| Ever since I've started watching anime about a year ago I've found that a lot of people hold hatred to Isekai as it is generally refered to as "slop." This may be because most of the animes and mangas that I first read were isekai but I find the genre to be fairly great. The "slop" is still entertaining to me at least. I know that there was a surge of isekais a bit ago and now they are a lot more popular and might get more focused on now rather than other projects; which is what I think is the main reason it gets the majority of the ire it receives. EDIT: Sorry guys and upon feedback from @perseii should've shared the last 5 isekais I've watched and what exactly I liked about them. In order to share my opinion on the matter and for general sake. (SPOILERS) I just recently watched I’ll Become a Villainess Who Goes Down in History (Rekishi ni Nokoru Akujo ni Naru zo) and boy did I enjoy that anime. It had a lot of mysterious elements in it, a giant twist in regards to the generic villainess stories, and is just felt quite exhilarating getting to the ending. I was only a bit weirded out about how the prince in the story came off a bit pdf'ish and was about to drop it off of that but I was glad I stuck with it. I don't know if it'd be a good idea to put an isekai that I rewatched but I'll put it here anyways. I rewatched Skeleton Knight in Another World (Gaikotsu Kishi-sama, Tadaima Isekai e Odekakechuu) which felt pretty good. There was no harem-esk stuff inside of the anime which made it more enjoyable. They framed the MC not as a super OP character as one of the elf people later on in the village (the female main protaganist's mom) defeats Arc (the MC) in a battle. The Eminence in Shadow (Kage no Jitsuryokusha ni Naritakute!) was the third most recent isekai I've watched and while at some points I do find it kind of boring and not going in the direction I wished the writers would've gone, I found it a bit enjoyable. The main character Cid (Minoru Kagenou was his name before getting isekai'd) kind of is a bit edgy I guess I would say? Not kind of in actuallity, he is really edgy 🤣. But I digress the anime is pretty alright, didn't go the way I wanted it to exactly, but it had great animation. From Bureaucrat to Villainess: Dad's Been Reincarnated! (Akuyaku Reijou Tensei Ojisan) was another recent isekai that I've watched. It was pretty good and had a bit of a twist as I had fully thought that the dad was really in another world, not in a video game. That being said it kind of turned me off from the show and made me less interested in it as I just felt less... attached I would say? But it has an alright story and I think will have a S2 as I'm pretty sure a lot of other people enjoyed it as much as I did. Lastly the 5th most recent isekai anime I've seen was Campfire Cooking in Another World with My Absurd Skill (Tondemo Skill de Isekai Hourou Meshi). Overall it was kind of your average isekai with the ability to bring stuff in from another world, kind of like Sasaki and Peeps but in a reverse fashion, but not entirely? IDK. But yeah it was pretty good, the detailed background and food looked really good for a isekai. |
Matt6616Aug 6, 4:07 AM
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I think the true main reason why isekai is hated or isn't liked enough is based on isekai as a whole. Most isekai's feel TOO similar and watchers want something a bit different. For example, the appearance of Truck-kun, who is the lead cause in isekaiing mcs to another world. It has continually killed mcs for years and ig ppl are tired of it. As long as isekais come up with new material on how they die and make the plot much more unique, then it will definitely become less hated. |
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I think the true main reason why isekai is hated or isn't liked enough is based on isekai as a whole. Most isekai's feel TOO similar and watchers want something a bit different. For example, the appearance of Truck-kun, who is the lead cause in isekaiing mcs to another world. It has continually killed mcs for years and ig ppl are tired of it. As long as isekais come up with new material on how they die and make the plot much more unique, then it will definitely become less hated.
