coromandel said: Gwendolly said: Yea, wen had some kind of important role that cant be displayed yet? Dont ask me which one, I'm not that familiar with roles yet :P And that potion can only be used on someone else as far as I know, so it wouldnt make much sense for a townie to use it. As for Holo not being lynched. I'm not sure what happened. But since I assume wen was scum I think there's another scum on that train, with aa-dono being town. So it looks like manipulation in my eyes and maybe holo had just that ability to get help from a goddess, maybe she's Yuna :P And who do you suspect the most right now? Yuna is not goddess, hardly. She is a priestess. :/ |
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Holocaster said: Karote said: I wonder if you realise, by not having a lynch on Day 1, you're giving an upper hand to mafia. Your mindset is really anti-town. But if a town is lynched, it's an even stronger hand towards mafia. We lynched a townie without any kind of good reason besides that we would maybe lynch a scum, which ends up giving them more of an upper hand than if we didn't lynch anyone. Do you realize this? Then I guess you much more prefer wasting Day 1 with fluff talk and have Day 2 with no clues, perhaps, mafia manipulating the lynch and us potentionally losing more townies in process because we didn't had a lynch on Day 1. |
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ππ Vote Count 3.1 π coromandel (2)π | |π Holocaster, Lupadim π π ZombieWolf2508 (1)π | |π coromandel π π SightlessReality (1)π | |π _Claire_ π π KOtA (1)π | |π gwendolly π π Not Voting π:| | π CorruptedPurity , grrr , Lamby , Lord_Sithis ,SightlessReality,ZombieWolf2508, Togs, TheConquerer, Karote, Tingle, KOtA, Suzune-chan π |
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Karote said: Then I guess you much more prefer wasting Day 1 with fluff talk and have Day 2 with no clues, perhaps, mafia manipulating the lynch and us potentionally losing more townies in process because we didn't had a lynch on Day 1. But you would prefer that a town dies on D1, like what happened, thus giving more of an upper hand to scum? I'd rather not lynch any townies tyvm. |
Holocaster said: _Claire_ said: So what you want us to do? Sit tight and let the scums kill all of us? Hah! Guys. Coro is town, I am not sure what you guys are getting at. No?? Do you even read my posts? I am against D1 lynching, not 'no lynching ever'. And how are you completely sure that coro is town? Did you investigate him? And why are you so inclined to believe claims, especially after Favorites and the fact that this is role madness/bastard? Haha- I dont agree with this. Was in a game where there is no lynch day 1, and day 2 becomes extension-of-Day-1 and it went into chaos. |
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coromandel said: Gwendolly said: Yea, wen had some kind of important role that cant be displayed yet? Dont ask me which one, I'm not that familiar with roles yet :P And that potion can only be used on someone else as far as I know, so it wouldnt make much sense for a townie to use it. As for Holo not being lynched. I'm not sure what happened. But since I assume wen was scum I think there's another scum on that train, with aa-dono being town. So it looks like manipulation in my eyes and maybe holo had just that ability to get help from a goddess, maybe she's Yuna :P And who do you suspect the most right now? On that train? Well only you and CP left. I dont really see a danger in you yet plus all of a sudden everyone started jumping on you since night phase 2 which is suspicious af. Well I guess that includes me too, but I dont see any further reason in doing that for now. Which leaves CP and he already stated he had a bone to pick with me so Ima wait what he has to say. |
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coromandel said: You'd be surprisedWho else do you suspect? coromandel said: KindaIs this all you can come up with after more than 800 posts? coromandel said: I'd be a fool if I revealed my cards so earlyBecause so far, you haven't shared your thoughts with us. |
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Holocaster said: Karote said: Then I guess you much more prefer wasting Day 1 with fluff talk and have Day 2 with no clues, perhaps, mafia manipulating the lynch and us potentionally losing more townies in process because we didn't had a lynch on Day 1. But you would prefer that a town dies on D1, like what happened, thus giving more of an upper hand to scum? I'd rather not lynch any townies tyvm. You're so focused on ''b-but townie dies!'' My point is that we need info to get the game going. Otherwise we would be stuck and sitting in ducks, thus giving mafia even more advantage than with having Day 1 lynch. |
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Exactly priestess plus she was able to summon goddesses (were they called goddesses I dont know anymore :P) |
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lupadim said: coromandel said: You'd be surprisedWho else do you suspect? coromandel said: KindaIs this all you can come up with after more than 800 posts? coromandel said: I'd be a fool if I revealed my cards so earlyBecause so far, you haven't shared your thoughts with us. How many scum buddies in your team? |
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Karote said: You're so focused on ''b-but townie dies!'' My point is that we need info to get the game going. Otherwise we would be stuck and sitting in ducks, thus giving mafia even more advantage than with having Day 1 lynch. If we hadn't lynched anyone D1, we could have easily gotten information from quests and who's buying what items from the shop. That magnifying glass would have been extremely useful to figure out who bought those potions. .-. I don't know about wen being mafia aligned like Gwendolly said. The text was blue, though that really doesn't say much lol |
Gwendolly said: Exactly priestess plus she was able to summon goddesses (were they called goddesses I dont know anymore :P) They were called Bestia. ^^ aeons >.> Gwendolly said: On that train? Well only you and CP left. I dont really see a danger in you yet plus all of a sudden everyone started jumping on you since night phase 2 which is suspicious af. Well I guess that includes me too, but I dont see any further reason in doing that for now. Which leaves CP and he already stated he had a bone to pick with me so Ima wait what he has to say. I meant in general. |
