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| You turkish or something, Sasameiv? Nihilist. |
Zurel said: You turkish or something, Sasameiv? I am way too familiar with Middle Eastern history. We'll leave it at that :P Tachisme. |
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sasameiv said: Zurel said: You turkish or something, Sasameiv? I am way too familiar with Middle Eastern history. We'll leave it at that :P Oh ho... Interesting though how you identify as part of Middle East and not Europe. Erudite. |
Zurel said: sasameiv said: I am way too familiar with Middle Eastern history. We'll leave it at that :P Oh ho... Interesting though how you identify as part of Middle East and not Europe Why I don't remember ever saying such a thing... Now you are just jumping to conclusions~ :P Now I feel like you're going to sleuth me out or something. You don't know how tempted I was to give you a hard world but I'll make it easier.... Always liked the word Erudite BTW. Eidolon. |
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sasameiv said: Zurel said: Oh ho... Interesting though how you identify as part of Middle East and not Europe Why I don't remember ever saying such a thing... Now you are just jumping to conclusions~ :P Now I feel like you're going to sleuth me out or something. You don't know how tempted I was to give you a hard world but I'll make it easier.... Oh, I am sorry. I actually wanted to say "Interesting though how you identify TURKEY as part of Middle East and not Europe." Never meant to sleuth you, but now you seemed to be giving me the reason to just do that... Nuliajuk. |
Zurel said: sasameiv said: Why I don't remember ever saying such a thing... Now you are just jumping to conclusions~ :P Now I feel like you're going to sleuth me out or something. You don't know how tempted I was to give you a hard world but I'll make it easier.... Oh, I am sorry. I actually wanted to say "Interesting though how you identify TURKEY as part of Middle East and not Europe." Never meant to sleuth you, but now you seemed to be giving me the reason to just do that... Nuliajuk. Hmmm..... well that makes more sense. I feel like its pretty common to see Turkey as a portion of the Middle East and not Europe albeit one that leans more pro-west than the rest of its neighbors. Even though they are part of NATO and working on the EU it's pretty clear that they are more a part of the Middle East than anything else. Even speaking land wise East Thrace is the only part I'd really consider to be European. I fact-checked just for kicks and the CIA defines Turkey as part of the Middle East. I know you're not Inuit... That threw me for a loop. Speaking of the Middle East: Kemalism. |
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sasameiv said: Zurel said: Oh, I am sorry. I actually wanted to say "Interesting though how you identify TURKEY as part of Middle East and not Europe." Never meant to sleuth you, but now you seemed to be giving me the reason to just do that... Nuliajuk. Hmmm..... well that makes more sense. I feel like its pretty common to see Turkey as a portion of the Middle East and not Europe albeit one that leans more pro-west than the rest of its neighbors. Even though they are part of NATO and working on the EU it's pretty clear that they are more a part of the Middle East than anything else. Even speaking land wise East Thrace is the only part I'd really consider to be European. I fact-checked just for kicks and the CIA defines Turkey as part of the Middle East. I know you're not Inuit... That threw me for a loop. Speaking of the Middle East: Kemalism. Ottoman Turks did cover both Asian and European areas, so it's not surprising that the Turks may be inclined to want to be associated with Europe. Not to mention the mixture of population there, and how the Muslims are divided between conservative and secular. Well, so does its government. Also, Turkey had been petitioning to be part of EU for ages now, one of the reasons being the human rights principle there, which obviously is not being upheld in the Middle East. Oh, I am just matching your choice of vocabularies ; ) Musulman. |
Zurel said: sasameiv said: Hmmm..... well that makes more sense. I feel like its pretty common to see Turkey as a portion of the Middle East and not Europe albeit one that leans more pro-west than the rest of its neighbors. Even though they are part of NATO and working on the EU it's pretty clear that they are more a part of the Middle East than anything else. Even speaking land wise East Thrace is the only part I'd really consider to be European. I fact-checked just for kicks and the CIA defines Turkey as part of the Middle East. I know you're not Inuit... That threw me for a loop. Speaking of the Middle East: Kemalism. Ottoman Turks did cover both Asian and European areas, so it's not surprising that the Turks may be inclined to want to be associated with Europe. Not to mention the mixture of population there, and how the Muslims are divided between conservative and secular. Well, so does its government. Also, Turkey had been petitioning to be part of EU for ages now, one of the reasons being the human rights principle there, which obviously is not being upheld in the Middle East. Oh, I am just matching your choice of vocabularies ; ) Musulman. Oh I get it totally. Obviously Turkey is the much more liberal than most Middle Eastern countries, especially when it comes to press, and they have been Pro-West for awhile now. Basically for ~50 years (when they allowed the west to station Jupiter Ballistic missiles.) Thus they have much better relations with the western nations and some M.E countries view Turkey with some degree of suspicion (of course there is the fact that they were dominated by the Ottomans as well.) They have some really solid economic ties though. I just see them as part of the Middle Eastern than Europe at least for now. They have a long way to go before I see them as European. I wanted to continue with my isms and use Nasser but I resisted. :P Here we go: Niqab. |
