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| And ended with the cyberpunk simulation concept. But was interesting this thought of keep people working in the real world to keep the civilization advancing, while living in a idealized life in a simulation. An utopia in my opinion. Not everyone can be like Major Kusanagi. This had a great closure. That said, I think wont have a continuation. |
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| Mm it was better than the first season in terms of plot but WAY worse in terms of visuals. Having said that, it still ranks pretty low amongst GITS media. It miiiight beat out ARISE OVA 2 but not ARISE as a whole. The pay-off doublethink stuff just didn't land for me after the great build up with the gas and nukes so that was pretty disappointing and my god what an awful reference to the code word conversation from the original... It didn't even make sense. Just bad. Purin was surprisingly better this season, especially after her death. Cloning her was super fucked up tho and I don't think that was in line with Motoko's character... very weird. But yeah, Purin was less annoying. There was something up with Stan's face... they like, changed models or something between seasons and he looks weird. Not too bad overall. I might consider rewatching it and I'll check out the compilation movie when that drops. |
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Salty-GB said: Mm it was better than the first season in terms of plot but WAY worse in terms of visuals. Having said that, it still ranks pretty low amongst GITS media. It miiiight beat out ARISE OVA 2 but not ARISE as a whole. The pay-off doublethink stuff just didn't land for me after the great build up with the gas and nukes so that was pretty disappointing and my god what an awful reference to the code word conversation from the original... It didn't even make sense. Just bad. Purin was surprisingly better this season, especially after her death. Cloning her was super fucked up tho and I don't think that was in line with Motoko's character... very weird. But yeah, Purin was less annoying. There was something up with Stan's face... they like, changed models or something between seasons and he looks weird. Not too bad overall. I might consider rewatching it and I'll check out the compilation movie when that drops. Thank god, for a second there I thought I was the only one who thought the conclusion to be utterly baffling, especially considering SAC's reputation for grounded sci-fi. |
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| Wow, The Matrix done ri...I mean done on entirely different level of stupidity. Yeah and they have recycled several older ideas from GIST which was boring. For all the people who hated Arise (I kind of liked it) - this one here is definitely worst. There is some good in this season tho: I liked the 3D environments, the mechanical designs, the [pseudo] cinematics (shot compositions, camera angles/movement ect.) and some of the action. I bet the same team would do something better in the universe of Appleseed. |
alshuJun 17, 2022 1:12 AM
alshu said: Wow, The Matrix done ri...I mean done on entirely different level of stupidity. Yeah and they have recycled several older ideas from GIST which was boring. For all the people who hated Arise (I kind of liked it) - this one here is definitely worst. There is some good in this season thou: I liked the 3D environments, the [pseudo] cinematics (shot compositions, camera angles/movement ect.) and some of the action. I bet the same team would do something better in the universe of Appleseed. The environments...? Without a doubt the weakest point in the CGI? Why...? |
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1. The weakest point were the character designs: way too simple, hair looking plastic, even on several occasions Batou's head looking disproportional to his body... 2. Personally I liked the locations (better job here in comparison to the previous season). Hate those if you will but I disagree...and yeah, the snow (the actual one and the "gaz") looked stupid. |
alshu said: 1. The weakest point were the character designs: way too simple, hair looking plastic, even on several occasions Batou's head looking disproportional to his body... 2. Personally I liked the locations (better job here in comparison to the previous season). Hate those if you will but I disagree...and yeah, the snow (the actual one and the "gaz") looked stupid. Say what you want about the character models but they at least used the correct sized texture mapping and had some baked in clothing folds (except for the Android on the sub who had a REALLY badly stretched out texture for the segregation lines on her body). The environments were all flat surfaces with a horribly stretched out texture. The long grass was especially egregious, just being a 2D image meant to face the camera at all times. |
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I did exactly that. Salty-GB said: The environments were all flat surfaces O RLY? Salty-GB said: The long grass There was grass? I even forgot those scenes...they weren't that important, aren't they? |
