| A lot of my threads here talk about anime as something "different", "unique", "special". They talk about the historical, material and ideological reasons behind it turning out like so. They talk about it's almost inherent weirdness, it's origins from counter-culture and pornography, it's two-way relationship with it's equally as weird fanbase, and the condition of being "an anime fan" as being a misfit, which causes anime to connect even more to them. Some recent experiences I had, though, made me realize that, for some people, anime is just... animation. And not as in "The person doesn't care about the fandom/culture part much, but it's gung-ho about it's story and traditions as an animated artform", but rather as "Just more animation, no different from the one of any other country, replaceable by any other form of media". I kid you not when I say that anime and otaku culture fill the place in me that things like politics or nationalism fill in others. Is this unhealthy? |
| For me, anime is a way to watch sexualized images and videos of cute anime girls, doing naughty things. Nothing suspicious about that...... |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
| It's realistic, because anime is more than just animation. |
| Anime is far more than just animation. It is the greatest thing in this universe!  |
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Anime is far more than just animation.
It is the greatest thing in this universe!
It is the greatest thing in this universe!
| @MYZIC do you like the naked anime girls? Do you wish those girls were real? |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
| A couple experiences made me write this thread: I did go on a Discord call with people I found out on AMQ yesterday, it was fun! It made me remember that a large part of the appeal of anime to me is being able to connect with similar people. Both an argument I had with valico here (Some of their later answers made me start thinking that he was trolling, though) and some tweets responding to a shitty Brazillian video made me realize that a lot of people don't have this sort of deep connection with anime to the point of making it an ideology, but rather use it just as a "temporary tool". This thread of mine becomes truer everyday Is "being an otaku" more about the mentality, watching a lot of anime rather coming as a consequence of that? This tweet. Finally, starting to watch Teizokurei Daydream reminded me that the "weirdness" or older anime, things in it that would never be made in the west, is what always attracted me. |
| Anime is more detailed than other animation. In terms of visual details. But it is not anymore special than other animation. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
| Well such things as plot, music, voice acting exists and there are more stuff inside an anime. [Anime isn't an exception, other stuff also have it. Mainly it depends on execution which many people making games and movies/tv shows have forgotten about.] |
| what exactly brought you to this idea that being into anime and otaku culture is "unhealthy"? I'm a musician. for me, music is an essential part of my life. for most people, music is just something that runs in the background on the radio. yet, no sane person would ever come to the conclusion that being into music is somehow "unhealthy". |
krautnelson5 hours ago
| Anime looks more "realistic" than other forms of animation. But anime is still just animation. It isn't real. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
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thewiru said:
Both an argument I had with valico here (Some of their later answers made me start thinking that he was trolling, though)
Both an argument I had with valico here (Some of their later answers made me start thinking that he was trolling, though)
I wasn't trolling. I genuinely think anime should be viewed as an artistic framework developed in Japan, nothing more.
I do think forming an identity around anime is... fine. Not advisable probably, but not inherently problematic. However, if you couple that with the idea that the essential part of what makes anime special/unique compared to other animation is that it comes from Japan, you are bound to fall into weaboo territory - as in you think Japan is the superior culture to all others, particularly your own. This is definitely unhealthy, especially since it is based on a false premise.
valico said: you think Japan is the superior culture to all others, particularly your own. This is definitely unhealthy, especially since it is based on a false premise. Japan is a very good country with a very good culture so it is not based on a false premise. It is much better than most places so there is nothing wrong with saying Japan is the superior culture. Japan forever. Glory to Japan. I pledge my allegiance to the great nation of Japan. |
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| I absolutely love my anime waifus. Like Hatsune Miku and Kagamine Rin. I especially like how realistically these anime girls are drawn. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
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thewiru said:
Both an argument I had with valico here (Some of their later answers made me start thinking that he was trolling, though)
Both an argument I had with valico here (Some of their later answers made me start thinking that he was trolling, though)
I wasn't trolling. I genuinely think anime should be viewed as an artistic framework developed in Japan, nothing more.
