turtlebandit said: KaitoKirishima said: We can't afford to pity people yet we can afford to lynch town roles? Makes sense??? Mafia can go for pity just as easily as a townie can :/ So just because you pity someone doesn't mean that they are really a townie Not saying that of course mafia will use pity to but i just don't like the idea of assuming every person who trys to appeal with pity and emotion is scum. |
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KaitoKirishima said: Jackrito said: I agree with this emotion is normally a cheap way to avoid a lynch and is a thing that annoys which sadly a lot of things do lately. Also what do you expect the point of this is to nitpick little things to catch people out and pressure them to see what they do. Sometimes it works other times it does not what else can we work off in the early game. Of course it works because if you get enough votes on someone there gonna cave in lol, but it's like some people don't know how to properly defend themselves or prove their innocent. This then leads to town members dieing. I wouldn't care as much if it wasn't for the fact that every other day we lose powerful town roles to pressure votes. What should we do instead of pressuring people? There is no other way. Sometimes we end up lynching town players, but even that can be helpful later on (when doing a vote count analysis). What exactly do you find town-like about what Grr posted? You said he posted interesting "facts", but that isn't true! (I explained why) |
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turtlebandit said: shap111 said: Morning peeps Good morning Shap~ Phase is almost over... What do you think? Was going to mention how the phase is going to end and all the votes are jumbled, yet no one is changing votes which i find amusing considering how people here are down for D1 lynches |
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coromandel said: KaitoKirishima said: Of course it works because if you get enough votes on someone there gonna cave in lol, but it's like some people don't know how to properly defend themselves or prove their innocent. This then leads to town members dieing. I wouldn't care as much if it wasn't for the fact that every other day we lose powerful town roles to pressure votes. What should we do instead of pressuring people? There is no other way. Sometimes we end up lynching town players, but even that can be helpful later on (when doing a vote count analysis). What exactly do you find town-like about what Grr posted? You said he posted interesting "facts", but that isn't true! (I explained why) Lol coro you always twists my words about. I never once said we shouldn't pressure people i just hate the fact that this method risks townies dieing. It can help of course but what if we lynch powerful roles like how Rumanshi(Vigilante) got lynched day 1 in Chaos Mafia. Nothing really it's just technically a theory that can help us role fish whats actually on the field. Interesting facts because based on what cards were disarded and the limited about of 3rd party roles there are its pretty easy to depict the chances of their actually being like 3 werewolfs. It's clearly only a theory but i don't see how it doesnt help a little. |
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shap111 said: turtlebandit said: Good morning Shap~ Phase is almost over... What do you think? Was going to mention how the phase is going to end and all the votes are jumbled, yet no one is changing votes which i find amusing considering how people here are down for D1 lynches It is rather amusing that no one has changed votes yet~ What isn't very amusing is the fact that we're currently lynching someone who is offline :/ |
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turtlebandit said: shap111 said: Was going to mention how the phase is going to end and all the votes are jumbled, yet no one is changing votes which i find amusing considering how people here are down for D1 lynches It is rather amusing that no one has changed votes yet~ What isn't very amusing is the fact that we're currently lynching someone who is offline :/ I've seen that happen quite a few times not sure why. If he flips town its a possilbilty that some of the people on his lynch train are scum/3rd party |
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| [center]Vote Count FINAL Byon-kun (1): grrr Zurel (2): turtlebandit, lupadim turtlebandit (1): KaitoKirishima Astros (1) Byon-kun Navizel (1): Controversy Crowlage (1): Astros grrr (4): Hime-sama, Navizel, coromandel, Rumanshi-xanic Jackrito (1): Crowlage Players not voting (8): Suzune-chan, shap111, Jackrito, FaZe_JOAOAA, Kakugo, julyan, Zurel, x_at_home Time until end of Day 1 |