| @JayDaAnimeLord Yeah there are a lot of them that are pretty much the same. Like The Daily Life of a Middle-Aged Online Shopper in Another World and Campfire Cooking in Another World with My Absurd Skill |
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Matt6616 said: Ever since I've started watching anime about a year ago I've found that a lot of people hold hatred to Isekai as it is generally refered to as "slop." This may be because most of the animes and mangas that I first read were isekai but I find the genre to be fairly great. The "slop" is still entertaining to me at least. I know that there was a surge of isekais a bit ago and now they are a lot more popular and might get more focused on now rather than other projects; which is what I think is the main reason it gets the majority of the ire it receives. Let’s be real, people don’t actually hate "Isekai". They hate the same tired-ass tropes getting shoved down their fucking throats seen in any seasonal throw-away. It’s not the themes fault, it’s the fact that half these shows feel like they were written by an AI trained on 50 light novels and a fever dream to the people who bitch and whine about them. Truck-kun shows up, some faceless bland-ass MC gets reborn with cheat codes, and suddenly every girl with a pulse is ready to ride his pixelated cock for no reason. The “world” is just Discount RPG Land™ with zero stakes, zero soul, and absolutely no originality. And this ain’t even an Isekai-exclusive problem. Lazy, paint-by-numbers writing plagues every oversaturated trend, harem trash, idol crap, even Battle Shounen Boner material, etc... Isekai just took the most flak because it got too popular too fast and the market got flooded with low-effort dumpster fires. I will admit some Isekai can be complete unoriginal trash and seem like one has seen something like it before.... But when an Isekai actually tries, puts in real work with characters, tension, or worldbuilding, people eat that shit up. So yeah, it’s not really "Isekai bad" It’s the ones bitching and whining about this shit just really don't like re-used Anime tropes. |
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| On one hand, there's no much difference between a generic isekai and an equally generic fantasy. And I'm sure that most of them are frowned upon only because of their below average animation, people wouldn't mind the cookie-cutter writing if they all looked as pretty as the few best ones. On the other hand, I feel that the isekai tropes are like shortcuts and that truly skilled writers won't resort to them: MC is inherently more relatable because he was a Japanese NEET/salaryman in his previous life just like the target audience, MC is overpowered because a god gave him a second chance while also not knowing anything about the fantasy world so that everything needs to be explained to him alongside the audience. |
| Should Isekai really be that hated? _ah, no! just hate the director and author, or any who's in charge. |
| "Should Isekai really be that hated?" The whole thing - no, some isekai titles - definitely. |
| Another "isekai doesn't deserve it" thread... It would be more interesting if you shared the last 5 isekai anime you've watched, whether you liked them, and what exactly you liked about them. I agree with the takes that it's the blandness and repetitiveness of it all, not anything about the genre or the concept itself. I auto-ignore isekai titles by default these days, but I haven't written off the entire genre, and I have enjoyed a few shows that have more fun with it and take some risks. Like Zenshuu for example, in which an animator gets isekai'd into an anime and uses her drawing skills to change the story. |
| A lot of them are low quality copy paste wannabe that end up boring and predictable with some random twist thrown in a lazy attempt to stand out |
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I've started watching anime about a year ago [...] The "slop" is still entertaining to me at least. yeah, that checks out. trust me, once you have broadened your horizon a little bit, you will realize how bad a lot of the stuff really is. not saying that you are wrong for enjoying trash, but it's important to realize that it is in fact trash. |
| "Should Isekai really be that hated?" No. |
| If someone hates isekai for being "slop" then they'd have to hate most anime in general. |
| No. You can go back over the years and find plenty of isekai that are 7/10 or so. In fact most isekai that come out now seem to be like 5/10 or so (slop), not worth hating, and perfectly fine to kill time with. |
| Taiga best girl forever. |
| I don't really hate isekai and watch a lot of seasonal isekai shows still. |
| I think isekai is fairly good. There may be some who hate it. But I think it can be enjoyable, under the correct context. |
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| As someone who has watched / read over 200 isekai series, majority of the 'complaints' it gets are very much valid, and they are not really wrong to call large amount of them 'slop'. I agree with all the cons, and frankly have hard time remembering most of them, and forget them in less than a week. I once had read a series to 70 chapters without realising I had already read that before. Emphasising that most are that badly unimaginative or lacking any individuality. Despite all that, they are some of the easiest form of media to consume, the lowest of fast-food type, ones you can mindless consume and binge with your brain turned off. Some of the best of escapism media. I like JP Isekai-slop better than EN progression 'fantasy'-trash or CN Wuxia Cultivation-trash or the worst of bunch KR WN-trash. Isekai IS very much TRASHY, and that's not really a problem. As long as it's brain-off bingeable. Tho kill all those mediocre hypergeneric moralcuck MCs please. |
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| Most recent Isekais have been "slop" after the genre got popular, so it's understandable. What i mean by "slop" is the many 12-episode Isekai (usually no second season) with cookie-cutter story and stereotypical characters, and barely good enough or below average animation / production quality. There are the great ones like Mushoku Tensei (if you don't mind the extreme ecchi side) and Re:Zero, which set the standard. The popular No Game No Life and KonoSuba are also entertaining, although most people forget that they are Isekai. But there are also seemingly generic Isekais which are actually unique (story-wise or character-wise), like Grimgar, Handyman Saitou, Cautious Hero, and the recent The Old Man Reincarnated as a Villainess, followed by some other titles (Problem Children, Trapped in a Dating Sim, and more). Since Isekai rooted in Fantasy genre, it's up to the creators and studios for the level of creativity and animation/production quality, and based on those, people's reactions will always vary. There are people who highly prefers realism over fantasy for various reasons, which is perfectly valid, but their criticism shouldn't be the priority here (especially if it's because they are not willing to set aside logic while watching the more creative types of fantasy). --- Edit: talking about cookie-cutter / formulaic story, Truck-kun got stale for a while, but recently depending on level of creativity + humor, it actually can be a really good tone-setter for the rest of the anime. |
XavionAug 5, 10:56 AM
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| i like that the poor wording of the poll makes the results completely meaningless |
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i like that the poor wording of the poll makes the results completely meaningless
| @fbjim how is the wording of the poll poor? Please explain. |
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i like that the poor wording of the poll makes the results completely meaningless
| Haven't answered the poll, but i just took a look at the question and you're right, i bet there are more people who give unintended answer than not. |
| To keep learning is wise. To avoid action is fear pretending to be wisdom. |
| Who doesn't like watching isekai? Who doesn't like Konosuba? |
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@fbjim how is the wording of the poll poor? Please explain.