| Man, this really did end up like Ghost in the Shell. Definitely not easy to pick up immediately and requires a bit of time on different forums to understand bits and pieces. Anyways, from what I managed to gather, it seems like N was some sort of an attempt by Takashi to negate the Smart Gas by the American military. Major choosing to possibly not plug out the cables indicates that everyone is kind of still in some kind of simulation and she’s fine with it, I guess. Don’t think I fully understand why Purin is another anomaly, all that about not having a ghost or whatnot. All in all, I feel like I’ve a rough idea of what happened in the end there. But, it’s got to be said, the conclusion didn’t live up to the expectations that it was building up to, imo. So, on that note, I’ll stick with a 6/10 for this 2nd season. It was certainly entertaining, more so than the first season, and I really liked the Op and ED themes too. |
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_MushiRock11_ said: Don’t think I fully understand why Purin is another anomaly, all that about not having a ghost or whatnot. That's one thing I did get. She died and they couldn't save the brain in time, so has no soul ie ghost and is really just an AI made from the memories of Prin in a manufactured body. So basically the same as the Major except the Major's real brain is in her body ie the Ghost in the Shell! |
D1tchd1gger said: That's one thing I did get. She died and they couldn't save the brain in time, so has no soul ie ghost and is really just an AI made from the memories of Prin in a manufactured body. So basically the same as the Major except the Major's real brain is in her body ie the Ghost in the Shell! Oh, I see, that makes sense. But how does that allow her to remember the past though? @D1tchd1gger Agreed. I usually just convince myself that it makes sense but when it plays such a central role in the core of the show, that's when the problem arises. |
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| I won't bother making a whole review for season 2 like I did season 1, but I would say that the ending kind of ruined it for me. Not that everything before that was good, but the ending really just threw any future potential sequel of the Stand Alone Complex series out the window. I feel like the antagonists this season were pretty weak and the protagonists themselves were weaker than in the previous SAC iterations. Honestly, I could nitpick about the post human implausible and inconsistent superhero abilities all day, but even without that, those characters had no depth. And while Purin had a much bigger role, for better and worse, a lot of other characters, including the major, were sidelined for way longer than necessary. That aside, I think the biggest flaw of this season is that there weren't any stand alone episodes. It was just complex arc episodes. Why even call it Stand Alone Complex without any stand alone episodes? Haha. There were some in the first season of 2045, but this second season had none. They dropped the ball there. Unforgivable. On a more serious note, I think this season was too convoluted for its own good, but at least it didn't try playing it safe. I still think this is the weakest iteration of the Ghost in the Shell franchise, but it's still more enjoyable and interesting than the majority of what comes out, despite the CGI. Oh, and there were a couple of insert tracks throughout this season which really got me pumped, including a song from Scott Matthew called Don't Break Me Down in episode 5 (it was the ED for that episode as well). He previously performed an ED in the original series called Lithium Flower, which is fantastic, along with some other insert songs. I will definitely check out those few insert songs when the soundtrack releases in June. I really hope that there will be more GITS SAC to come later down the road, and if it ever happens, they should bring back Yoko Kanno and the animation team behind the earlier seasons. |
anime-primeMay 25, 2022 12:39 PM
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_MushiRock11_ said: D1tchd1gger said: That's one thing I did get. She died and they couldn't save the brain in time, so has no soul ie ghost and is really just an AI made from the memories of Prin in a manufactured body. So basically the same as the Major except the Major's real brain is in her body ie the Ghost in the Shell! Oh, I see, that makes sense. But how does that allow her to remember the past though? The Tachikomas pieced it together from information on the net. The rest is just sci-fi handwaving "hey it's the future, so we can do this and it'll just work". Sometimes shows do something like that and if the world building is good enough you can buy it like most stuff in GitS. Other times shows try it and it just doesn't work or make any sense. |
| I do not remember exactly, but didn't Madara try to do the same? xD |
| I wouldn't mind living in a perfect fantasy world considering how crappy real world is. But that's just on an individual level. I doubt this is the way humanity as a whole should go. Even though season 1 was on a weaker side, I was still happy to return to SAC universe and its charactes. But this season was a disappointment. I didn't like where they story ended up going. And I don't think it's realistic how fast Tachikomas and Purin agreed to Shimamura's plan. Or even Major. Would she be on board leaving everyone in a dream state when they never got the chance to agree to it? Also, Purin turning into a main character is pissing me off. And to make it worse, Stan is also a member of Section 9 now. Tachikomas were good for providing moments of levity. There was no need to add a stupid comic relief character to the cast. If this is the end of SAC universe, it sucks. |
