When does a show "become political"?

People call it political when it becomes obvious to them. That's why - as you can see in the comments - they think it's subjective, because it's based on their perception.

In reality, yes, it's always political. Many people mentioned the "it proposes a solution" argument, which is obviously bad, because there are political pieces where the main reason is to highlight an issue without proposing a solution and inspire people to start talking about it.

It's funny that, according to this argument, Das Kapital isn't a political book.

@thewiru
retardo, the book itself is a critique to capitalism and all the aspects it pertains and advocates for a system completely opposite. how is it not ?

Original question:
when it stops being organic on the content messaging, and also the nature of the message.

Funny how I started not giving a shit about politics the same moment I stopped following any news media like newspapers, TV news, etc. years and years ago. And my life improved by over 8000 (fuck the memes and fuck the terrible english locali$ations of DBZ, while I'm it). The only time I genuinely smirked recently for a comment somehow political was when I watched Hokuto No Ken and there's a goon that Kenshirou beats who spouts something about the majority rule being forced with the use of the strenght, and nothing else. I recommend to anyone to follow my same path and go away from the circus of organized media, you won't regret it.

@ProudElitist How is that funny? It's inline with the researches. You know, ignorance is a bliss.
But it's also true that you will have significantly worse quality of life. That's why it is bad idea to follow it. If you are not following the politics, then they will ignore you, take advantage of you, which leads to worse quality of life all in all.

@ktg following politics is following stuff we have no control whatsoever to begin with and that we don't influence in any way whatsoever because our so much lauded democracies are in the hands of people outside our reach that don't care one bit about us, at least in this point of history. Fighting over issues those in real power don't care one bit is pointless. And I didn't mean to be funny, I was damn serious. If I, that I have a (completely and utterly useless) major degree in political science focused about stuff we normal citizens never had any control whatsoever to begin with (the european union) according to the same people who made me spend money on this degree for nothing, tells you so, you can trust me. I was also active years ago as a strong supporter of a non-political group with political influence and political links (I was active as a way to spend my NEET time doing something, there's no work whatsoever in Italy) and, after that useless in all regards experience ended (what a giant waste of time that was!), I also started going around with a group linked with a political party in my area after a general election, political party of which I couldn't care less anymore as of now. Result? the lawmakers and politicians don't care about me, my family, nothing. Just the big corporate groups, like Maestro Toshiki Inoue said in Kamen Rider Faiz, Changerion, Cutie Honey the live and Death Note. Hence, why bother do begin with, particularly about useless media blabbing created by these same corporate groups just to make us stupid and subservient, fighting like retards over nothing to make us even stupider and more subservient? there's literally no point in doing it.

@ProudElitist Even if I accept your first statement about having no control over it, which I don't, it would still be a different case than voting against your own interest.
If people follow politics, then the political parties need to make at least somewhat beneficial decisions to the majority. While if you completely ignore these topics, then they just need to lie about what they are doing. If you don't believe me, look at Hungary. People don't follow politics, so the government's campaigns are like "the EU and the opposition want war, but we don't, so vote for us" and the government just keeps stealing money, because people actually believe this.

You need follow politics, so you won't be tricked into going against your own interest. And this isn't only about politics. For example, you need to be up-to-date with technologies. If you didn't know that AI could generate realistic videos, then you would have believed our government's new campaign, where they shared an AI generated video about Ukrainian soldiers beating up a Hungarian person.

Yeah buuut...the first volume of Das Kapital was usually distributed along with Das Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei, which is in fact a political book.
Marx writing Das Kapital has a very clear political goal - eventually providing solutions against the flows of capitalism.

I don't see Hideaki Anno organizing a party and trying to change the foundation of the japanese society, whatever miserable experiences he had as a teenager.

@ktg when following newslets, you're not following news. You're following stupid babbling put in circle by the Corporate $uit$ who control democracies, exactly like in Death Note a corporation tried to hire Kira to kill people for them, in Cutie Honey The Live the Panther Claw clan was made by multiple Yazuka-styled group fighting against Cutie and in Kamen Rider Faiz the main bad guys - the Orphnocs Academy - were corporate $uit$ against which the titular KM fought. These are the people who control media outlets, the same ones spreading pointless political babbling with no relevance whatsoever to speak of and which only aim to is to distract you, to make you controllable, to make you stupid. ALL the parties respond equally to these corporates, with no exception whatsoever. Hence, there's no point in wasting time raving about useless fluff, particularly of the political kind. As a side note, unfortunately I am not as hopeful as Inoue due to the insane amount of hell he suffered due to his hacky father and I don't expect any Takumi Inui, Suzumura Akira or Cutie Honey to save me soon because the mafia of Cutie Honey The live is completely out of my or other people's reach, so I just don't give a fuck. The ONLY kind of news I might be interested is the one of stuff I'm interested in (animes, metal music, etc., provided also this one a lot of times is spread purposedly by someone behind it) but nothing coming out from the major news media outlets. And you live far better in this way.