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| You really are into Middle East study eh, Sasa? First Turkey, now Egypt. I am interested in what will come up next. You must have seen this one coming :P Burqa |
Zurel said: You really are into Middle East study eh, Sasa? First Turkey, now Egypt. I am interested in what will come up next. You must have seen this one coming :P Burqa I did say Middle East not just Turkey :P That one was could be seen a mile away..... ;) al-Aqsa. Gotta get Israel in there too |
sasameivJan 11, 2015 5:58 PM
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sasameiv said: Zurel said: You really are into Middle East study eh, Sasa? First Turkey, now Egypt. I am interested in what will come up next. You must have seen this one coming :P Burqa I did say Middle East not just Turkey :P That one was could be seen a mile away..... ;) al-Aqsa. Gotta get Israel in there too Hmm, Israel huh? Now, where do you place that? Definitely Western in its identity, but also Middle East geographically. Abrahamic. |
Zurel said: sasameiv said: I did say Middle East not just Turkey :P That one was could be seen a mile away..... ;) al-Aqsa. Gotta get Israel in there too Hmm, Israel huh? Now, where do you place that? Definitely Western in its identity, but also Middle East geographically. Abrahamic. Now I'm wondering how you know all these... It appears to me we may have hijacked the game which now I feel guilty about ^^; Oh Israel. It's like that poor sad stepchild that no one wants. It's always the odd one out. It wants so hard to be western but its brutal suppression of African Jews and Palestinians make it far from democratic. I say a fusion (but if forced to chose Middle Eastern.) I'm probably sound rude but Israel is a complex subject that if you want to delve into would take a significantly longer post Chador we are gong back to the roots! and touching on Iran! |
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Sasameiv said: Now I'm wondering how you know all these... It appears to me we may have hijacked the game which now I feel guilty about ^^; Oh Israel. It's like that poor sad stepchild that no one wants. It's always the odd one out. It wants so hard to be western but its brutal suppression of African Jews and Palestinians make it far from democratic. I say a fusion (but if forced to chose Middle Eastern.) I'm probably sound rude but Israel is a complex subject that if you want to delve into would take a significantly longer post Chador we are gong back to the roots! and touching on Iran! We certainly have Sasa, we certainly have. But I don't think we have broken any rule - we haven't been trolling nor spamming. We are playing the game, only with a twist to it, and anyone can slip in and we will not stop them. I don't know if mods feel otherwise BUT Your Honour, I plead not guilty! African Jews. I suppose they are, comparably, as obscure as the Christian Arabs of the Palestine in term of media exposure - we don't hear them being mentioned much during the conflicts, do we? I am as curious about your Middle East expertise, Sasa but the only thing that I know is that you're blonde... I would have chosen Rial, as in the Iranian currency. But you cannot talk about Iran without mentioning the Islamic... Revolution. |
| I agree with Zuu, I plead not guilty as well Your Honor. :P I, for one, think we spice the game up though I am inherently biased ;) Now Christian Arabs, that's a rare topic as well, especially those from Palestine. Curiouser and curiouser. Though I feel like bad new coverage is common internationally; key events in the world don't get covered till later. One certainly doesn't see mentions of Muslim imprisonment in Myanmar covered well, the world is pretty quiet on the plight of the Rohingya for example (with the exception of Al Jazeera.) The Brazilian Bus Riots were similarly not reported in mainstream media until quite late in the game and for a while the best news on Syria was coming out of reddit. Another thing you rarely hear about is African Christians and the wide variety from Uganda to Ethiopia. And I feel that if most people in western countries were aware of some of the shenanigans that Israel has pulled in the last two years they would be rightly horrified. New outlets though are unlikely to report such things. Ohoho I'll have to keep you wandering hm? And someone has been reading mafia game posts oh no I'm sure I've ruined a good impression after trolling -Blonde- gasp! though I knew that from the dead thread ^.^ Currency, that's smart, I actually forgot about that. And the Islamic Revolution is fascinating and usually not well understood by Americans. I'm backsliding cause that's the N word that I can think of... Nakba. though I wanted to give you Nevruz just to see what you could spin Long post but whatever. I keep on telling people how much fun I'm finding this. We'll see who shall run out of words first though that's sure to take awhile ;) |