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Night 1  Hitler Built Autobahns arguments are a subset of the Correlation Implies Causation fallacy. It is exemplified by the following formulation: Hitler built Autobahns (freeways). Hitler was evil. Therefore, building autobahns is evil. Although Hitler was undeniably evil, his building autobahns was neither caused by, nor the cause of, his evil. Hence, it is unreasonable to assume that building autobahns is evil, and, in fact, it is a policy which has been espoused by many different political groupings. Whilst pyschological and behavioural scumtells exist, a huge amount of things that players say and do as scum are not directly related to their alignment. An HBA argument in mafia would be along the lines of: 'You did X as scum in the last game I played with you, and you have done it here. Therefore, you are scum.' Unless an accusor is able to demonstrate that a player has a significant tendency to do something more frequently as scum than town, or that there is a particular incentive for scum to act in that manner, then the argument is logically dubious. A related example would be the common misconception that people who do not give reasons for their votes must not have reasons for their votes. Whilst someone who does not have a reason for their vote cannot give one, many players who have reasons choose not to give them. Not everyone who supports freeway construction is evil. Source grrr was lynched, he was: Kakugo is replaced by Lamby-Pyuru, effective immediately Time until end of Night 1 Night 1 begins, you have 24 hours to send me your night actions. |
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Kaito said: Lol coro you always twists my words about. What? o.0 Explain how I "twisted your words", please. Kaito said: I never once said we shouldn't pressure people i just hate the fact that this method risks townies dieing. It can help of course but what if we lynch powerful roles like how Rumanshi(Vigilante) got lynched day 1 in Chaos Mafia. Yeah, that happens sometimes. But so what? Since you don't seem to have a solution to this dilemma, let's just agree that pressuring is necessary. And sometimes townies die in the process. Kaito said: Interesting facts because based on what cards were disarded and the limited about of 3rd party roles there are its pretty easy to depict the chances of their actually being like 3 werewolfs. It's clearly only a theory but i don't see how it doesnt help a little. Wrong. >.< His "theory" is fallacious, because he used average numbers when he made his calculations. |
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| Welcome, Lamby! KaitoKirishima said: @ Coro I'll be back in 30-45 mins i'll answer your questions then. Looking forward to it. :3 |
| So Grrr=Alien=Hitler=Autobahn=Evil? |
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turtlebandit said: So Grrr=Alien=Hitler=Autobahn=Evil? Win Condition You win when all players without an Alien wincon are eliminated and at least one Alien-aligned player is still alive (or nothing can prevent the same). Guess so. |
| why is there a need to keep one alien alive? edit: nvm |
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shap111 said: why is there a need to keep one alien alive? edit: nvm If there wasn't any aliens left then how would the aliens meet their win condition? |
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Controversy said: Rekt. Shrekt |
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Controversy said: Mafia Goon is his discarded card. Was this just a statement or was their some reasoning behind it? |
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lupadim said: Those that discarded mafia cards should be somehow trusted imo. I agree. Because it's not possible to ditch one evil role for another. |
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lupadim said: Those that discarded mafia cards should be somehow trusted imo. *facepalm* |
turtlebandit said: Anyways, for what it's worth, I think Kaito is probably a townie~ There's no way he'd pick an anti-town role after his string of maf roles, right? That, and he has been questioning people at the start :/ Good point. He did discard a scum card, for one thing. Unless he was dealt with all scum cards, I think he would choose to play town. Kaito doesn't seem like he can maintain his cool under pressure. Controversy said: lupadim said: Those that discarded mafia cards should be somehow trusted imo. I agree. Because it's not possible to ditch one evil role for another. I assume that's sarcasm. |
coromandel said: Kaito said: Lol coro you always twists my words about. What? o.0 Explain how I "twisted your words", please. Kaito said: I never once said we shouldn't pressure people i just hate the fact that this method risks townies dieing. It can help of course but what if we lynch powerful roles like how Rumanshi(Vigilante) got lynched day 1 in Chaos Mafia. Yeah, that happens sometimes. But so what? Since you don't seem to have a solution to this dilemma, let's just agree that pressuring is necessary. And sometimes townies die in the process. Kaito said: Interesting facts because based on what cards were disarded and the limited about of 3rd party roles there are its pretty easy to depict the chances of their actually being like 3 werewolfs. It's clearly only a theory but i don't see how it doesnt help a little. Wrong. >.< His "theory" is fallacious, because he used average numbers when he made his calculations. @your first question the reason i say that is because; evertytime i say something along the lines Lynching this person for this said reason is dumb, you will be like so your against day 1 lynchess? Yet i never said that why? @2nd question: Yes your right i dont have another solution but still don't like the fact that the way we find in information risks townies lives. @3rd question Whats wrong with averages? |
