Are there any local logical fallacy or misconceptions in the anime fandom?

Yeah... 'Old anime had better animation'. I hate that shit. Especially when they go as far as saying the the 80's had better animation than the present. Those peoples watched Akira, Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell, and decided that was the animation's standard in the 80's and 90's. I understood when peoples brought this notion, in the 2000's when digital animation was still a work in progress, but today... I don't know what those peoples smoke, but I don't want to try it.



The real misconception is that Shounen and Seinen are genres. They are not genres, they are demographics, target audiences, and generally something is Shounen if it's published in a Shounen magazine, and Seinen if it's published in a Seinen magazine. That's why, despite its mature themes and violence, manga like Chainsaw Man and Attack on Titan are Shounen... while Dress-Up Darling and Kaguya's Love War are Seinen, even though both could be published in Shounen Jump with no modification to the story or art - especially for the later. So something being Seinen will not necessarily be more mature or deep than a Shounen; it's not a genre in itself. Something being seinen is basically the magazine saying: 'Hey, you are a young adult... you may enjoy this, it's made for you.' But thematically, and writing-wise, a seinen story may not be any different from a shounen. As for the shounen itself, it's all about trends, and what's popular with the audience. There aren't really any major limitations, other than it should be fun enough for a younger audience. But not even that is set in stone. Death Note was quite serious, and we have to question the numerous raunchy ecchi harem romances in Jump, that supposedly addressed to an audience between the ages of 13-17. I think what we see in shouen in mainly influenced by the real age of it's audiences, so it may be an outdated term. But even then, the magazine is basically saying that in their magazine, there are going to be at least a couple of stuff that are made specifically for a younger audience.

Hmmm My only logical fallacy I can think of is some folks think you aren't allowed to be a "real" anime fan if You don't like Lolicon/Shotacon or Hentai because of the huge part they had in Otaku and anime History/Culture. Which to me is just as ridiculous as saying you have to love the Black/Yellow face in Early cinema to be a Movie fan.
I recognize it as a part of Anime history and fandom. Don't mean I need to personally like it.

@BubblegumPatty Did someone really demand this of you without irony?

There's this decently popular meme that actually shows a pretty common tendency among fandoms for Japanese media in general (not just anime, this applies to stuff like games, toku, etc.) of "Thing vs. Thing (but Japanese)" where it depicts someone being angry at the non-Japanese version but absolutely glazing the Japanese version of the same thing. When it comes to art this is especially a problem as it tends to lead to bad faith arguments from people who aren't willing to give Western media a shot or will unfairly criticize Western media and complain about things that they do, while actively praising Japanese media that literally does the exact same thing, oftentimes proceeding to use it as a bludgeon for some stupid culture war bs.

When it comes to misconceptions, a lot of people really are overly uncharitable and not willing to even try and understand the process of what goes into translating Japanese into English and overly bash the concept of localization without entirely understanding what it is and why it's an important step in the translation process. This excerpt from Legends of Localization Undertale written by professional translator Clyde Mandelin describes it as "preserving the creator’s intended meaning but with completely different words" since a more direct translation doesn't always carry the same meaning due to various cultural nuances. Mandelin states that "a lot can get lost in translation if you only focus on the words used. Recognizing and preserving the ideas behind those words is arguably more important". Things like slang, idioms, and speech patterns won't always sound natural or right if you just focus on translating word for word, which is why replacing them with more appropriate equivalents or rewriting things to mean ultimately the same thing but in a way that reads more naturally is the best course of action for translating works of fiction. I'd highly recommend reading Mandelin's blog Legends of Localization for more in depth research as it is a great resource to learn from a professional about the actual nuances of translating Japanese into English (and vice versa as well). If anyone is skeptical of Mandelin's reputability, here is a list from ANN of some of his professional work, although he is probably most well known for being the lead translator for the unofficial Mother 3 English translation patch which is widely considered to be one of the best fan translations for a video game ever made. You might actually learn something if you read his blog or his books compared to consuming slop that ragebait YouTubers and Twitter users churn out without even the slightest actual knowledge of the translation process or the Japanese langauge as a whole.

@LSSJ_Gaming like I said, we understand it fine, we don’t like it and don’t want it. It’s obvious why you would. This isn’t good, nobody wants it, and it makes it worse not improves it so there’s literally no point. You can keep your "jelly donuts" we want Onigiri










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@RobertBobert Not me specifically lmao XD Just random weirdos around the net, but I saw it enough times to bother me.
Mostly in the Vtuber fan scene, strangely enough.

@LSSJ_Gaming I agree with nothing you said. I watch Anime because I like Anime and the way Japanese tell a story. If I wanted to hear horrible American localization and cringe American slang then I’d just consume American animation.

Everyone understands what’s happening with that process, we just don’t want it.

@Rally- Yeah, I don’t get why people think pirates make their own fansubs. They just rip what’s already on the platform and upload it. I mean, why the hell would they bother making another sub if one’s already out there? Haha

@Piromysl I hate such people, some of them are even here.

Ironically despite claiming they are fighting against bigots, they are bigots themselves towards anyone who disagree no matter if its the author or fans. Anyone who are pushing their agenda -no matter what side they are- into the series are not Anime fans, they are here to harass people in the supposed name of representation. Later they cry about authoritarism when they are authoritarian themselves.

They did the same thing towards Sunrise with G Witch, some people say "Burn Sunrise" on social media since they never confirmed the same-sex marriage between the protagonists. It's pretty serious considering the KyoAni incident from 2019. The police should put such people on jail.

The annoyance mostly came due to it being canon (Eri litteraly calls Miorine sister in law) with the higher ups on sunrise who didn't work on the show denied it but yes the reaction is way too much
Many people who worked on the show treat it as canon, the show treats it as canon, why the hell do you care for what some old people who might even not watched the show say? And why threaten people over a show? It's messed up

That manga readers is superior than anime onlies. It's not a competition, why bother to bring such a petty argument.