Tanya852May 26, 2022 2:29 PM
AnimeEmperor said: why did that schoolgirl posthuman save togusa then try to kill aramaki Great question, tho I don't think she was posthuman. She died so like... she's a ghost maybe? |
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| Personally, I enjoyed the majority of this season way more than the first, and I appreciated the level of character depth, especially Purin. However, I do feel like it had some twists and turns that didn’t match its clever pacing, and the ending does feel oddly convoluted for how well it was building up to it. I didn’t even fully grasp Purin’s character turn at the end either, even though I enjoyed how well her character progressed in the lead up to the finale. Also, while I thought it was a visually stunning, and conceptually awesome sequence, I didn’t quite like how Major had to ‘leave’ again at the end. It feels like they just make her do that at this point, just because it’s a dramatic thing she does. It just doesn’t feel earned or justified, probably because we have no real insight into why she decided to do it at that point. Ah well. Enjoyable season, but with some odd choices that soured what was otherwise a tense ride throughout. |
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| I liked it (this second season) a lot. It was a significant improvement over season 1 in every category to judge a show by. And, as a whole I appreciate it way more than I do Arise. Arise had significantly better animation, but in terms of storytelling and performance it was so sterile. It lacked emotion and excitement the majority of the time. While it was still pretty damn good for the most part, it was also a letdown from previous GiTS shows. SAC_2045 felt like a return to form in terms of excitement and energy. Also, a few of those stories were really convoluted and difficult to follow. I hope should they create a new GiTS show in the future they avoid doing this CG shit again. It's ugly and it really drags down the performances. I'm supposed to feel sad when Batou takes care of Purin after she's left alone following the murder of her family, or sad when Purin dies and the team agonizes over her death, and yet I felt nothing because the CG couldn't properly convey the emotions given by the performances of the voice actors. There's a big disconnect there. The models like like a children's cartoon. Whoever came up with the idea to go with CG this time around should fuck off. Other than the CG, my main gripes with this season were the pacing and character utilization. The pacing was really weird. I can't make a direct comparison because we got 24 episodes episodes this time around compared to the 26 of both SAC and 2nd gig, but I'm sure that by episode 24 of both those other seasons I felt I had gotten way more story compared to 2045. Things didn't really kick into gear this season until maybe episode 9, or somewhere around there? So episode 21 of 24 of 2045 as a whole? They kept the post-humans' objective under wraps for way too long. And it's crazier when you consider that SAC and 2nd gig had many stand-alone episodes. Maybe that's part of the issue? Would the story have been tighter if they had used some stand alone stuff in addition to the complex/main story? I don't even know why it's called SAC and yet it doesn't use the SAC format. It would probably also help alleviate my second issue of how longtime characters were underutilized. I was really disappointed by how little of Paz, Saito, and Boma we got this season. Even Major feels like she went missing for most of the show which is nuts. They introduced two new characters so I guess it sorta makes sense that the others would lose some screen time, but it was too drastic. I'm not a Clown or Purin hater, but it felt like there was too much of them especially Purin. |
poemofdevilJun 12, 2022 3:28 AM
| worst garbage ever made, it's an insult to ghost in the shell and to shirow, the story was total crap |
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| Liked this season more than previous season, but last 2 episodes and the final ending kinda lost me. |
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| This series makes most modern anime look like cheese in a microwave at an old fishery. Best thing I've probably watched for action/sci-fi in any medium in years. They sure don't make 'em like they used to. |
Kenshiro3 said: Just finished Ghost in the Shell: SAC_2045. That was an incredible ending to the Stand Alone Complex universe! Without getting into spoilers, Anyone who has read William Gibson’s Sprawl Trilogy (ESP Mona Lisa Overdrive) will really appreciate the ending. When I realized what was going on, all the pieces fit in place and it blew my mind. Well played. Also did anyone else catch on to the fact that Motoko was the only human being left out of the new Double Think Utopia, basically trapped on the outside looking in. This is a good comment. I need to read more Gibson. |