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KaitoKirishima said: coromandel said: What? o.0 Explain how I "twisted your words", please. Yeah, that happens sometimes. But so what? Since you don't seem to have a solution to this dilemma, let's just agree that pressuring is necessary. And sometimes townies die in the process. Wrong. >.< His "theory" is fallacious, because he used average numbers when he made his calculations. @your first question the reason i say that is because; evertytime i say something along the lines Lynching this person for this said reason is dumb, you will be like so your against day 1 lynchess? Yet i never said that why? @2nd question: Yes your right i dont have another solution but still don't like the fact that the way we find in information risks townies lives. @3rd question Whats wrong with averages? Averages only work in a perfect world :/ With a game like this (the sheer number of possible roles) averages are unlikely to be what happens every time |
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turtlebandit said: Averages only work in a perfect world :/ With a game like this (the sheer number of possible roles) averages are unlikely to be what happens every time Ya but does that mean we should just disregard it like it can't happen because its still quite a possibility. |
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Kaito said: @your first question the reason i say that is because; evertytime i say something along the lines Lynching this person for this said reason is dumb, you will be like so your against day 1 lynchess? Yet i never said that why? We rarely agree with anything, I noticed that too. x3 Maybe you should read the last page again - I never accused you of being against D1 lynches. I suspected Grrr because his post didn't make much sense to me. For me, that was enough reason to lynch him, or at least pressure him. Then you disagreed with me, and I didn't really understand why. Kaito said: @2nd question: Yes your right i dont have another solution but still don't like the fact that the way we find in information risks townies lives. I don't like that either. KaitoKirishima said: @3rd question Whats wrong with averages? The only thing we know for sure is that there are 1-10 anti-town players. But that is all - we don't even know if there are 3, 5, 7, 8. So how could we possibly calculate the exact number of aliens/werewolves/mafia members? It doesn't work, and Grrr's posting wasn't very helpful because he disregarded all the other scenarios. He assumed there must be exactly 3 Werewolves, 3 Mafia players, when it would have been more realistic to say "0-3 Werewolves, 0-3 Mafia". (Even that could be wrong though) |
coromandel said: We rarely agree with anything, I noticed that too. x3 I noticed that alot XD, anyways maybe it's just me then cause whenever your quote me lol it just seems like your making it look like im implying something else. So sorry for accusing you of anything. coromandel said: The only thing we know for sure is that there are 1-10 anti-town players. But that is all - we don't even know if there are 3, 5, 7, 8. So how could we possibly calculate the exact number of aliens/werewolves/mafia members? It doesn't work, and Grrr's posting wasn't very helpful because he disregarded all the other scenarios. He assumed there must be exactly 3 Werewolves, 3 Mafia players, when it would have been more realistic to say "0-3 Werewolves, 0-3 Mafia". (Even that could be wrong though) I understand lol but like i'm saying isn't it possible that his theory could be correct? coromandel said: I don't like that either. Don't think anyone likes the idea of having to risk town lives. |
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Controversy said: In my case, I could only pick one evil role, so I discarded the only one I had.lupadim said: I agree. Because it's not possible to ditch one evil role for another.Those that discarded mafia cards should be somehow trusted imo. (It was also pretty powerful) |
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Navizel said: Don't really like having a night talk. ehh. Real men talk during night without the fear of getting killed |
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shap111 said: Navizel said: Don't really like having a night talk. ehh. Real men talk during night without the fear of getting killed You mean real MEN(lons) right hue hue? |
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KaitoKirishima said: shap111 said: Real men talk during night without the fear of getting killed You mean real MEN(lons) right hue hue? I don't get it |
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