@ProudElitist That's still irrelevant and secondly in most country it's even illegal. Even in the US history you can find time frames when it was illegal and they couldn't influence the politicians as mush and as easily.
As for the media, the media refers to sources, people should follow the sources and not the media's interpretation. That's what I do.

@ProudElitist That's still irrelevant and secondly in most country it's even illegal. Even in the US history you can find time frames when it was illegal and they couldn't influence the politicians as mush and as easily.
As for the media, the media refers to sources, people should follow the sources and not the media's interpretation. That's what I do.

@ktg the media are under control of the same people who control democracies, the mafias in Cutie Honey The Live. Legal or not legal whatever, that's how things go. We live in an oligarchy not different from the likes of the russian one, with the only difference that we like to think that our "free elections" or "popular referendums" matter. They don't, except when they give me pay for them (I usually do the scrutineer as a way to get money since I have no job and I have not found one in more than twelve years). Feel free to think otherwise, that's what me, as a person with a degree in political science (magna cum lauda, for how worthless it is) and some kind of political-related experience, does.

@ProudElitist How do you decide which fairy tale describes our world? Because it's pretty clear that that's not how western countries work, so you could have chosen a nicer tale or more interesting one. For example, why don't you say that we live in the same world as Shingeki no Kyojin's world?
No, the world isn't as simple as in fictional worlds. And the western world is significantly different than what the Russians are doing.


That's 100% on you. You had 13 years, you could have finished like 3-4 other curriculums that could have helped you find a job.
If you are okay with doing nothing for 13 years, then a politician won't be able to help you, because the issue is your mentality and not the job market conditions in that specific country.

@ktg yes politicians are there to help me. Precisely when I go to PUBLIC EVENTS DEDICATED TO PERMIT TO PEOPLE TO FIND A JOB and the same exact politicians who organize it tell you that THEY DON'T CARE IF YOU FIND A JOB OR NOT it's their problem. Moreso because theorically I vote them to make my life better and solve my problems, amongst which the need of a job, but they don't care because the rich oligarchs who run democracies want me to be poor for their own profit while also making me stupid and subservient with the media newslet you so much care about. Also, when the entire public structure that should support you in finding a job tells you that they don't care, it's a politicians' problem, not mine. And who tells you I didn't finish other curriculums? you know me? I did, it served a split zero. And the politicians were the ones handling the money to the people that run the place where I finished the other curriculums. BTW, funny how a person younger than me who was a monozigote in his father's balls while I was 14-15 years old at the time and who lives in a de facto dictatorship like Hungary tries to enlighten me how the world is run and how the western world/democracies are the epytome of best practices and no interference whatsover by corrupted oligarchic corporates a là Panther Claw/Yotsuba Group over the public sphere, at this point in history their own plaything and nothing more than that. Are you serious? you literally have one of those as your own elected leader. Orban is of the same spieces of the oligarchs in the west he claims to be against (otherwise he wouldn't have served as the president of the oligarchic by nature European Union, and I AM the expert on the matter with a degree on it, not you), that doesn't make the oligarchs in the west who run our "beautiful" and "free" of my aRse democracies less oligarchs and less corrupted. The difference is simply that he doesn't particularly try to hide the truth, while the other western leaders like to spout complete nonsense on how they're better when they aren't, they're 100% like him. End of the OP, I'm sorry for everyone if I went out of what this thread is about. Moderators feel free to cancel my comments, I will understand.

@alshu
I know, I was just criticizing the argument of "It's political when it proposes solutions".

@ProudElitist Politicians are there to help people on a systematic level. If you alone don't have a job, it's not a politician's job to get you a job. If you as a community don't have jobs, then it's a politician's job. That's a huge difference. Politicians should solve systematic problem, currently you have individualistic problem and that's not their job.
Politicians are not politicians to solve YOUR - as a single individual - problems, but everyone's problems.

Btw, it's pretty funny how your original argument was that the whole western world is a dictatorship and now you are talking about Hungary as a worse place than the other western countries. So, you managed to contradict your original take. :D
As for my age, does it matter? According to you, you were unemployed in the last 13 years and that's almost our age difference, at least based on your comment. The difference is that I started working even before I finished my uni and I'm working since then.
So, yes, I'm pretty sure I can "enlighten" you - if this is the word you want to use. Because no, in my country the "evil" corporates have no power here and that's why I know what you think of other countries is not true. You didn't even know that our politicians steal from these "evil" corporates as well.

It becomes political when taking a stance on political themes.
There's really no issue with integrating political themes themselves. That's just reality. The issue arises when making a judgement call for or against anything.

You can have characters take a stance. Just like you can have characters be murderers or whatever. As long as the work itself doesn't take a stance it's just a story.


For example, in the early 2000s anime GitS: Stand Alone Complex there's a whole bunch of political issues. One of them is a refugee crisis. But the work itself doesn't take any stance on the issue. It's just something that happens.

Compare that with many modern isekai shows where the protagonist ends up in a world where slavery exists. Not only the protagonist, but the entire work will nearly always take a harsh stance against slavery. It's not just something that happens. The work will make it very clear that this is wrong. And that's when it gets political.


Even when it's something like slavery, getting political just feels preachy.