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| I don't believe people are even aware of the Rohingya. Rohingya? Wazzat? Is it edible? You will have coverage only when things get so serious, there's no way someone can pretend not to see it. Like the siege of Gaza during previous Ramadan. But really, the oppression of minorities in Asia is atrocious. We have the Uyghur in China, Bangsa Moro in the Philippines, Muslim minority in Thailand, and of course the Rohingya. There seems to be no one defending the Rohingya. Even Aung San Suu Kyi, the icon of democracy in Myanmar, is quiet. Of course we could put up arguments against and for her, but at the end of the day, if I were the Rohingya I too would be disappointed. I think, looking at the state of the world, it is my love for international relations and politics that keeps me sane. We live in a mad, mad world. You love international relations too, right? And yeah, I do ze stalking, why must you check my hiding place? Nvm, I am going to retreat until Night is over and see ze rezult during Day phase. No one iz going to read my books for me. Oh, we can always resort to 'normal' words. But somehow we have created rules of our own, and is making our own mini game out of this. We may be interrupted before we reach end game, but I say we keep on rolling. Awrah. |
| I agree but it doesn’t make me less upset. I think that Rohingya will never get widespread recognition of their plight due in part because people as you said can pretend not to see and will continue to do so. Meanwhile the Rohingya will continue to be enclosed and without access to healthcare putting them in dire straits. I am personally disappointed with An San Suu Kyi. It’s sad that no one is willing to stand up for them at all. They’ve basically been left to die behind checkpoints. The Gaza Blockade is such a nasty thing for both sides but the massacre was just… despicable is the only word that comes to mind. It’s interesting that you mentioned minorities in Asia, I was just explaining to someone the situation with the Uyghur people. Their sheer poverty in face of prosperity of native Chinese, especially in areas with oil, is terrible. Only recently did the NYT do a very small report on the situation which was some of the first coverage I saw from western media. Thailand is equally messy and I honestly can’t say I’m overly familiar with the situation in the Philippines (I just know basics of the Moro’s struggles.) I feel like the more I learn about the world the more I realize that things needs to be fixed. International relations is one my favorite things to discuss but it’s hard to find someone to converse with so thanks for humoring me :) I say on profile that it is “my bread and butter.” What got you interested? Cause I’m trying to get a read on you ^.^ Yes, but for now this is fun~ ;) Let’s keep on moving, moving, moving~ I’m sure you saw this coming from miles away: Hadiths. |
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| We can blame the media, of course, for its biased coverage. But media too is a business, driven by the mass, and as we know from the basic of economy, it is demand that drives supply. I don't think the mass particularly enjoy watching updates about oppressions all over the world. For one thing, it makes them feel powerless. For another, it is mundane. Suffering and pain in repetition can desensitise observers, and humans in general don't have that much of an attention span anyway . This will sound nasty but don't we love excitement? Oh, we certainly don't love all those spree killings, but we cannot help but to turn our heads and fix our eyes onto the screen when something explosive happens. For me, it is a positive feedback mechanism: the mass demands something, the media fulfills that demand, and shape it the way media wants, thus creating new demand by mass as led by the media. Free will? Free media? I will probably be skinned alive for declaring this in our current liberal society, but I don't believe such things can exist. What is left is for those who want to really know, to find alternative sources and swim against the current. Should I tell you, or should I not... Let's just say I am a jack of various knowledge but master of few, for now ; ) We need info to trade with info Sasa, per the Rule of Equivalent Exchange. Not sure if I did see that one coming, but here goes. Sunnah. |
| I don't blame the media because like you said it is a business. At the same time I feel that there is often not another "option" that people have been offered. They are only offered the choice for the quick news which is furthered by poor historical teaching. It's no wonder that so few people understand the Middle East because they are never taught about it. This means that exploitative and sensationalist media can claim almost anything they want. I get that you are a cynic and I am a little too. But I think that if you give people the option of learning than some/most will. Maybe I'm too much of an idealist though... I probably most respect the NYT, even with all their plagiarizing and factual hiccups, because they do some excellent reporting. So what are you "alternative sources" then that you use? I don't think you're wrong in saying that there is no such thing as free media and nor do I think our actions are never not influenced by our past and others. But I think that better media and knowledge is worth striving for. I already had guessed that though so it wasn't worth too much. That almost seems like a copy of my profile in fact (in fact I'm sure it is) O.o The for now makes me curious so I'll give you an equivalent tidbit: I am actually probably strongest in knowledge somewhere other than the Middle East. So many H words, glad I thought of an extra last time: Haram. |
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