| who's to say whether she pulled the plug or not. That is an obvious up for debate topic. I honestly am not to sure on that but one thing i do know is this season was alot better than the previous but it still was not to perfect and the final moments, the ending for me i felt like i hated it but at the same time quite like it. I mean all the build up and the action coming and then all sudden out of no where it takes a halt and sweeps the rug right under your feet and gives you an unexpected conclusion which left me feeling odd but at same time i felt it was kinda of a genius and clever way with the whole double think and all. |
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| What a waste of time. Holy shit, just bury the franchise already it has been dead for way too long now. Shitty story, dialogues, character writing, and audiovisuals = nu-GitS 3/10 |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| So they went with everyone living in their dream world their "real" bodies with the help of the AI code continue on advancing technology etc. Interesting ending and idea but it's done so much better by other media. The lack of interesting antagonists didn't help either nor did the CGI used. - The Major and everyone else looking like dolls etc. That said, it had some decent scenes and episode 5 had that original GITS vibe. Also I guess it's up to the viewer to decide whether the Major pulled the plug or not, does it even matter if we perceive it to be true and real to ourselves? Or even crazier, maybe the Major has been living in her dream world the entire time. 7/10 for the series, I enjoyed my time watching it but I feel it just lacked in some aspects. |
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| Honestly this season felt really lacking in all the departments, which is a huge shame as the world of this franchise has so much more potential than what we're getting to see here. I honestly hope to someday see a normal animated series of film again rather than this very weak shaded 3DCGI style they went with for these series (honestly Astral Chain on the Nintendo Switch looks better) and it's not that the studio behind these don't have the resources to make it look actually good. Even though I really found the ending quite interesting and providing once more so many more routes to go from here with such a wide range of this open ending, but if I'm completely honest here then there's a lot of wasted potential with each additional season if you ask me. As a prior 3D artist myself the detail or in this case lack there of makes it in my personal opinion a lot weaker than it actually could be if they opted for a better and more widely accepted 3DCGI method instead. What started as a legendary grade movie to see it reduced to this is a true shame in my honest opinion. |
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| In terms of production this was amazing, the music, cgi, action, camera angles and details were superb. Story was super weak in comparison to other GitS stories. BUT feels like to me that american politics have also invaded anime, this show felt like they where forcing diversity with female representation in the team (Purin) that did not make sense and the black guy (Clown). Possibly who ever funded this said to the production team that this was gonna appear in Netlix hence to make it more diverse as a requirement, cause they ended the show with these new 2 members that nobody wanted in the first place and I'm honestly not interested in seeing them again if they make another sequel. Those 2 characters made the show hard to watch, Clown was added for humor and it felt forced and cringe, Purin was too colorish pink and very antagonist to what SAC and GitS represents, she looks like a loli girl. If it was animation instead of cgi she would have look out of place like she did in this show. probably a 6 out of 10, was gonna give it a higher score but the story in those 2 last episodes was awful, what saved it was episode 5 which was amazing. |
| Human evolution just!!! kekeke irregular season, of more to less!!! 5/10 |
| Very disappointing. The cliffhanger at the end of S1 had me waiting. |
| Really had the feels going on a trip these last two episodes. A little confusing ending where I had to watch it a few times to grasp what was happening. I do think that Major wouldn’t have wanted a “fake” life that is tailored to each individual but rather a one true world that is affected by each individuals’ actions. It was nice to see that Batou could tell that something is really off. Overall, LOVED it. Giving this season 2 a 9/10. The action, the graphics, the setting, just the vibes of it. I loved it all. And it also helps that I was looking for this kind of action type anime coming from other genres. I know many people have gripe towards the CGI but I loved it. It brings something different to the scene especially when almost all other anime aren’t CGI. It’s a nice mix and I think it truly stands out during action scenes. Some of those Major’s battles were just soooo damn good. CGI does lack when showing emotion but it’s okay, nothing be perfect. I hope this isn’t the end of the series and that they continue to make more in the future. It kind of sucks that these two seasons got such low ratings mainly due to CGI so it’ll for sure affect the plans they make in the future. Stand out for me was as always, Major. Her character design, her clothing and just overall vibe, hot damn. They had episodes where you’d barely see her and that sucked but it was good character development for others. I’ll take the ending and start finishing the Arise movies till they release more GITS. |