| @DesuMaiden If not careful, the phrase "do you not like..." can be misleading, compared to "do you like..." and "do you dislike...". At least it's better than "do you not dislike..." though. |
| To keep learning is wise. To avoid action is fear pretending to be wisdom. |
| "do you not" is actually kind of ambiguous in English, yeah. "do you like coffee?", and "do you not like coffee?". can be basically identical in certain contexts except the latter has a slightly elevated tone |
| Isekai doesnt deserve the hate, I would even argue that most people dont hate it. They are just tired of this trope overuse. As a plot presenter is really good: many isekai anime just kind of skip the first part, they know you know, so they just put the character in this magical/mysterious world and save screen time. |
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Isekai doesnt deserve the hate, I would even argue that most people dont hate it. They are just tired of this trope overuse.
As a plot presenter is really good: many isekai anime just kind of skip the first part, they know you know, so they just put the character in this magical/mysterious world and save screen time.
As a plot presenter is really good: many isekai anime just kind of skip the first part, they know you know, so they just put the character in this magical/mysterious world and save screen time.
| @KenaiPhoenix so how many isekai anime shows have you watched btw? |
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@KenaiPhoenix so how many isekai anime shows have you watched btw?
| @DesuMaiden I would have to count them but I think... around 5 or 6? I know it doesnt seems that much but i dont have a big anime list. |
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@DesuMaiden
I would have to count them but I think... around 5 or 6? I know it doesnt seems that much but i dont have a big anime list.
I would have to count them but I think... around 5 or 6? I know it doesnt seems that much but i dont have a big anime list.
| @KenaiPhoenix well Konosuba is the only isekai I watched tbh. I don't typically list the anime shows I watch btw. |
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| Overexposure. The genre is pretty great, because you've been watching anime for about a year. But, for us, older fans, is been 12 years since the isekai wave started. Isekai has existed in anime for decades, but the problem with modern isekai is that their origin is webnovels. Shōsetsuka ni Narō is a Japanese platform similar with Wattpad, where peoples can publish their webnovels for free. Most of the isekai we know, even the most popular ones, were born there. That platform was overtaken by isekai in the 2010's, and some publishers seeing the numbers, started to sign those writers and their works to publishing deals. The problem is that most who publish there are amateurs - they don't have editors, or oversight, most don't even have ambitions as writers, and just write for fun, roleplaying trough isekai, and copying from other popular webnovels trying to rise in rankings. Entire publishing companies, of both LN's and manga, who publish exclusively isekai have been born, and they became a factory of poor quality and unoriginal stories, on the model 'quantity over quality' hoping for a golden geese, and they saturated the market. It didn't take more than 2 years for everyone to basically run out of fresh ideas, and isekai became a formulaic slope, taking place usually in a Record of Lodoss War inspired fantasy setting, usually a power-fantasy, focused on a NEET taking revenge, or enjoying a slow life or hedonism. There is no much unique flair. You don't really see them trying other settings, or something unique - is just the same story rehashed with a twist, and sometime not even that. There have been seasons where we 2 or 3 isekai anime were basically telling the same story. In the end there is just so much isekai, that isekai became ubiquitous with fantasy. I heard way too often, even on this site, peoples calling Frieren for example and isekai, due to it having a fantasy setting. It was already oversaturated a decade ago when it became a genre, but now, is affecting other genre too. It's annoying. You didn't live trough a time before this isekai wave, but this genre really became like a weed in a garden really fast, especially when it comes to manga. Manga used to be quite varied and diverse - but after 2014, you could go to any manga site, 60% of every page with manga, was isekai. There is much less when it comes to anime, but