I do think forming an identity around anime is... fine. Not advisable probably, but not inherently problematic. However, if you couple that with the idea that the essential part of what makes anime special/unique compared to other animation is that it comes from Japan, you are bound to fall into weaboo territory - as in you think Japan is the superior culture to all others, particularly your own. This is definitely unhealthy, especially since it is based on a false premise.
valico said: I wasn't trolling. I genuinely think anime should be viewed as an artistic framework developed in Japan, nothing more. You literally told me that anime that "doesn't look like anime" shouldn't be counted or be here. It's hard to not take such phrase as ragebaiting, you know? valico said: particularly your own Considering I'm from Brazil, this isn't particularly difficult. valico said: However, if you couple that with the idea that the essential part of what makes anime special/unique compared to other animation is that it comes from Japan Yet, it came from Japan, not any other country. And for decades and decades, was a Japan only thing, no other country "arriving at the same conclusion independently". Why do you think that was that? |
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what exactly brought you to this idea that being into anime and otaku culture is "unhealthy"?
I'm a musician. for me, music is an essential part of my life. for most people, music is just something that runs in the background on the radio. yet, no sane person would ever come to the conclusion that being into music is somehow "unhealthy".
I'm a musician. for me, music is an essential part of my life. for most people, music is just something that runs in the background on the radio. yet, no sane person would ever come to the conclusion that being into music is somehow "unhealthy".
krautnelson said: what exactly brought you to this idea that being into anime and otaku culture is "unhealthy"? The fact that some people don't treat it like I do made me think they probably see an issue with my ways. I wanted to know why they think so. |
| I think people who practically worship anime are weird. I love anime. I've watched it since I was a kid. Same with manga. However, I don't obsess over it or make it my entire personality. I've talked about how I watch a variety of stuff. I watch animation and live action. I watch things no matter the country. If it catches my interest, I'm watching it. I've watched shows from: India, East Asia, Southeast Asia, Africa, Latin America, Europe, and North America. I can't limit myself to just one thing. Even within anime, I'm watching a variety of things. I don't understand how people can be so narrowminded. It seems boring, but to each their own... |
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valico said:
I wasn't trolling. I genuinely think anime should be viewed as an artistic framework developed in Japan, nothing more.
I wasn't trolling. I genuinely think anime should be viewed as an artistic framework developed in Japan, nothing more.
You literally told me that anime that "doesn't look like anime" shouldn't be counted or be here.
It's hard to not take such phrase as ragebaiting, you know?
valico said:
particularly your own
particularly your own
Considering I'm from Brazil, this isn't particularly difficult.
valico said:
However, if you couple that with the idea that the essential part of what makes anime special/unique compared to other animation is that it comes from Japan
However, if you couple that with the idea that the essential part of what makes anime special/unique compared to other animation is that it comes from Japan
Yet, it came from Japan, not any other country.
And for decades and decades, was a Japan only thing, no other country "arriving at the same conclusion independently".
Why do you think that was that?
thewiru said: Considering I'm from Brazil, this isn't particularly difficult. Brazil has the most powerful culture in Civilization 5. But I have never managed to see this firsthand, as my game crashes every time I play as Brazil. thewiru said: Yet, it came from Japan, not any other country. And for decades and decades, was a Japan only thing, no other country "arriving at the same conclusion independently". Why do you think that was that? Other countries have been making animation longer than Japan. I don't recognize anime as a unique style, not when similar works are made everywhere. Anime really is just animation to me, albeit some of the world's best. |
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krautnelson said:
what exactly brought you to this idea that being into anime and otaku culture is "unhealthy"?
what exactly brought you to this idea that being into anime and otaku culture is "unhealthy"?
The fact that some people don't treat it like I do made me think they probably see an issue with my ways.
I wanted to know why they think so.
| @thewiru well, they don't. of course, if you take an obsession too far and it starts controlling your life, it does become unhealthy, but again, that's true for everything, not just anime. but no sane person will look at someone with a harmless hobby and say "that's unhealthy". emphasis on "no sane person". people who hate others for enjoying things they don't are mentally ill. I'm afraid I have to say this, but I think this is you being once again way too concerned about how other people perceive you, and that is in fact unhealthy. |
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@thewiru well, they don't.
of course, if you take an obsession too far and it starts controlling your life, it does become unhealthy, but again, that's true for everything, not just anime. but no sane person will look at someone with a harmless hobby and say "that's unhealthy". emphasis on "no sane person". people who hate others for enjoying things they don't are mentally ill.