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| After finishing this I don't understand the hate this series receives, really. The CGI is one of the best CGI in anime I've seen, I enjoyed it and I consider myself a CGI hater in general. Some people complain about the lack of stand alone episodes but it's a good change from the previous seasons IMO, having a continuous story like that. Also cool to see the creators add some modern tech like drones, 3D printers and (in the 1st season) insect drones (a tribute to Gits 1.5 manga probably). It's good that a talented CGI creator like Shinji Aramaki teamed up with good direstors, storyboarders and scriptwriters from the OG show. Interesting thing to note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-po_generation So I guess in the end Motoko didn't pull the plug and they're living in a technological singularity (year 2045) while most people have a simulated reality in their minds? Not sure how I feel about yet another reference to the OG ending and 'the net is vast' but oh well, it sounded cool. It's not like they'll make another sequel after making such an ending AGAIN. That would be strange. |
Kenshiro3 said: checked the synopsis of the plot in wiki and don't see how it inspired the plotline of 2045, what am I missing?Just finished Ghost in the Shell: SAC_2045. That was an incredible ending to the Stand Alone Complex universe! Without getting into spoilers, Anyone who has read William Gibson’s Sprawl Trilogy (ESP Mona Lisa Overdrive) will really appreciate the ending. When I realized what was going on, all the pieces fit in place and it blew my mind. Well played. |
| I think the first season is better than this, the story had some conveniences and I didn't like this villain who looks like the lead singer of a screamo band. :v At least I got to see Purin naked. ╮(. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)╭ |
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| So 2045 is the stable Matrix the Major refused because dodging bullets isn't romantic enough? 6/10 - Guess we'll see her in another iteration. |
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man. I guess I never good and will never be good at understand about science anime.
why all science anime is so hard to understand. Evangelion I barely understand the story.
Ghost in the Shell too. what else science anime that I had watched.
why all science anime is so hard to understand. Evangelion I barely understand the story.
Ghost in the Shell too. what else science anime that I had watched.
| @KinjiKido Science anime? You mean Science fiction? Science fiction explores potential futures and tries to follow known science like Star Trek aka "hard sci-fi" or go more fantastical like Star Wars aka "science fantasy" with magical powers like the Force, which technically could be explained by a simulation, but are there to just be cool. Evangelion appears to be a simple giant robot show but is actually about feelings in a hostile alien world. Ghost in the Shell appears to be another RoboCop (which is an excellent satirical action drama), but adds more religious symbolism, political drama, literature references, and mystery for pseudo depth similar to Star Trek's technobabble, falling back on action as entertainment instead of solving the problem of the week. Steins;Gate is another mystery anime with a sci-fi veneer. Akira is cyberpunk but also has psychic powers and a vague ending. I think Ghost in the Shell (1995) is a simple enough scifi anime to enjoy, but serious scifi like the Matrix that are super deep yet accessible are rare. Some science fantasy anime i've enjoyed in the past are Bionic Six, Dommel, Galaxy Rangers, Samurai Pizza Cats, Roujin Z, and Dominion Tank Police. Battle Angel Alita is great scifi as well, but the second manga series goes more into philosophy than action so i can't recommend that. So try the Animatrix and Gunnm animes. For the animes you don't understand or are too bored to follow, reading the plot summaries and inspirational material helps. This GitS series was heavily inspired by the Matrix movies for example, and the first Matrix movie (1999) was inspired by Ghost in the Shell (1995). Aside from the dream of a hibernating being, it also seems to allude to the universe being a projection of the information on the surface of an event horizon. *browses related shows on Netflix* Cyberpunk Netrunners is a great scifi anime that's more complete than Alita. If you're more into politics than cyberpunk, Gundam has a lot of that. Macross replaces that with music i think, but i haven't really watched either of those so wouldn't know. Appleseed was even more of a downer last i watched that, but maybe Alpha is better. |
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