it's still a lot. It just doesn't have any value for most part. Manga is a competitive industry, which is why only the top manga get a chance to get an anime. Those isekai would not survive in the true manga industry, but they are born in a space where there is total creative freedom, and are pushed by companies that don't have anything better to offer or don't give a fuk. Is insulting to see so much time and resources being wasted on all this mediocrity. How bad and unserious is the writing for most isekai... well, the Truck-kun has been a meme for a decade now, and it's still used as a plot device to this day to start the transmigration. No self-respecting isekai story that is worthy of praise uses the Truck as a plot device, unless is a comedy. But plenty of authors who write serious stories and want to be taken into serious, use the truck, just because is a meme. It just show how serious they are about their 'craft.' |
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| "Isekai is generic trash" _ Doesn't even regularly watch all sesonal Isekai to see how generic they are. Opinions of such clowns are less than trash. |
| I don't watch isekai (on a frequent basis), but I don't think it is trash because I haven't seen enough of it to form an accurate opinion of it. |
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| I feel like hating on isekai is something that people new to anime do in order to fit in because they think that it's the correct opinion to have. I fucking love reading trashy isekai manga and even if it usually turns into the same boring cycle as all the other series after around 5-10 chapters there is no feeling like starting reading a new isekai with an interesting premise and seeing what it does differently |
| I think it's not hated enough, we should hate it a little bit more |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
| The big problem with isekai is that it's usually the same shit over and over again. A guy is just minding his own business until he randomly dies and is transported to a generic fantasy world with elves, dragons, etc. Recently, I've been watching GATE. A few episodes in, it's a twist that I am liking so far. Military X Isekai basically. |
| If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece |
| I don't think the entire genre isekai should get hated, but there is enough harem isekai out there, and I feel that its getting too easy to just fall back into the harem instead of making an actual good story🙏 |
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| I mean, my favourite all-time anime is one of the OG Isekai titles, so I can't say I dislike it on the whole. I can say that I dislike unoriginal, uncreative, conveyor belt Isekai that seems to be present each season for no apparent reason. But when done well and with some sort of innovative take, Isekai can make for a great show even in this saturated market. |
| No? I think people hate specific isekai tropes.. like truck-kun, or "I died and got reincarnation as a XX" predictable bullshit (I mean, the whole story is already in in the title itself. There's also the korean trend - "I got sucked into the game/novel I liked" or "I got reincarnated into a villain" shtick. Isekai used to be more diverse than what they seem nowadays. Spirited Away, Inuyasha, Tsubasa Chronicle, Sugar Sugar Rune, Doraemon are some isekai examples that most people will exclude when they say they hate isekai. |
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Another "isekai doesn't deserve it" thread... It would be more interesting if you shared the last 5 isekai anime you've watched, whether you liked them, and what exactly you liked about them.
I agree with the takes that it's the blandness and repetitiveness of it all, not anything about the genre or the concept itself.
I auto-ignore isekai titles by default these days, but I haven't written off the entire genre, and I have enjoyed a few shows that have more fun with it and take some risks. Like Zenshuu for example, in which an animator gets isekai'd into an anime and uses her drawing skills to change the story.
I agree with the takes that it's the blandness and repetitiveness of it all, not anything about the genre or the concept itself.
I auto-ignore isekai titles by default these days, but I haven't written off the entire genre, and I have enjoyed a few shows that have more fun with it and take some risks. Like Zenshuu for example, in which an animator gets isekai'd into an anime and uses her drawing skills to change the story.