I'm afraid I have to say this, but I think this is you being once again way too concerned about how other people perceive you, and that is in fact unhealthy.
of course, if you take an obsession too far and it starts controlling your life, it does become unhealthy, but again, that's true for everything, not just anime. but no sane person will look at someone with a harmless hobby and say "that's unhealthy". emphasis on "no sane person". people who hate others for enjoying things they don't are mentally ill.
I'm afraid I have to say this, but I think this is you being once again way too concerned about how other people perceive you, and that is in fact unhealthy.
krautnelson said: well, they don't. If that's the case, then I don't understand. Other than my prose, why do people have an issue with my threads and posts? Why can't they connect/relate to them? |
| Thread Cleaneed. Please keep on topic, stop insulting each other, and refrain from any controversial topics please. I will lock the thread next time. |
thewiru said: IDK did I give you that impression? Like sure, I do downplay the idea, that anime is the only good medium out there, and in the end, there is a lot of other stuff I like doing in regards to media. That of course doesn't mean, anime is replaceable, though. I had a lot of great memories with it and I have made real life friends through it, and to me that isn't replaceable. Though, there is a lot of media, I wouldn't want to replace either, anime isn't the only form. Some recent experiences I had, though, made me realize that, for some people, anime is just... animation. And not as in "The person doesn't care about the fandom/culture part much, but it's gung-ho about it's story and traditions as an animated artform", but rather as "Just more animation, no different from the one of any other country, replaceable by any other form of media". Honestly I think I only portray anime in that light, due to quite a few fans on MAL being hyper weebs, that degrade anything but anime. So as a result, I become more critical of it, to balance it out. If anything, in the past, I have been quite defensive of anime, and love the medium, and I do think more people would benefit from giving it a shot. I mean I wouldn't have watched so much, if it didn't mean anything to me. thewiru said: Well okay....maybe not that extreme.I kid you not when I say that anime and otaku culture fill the place in me that things like politics or nationalism fill in others. thewiru said: IDK you figure that out for yourself. I don't think the people I disagree with, even if I dislike them, such as weebs are "unhealthy" people, maybe quite limited in what they chose to explore however, that is a personal decision. "Healthy" is in regards to one's ability to take care of oneself, and their ability to interact with society. Some anime fans, aren't healthy and use anime as a way to ignore the real world, which while escapism can be good, like everything in life too much is a bad thing. Still it's not like every weeb is doing that though, forget most other fans.Is this unhealthy? If anime is super important to you, that doesn't indicate if one is unhealthy or not. |
BilboBaggins3651 hour ago
| I don't think it really makes sense to just flat out separate Japanese anime from animation from the rest of the world since they are just inherently the same medium just filtered through a different cultural lens. I mean in Japan they just call animation "anime" regardless of country of origin so it's all relative. I feel like way too many anime fans are insecure about this and try to make anime out to be something completely different due to social stigma in a lot of western countries around watching animation and it being "for kids" |
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I don't think it really makes sense to just flat out separate Japanese anime from animation from the rest of the world since they are just inherently the same medium just filtered through a different cultural lens. I mean in Japan they just call animation "anime" regardless of country of origin so it's all relative. I feel like way too many anime fans are insecure about this and try to make anime out to be something completely different due to social stigma in a lot of western countries around watching animation and it being "for kids"
| @LSSJ_Gaming Well, I'm someone who usually defends animation in general. Though I still see merit in treating anime as something in it's own since, as I've said: There's a reason we're all in a website named "MyAnimeList" and not in a general animation forum. Some cross-pollination may have occurred, but in practice they were two different traditions historically, so it makes sense to separate them like we do dogs and wolves. Hence my biggest issue with valico: They question the validity of MAL being an "anime only" website. |
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