| @perseii Sorry I should've done this you are totally right, if you'd be fine with it I'll share the last 5 isekais I've watched and what exactly I liked about them (I'll also include this in the start of the thread and give you the credit for saying I should do so.) (SPOILERS) I just recently watched I’ll Become a Villainess Who Goes Down in History (Rekishi ni Nokoru Akujo ni Naru zo) and boy did I enjoy that anime. It had a lot of mysterious elements in it, a giant twist in regards to the generic villainess stories, and is just felt quite exhilarating getting to the ending. I was only a bit weirded out about how the prince in the story came off a bit pdf'ish and was about to drop it off of that but I was glad I stuck with it. I don't know if it'd be a good idea to put an isekai that I rewatched but I'll put it here anyways. I rewatched Skeleton Knight in Another World (Gaikotsu Kishi-sama, Tadaima Isekai e Odekakechuu) which felt pretty good. There was no harem-esk stuff inside of the anime which made it more enjoyable. They framed the MC not as a super OP character as one of the elf people later on in the village (the female main protaganist's mom) defeats Arc (the MC) in a battle. The Eminence in Shadow (Kage no Jitsuryokusha ni Naritakute!) was the third most recent isekai I've watched and while at some points I do find it kind of boring and not going in the direction I wished the writers would've gone, I found it a bit enjoyable. The main character Cid (Minoru Kagenou was his name before getting isekai'd) kind of is a bit edgy I guess I would say? Not kind of in actuallity, he is really edgy 🤣. But I digress the anime is pretty alright, didn't go the way I wanted it to exactly, but it had great animation. From Bureaucrat to Villainess: Dad's Been Reincarnated! (Akuyaku Reijou Tensei Ojisan) was another recent isekai that I've watched. It was pretty good and had a bit of a twist as I had fully thought that the dad was really in another world, not in a video game. That being said it kind of turned me off from the show and made me less interested in it as I just felt less... attached I would say? But it has an alright story and I think will have a S2 as I'm pretty sure a lot of other people enjoyed it as much as I did. Lastly the 5th most recent isekai anime I've seen was Campfire Cooking in Another World with My Absurd Skill (Tondemo Skill de Isekai Hourou Meshi). Overall it was kind of your average isekai with the ability to bring stuff in from another world, kind of like Sasaki and Peeps but in a reverse fashion, but not entirely? IDK. But yeah it was pretty good, the detailed background and food looked really good for a isekai. |
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Anime fans who constantly ponder about tropes are basically mentally ill trained bots. I mean "truck-kun".wtf?
So yeah, Isekai shouldn't be hated but is because people have idiotic consumer pathologies and have this pseudo-elitist posing which exercebated by online cults
So yeah, Isekai shouldn't be hated but is because people have idiotic consumer pathologies and have this pseudo-elitist posing which exercebated by online cults
| @Flick_on Gotta admit some of what you said went right over my head 😅, but what I'm getting at here is that people should be less.. I guess you would say less psuedo-elitist. I think I can get behind what you are saying, people should care less about which genre is better than another because that essentailly is a mute point as people have vastly differing opinions about practically everything. Thank you for some of the enlightenment Flick_on! |
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A lot of them are low quality copy paste wannabe that end up boring and predictable with some random twist thrown in a lazy attempt to stand out
| @mimimilk I agree that there are a lot of the isekais that exists to be just filler content for anime seasons that animation companies just shove out to improve their numbers but you have to agree there are some gems that exist. Like Overlord in my opinion, or rather Re:zero. Oh boy when I watched Re:zero for the first time it felt like the way I viewed anime and life changed I don't know how to say what I'm trying to say but yeah, I can agree with you that a lot of them are slop, but not all. thanks for the comment btw ! |
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I've started watching anime about a year ago [...] The "slop" is still entertaining to me at least.
yeah, that checks out.
trust me, once you have broadened your horizon a little bit, you will realize how bad a lot of the stuff really is. not saying that you are wrong for enjoying trash, but it's important to realize that it is in fact trash.
| @krautnelson Reading this was kind of funny ngl, not as in like I think what you said is funny, but as in I totally agree. I have broadened my horizon a bit off from the isekai realm but somehow I always come back crawling to it, like my little oasis in the desert as I suckle on the water that is slop. Btw I saw your pfp and it looked like something I knew but it turns out I was completely wrong its from The Wonderful Adventures of Nils, looked kinda nice and I watched an episode of it, kind of reminded me of The Rescurers. |
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Anime has a particularly heavy reliance on tropes and stock characters, the isekai slop chute has kind of taken that necessary slow churn and spun it up like a centrifuge... iteration and innovation seem harder to find and vidja game mechanics are unexplained integral elements of reality to the level that somehow importing some pen and paper RPG elements is fresh.
At the current pace we can't be far off having a short story LN where the absurdly long title is the entire story... Hopefully people will get bored of it and the genre will have time to innovate a little... but when the world is so miserable authors and their readership are fixated on dying to have a chance at rerunning it in a different world, doesn't give me much hope that's coming any time soon lol
At the current pace we can't be far off having a short story LN where the absurdly long title is the entire story... Hopefully people will get bored of it and the genre will have time to innovate a little... but when the world is so miserable authors and their readership are fixated on dying to have a chance at rerunning it in a different world, doesn't give me much hope that's coming any time soon lol
| @rbp_pbr2 Totally understand your point, like I can't believe such a stupidly long isekai anime title like I Was Reincarnated as the 7th Prince so I Can Take My Time Perfecting My Magical Ability even exists! It's so stupid. Anyways thanks for the message! |
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"Should Isekai really be that hated?"
No.
No.
| @Absurdo_N Very thoughtful insight from Absurdo_N, thank you. (Made in Abyss the goat) |
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