Holocaster said: Karote said: You're so focused on ''b-but townie dies!'' My point is that we need info to get the game going. Otherwise we would be stuck and sitting in ducks, thus giving mafia even more advantage than with having Day 1 lynch. If we hadn't lynched anyone D1, we could have easily gotten information from quests and who's buying what items from the shop. That magnifying glass would have been extremely useful to figure out who bought those potions. .-. I don't know about wen being mafia aligned like Gwendolly said. The text was blue, though that really doesn't say much lol I totally didn't suggest that. You could've done that then, lmao. Or did you spend your gil already? |
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Karote said: Or did you spend your gil already? lol xD |
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Karote said: I totally didn't suggest that. You could've done that then, lmao. Or did you spend your gil already? I am sick most of yesterday and today with a stomach virus, as I've pointed out before, so I was not paying good enough attention to do it before the shop closed. |
Holocaster said: Karote said: I totally didn't suggest that. You could've done that then, lmao. Or did you spend your gil already? I am sick most of yesterday and today with a stomach virus, as I've pointed out before, so I was not paying good enough attention to do it before the shop closed. I see, hope you recover from it and feel better soon! |
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I was focusing too much on Denja the other day, so I cant really look at the whole picture for now. Like I said I will backtrack this evening and then see if I can find a new clue or some sorts. Thanks again for summarizing it up. |
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What are your thoughts so far then? Would be nice to have some fresh mindset in here. |
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Lord_Sithis said: coromandel said: What I mean is, you believed in Denja's claim, which would automatically make Holo town. But you think Holo is mafia. So you don't believe in Denja's claim.It's not a contradiction when you change your mind. Well, I guess it doesn't matter anymore since Denja died. Unless it's fake. When Denja said that everyone on reynii's train is town, I came to the conclusion that, if Holo was mafia, mafia would have been on reyinii's train to save him. So you're right, at first I assumed that Holo had to be town. You're mixing things up though. - I believed Denja all the time - I never doubted his claim. - Reyinii was lynched with 5 votes, Holo had 3 votes. And at first I assumed that, if Holo was mafia, mafia would have been on reyinii's train too. So after Denja claimed, I quickly assumed Holo had to be town. - After Claire asked me about it, I realized that Holo could still be mafia though - even if no mafia had been on reiynii's train. Reason: Maybe there were already enough townies on reyinii's train, and the mafia didn't bother voting for reyinii because Holo was saved by the townies anyway. I never doubted Denja's claim, but where my opinion had changed was, that I started to doubt my own opinion about mafia/no mafia being on the opposite train. I realized that my previous assumption wasn't sound and that Holo could still be mafia. |
| Ok sorry guys can’t post much more until later tonight. I’ve only skimmed the new Day 3 posts so far and here are my thoughts atm. First off you’re wondering why Denja was bluffing, I think I know, I had an inkling he might have been trying to do this yesterday. I believe the idea was to test whether or not he was right by observing the scum’s nightkills. If there were indeed no scum on the Reiynii wagon, then the scum would naturally want to kill the people on the wagon to eliminate the confirmed town. Otherwise they wouldn’t want to because they’d know Denja is lying and doing that would just narrow down suspects for him to find that scum member. As we can see BOTH deaths today were from that wagon, based on that I think the two surviving members, Suzune and Claire, are clear. Day · 1 reiynii (5) | aa-dono, VladWolfsbane, DenjaX, Suzune-chan, _Claire_ Holocaster (3) | wen294, CorruptedPurity,Togs aa-dono (2) | Lamby, Lupadim Lord_Sithis (2) | Tingle, coromandel Tingle (2) | Gwendolly, Karote Coromandel (2) | ZombieWolf2508, LordSithis Gwendolly (1) | | reiynii wen294 (1) | Holocaster SightlessReality (1) | SightlessReality Not Voting: Sodalicious_, TheConquerer, thegoliath Day · 2 Holocaster (4) | CorruptedPurity, aa-dono, coromandel, wen294 Karote (2) | Karote, Holocaster CorruptedPurity (2) | ZombieWolf2508, DenjaX DenjaX (2) | grrr, Gwendolly Gwendolly (2) | Claire_, Togs Tingle (1) | SightlessReality No one (1) | lupadim Not Voting: Lamby , Lord_Sithis, TheConquerer, Tingle, thegoliath , Suzune-chan Both end of day wagons so far have been all-town in my opinion. Now when there is an all town wagon, where do you find the scum ? Usually off in god-knows-whereville, trying to look busy while letting the town lynch themselves. Gwen has totally been all about that every EoD she has popped in, placed a vote on someone with a 0% chance of being lynched and left it at that - very suspect behavior. Gwendolly said: Yea, wen had some kind of important role that cant be displayed yet? Dont ask me which one, I'm not that familiar with roles yet :P And that potion can only be used on someone else as far as I know, so it wouldnt make much sense for a townie to use it. As for Holo not being lynched. I'm not sure what happened. But since I assume wen was scum I think there's another scum on that train, with aa-dono being town. So it looks like manipulation in my eyes and maybe holo had just that ability to get help from a goddess, maybe she's Yuna :P On top of that this post just looks terrible. When scum have an opportunity to hide information from the town, they just love to try to spread misinformation to make the town more confused (for example I was scum in Danganronpa mafia where we did this). This post seems to me like some kind of predetermined plan where the scum use the janitor potion on Wen and try to spread the rumor that he was a scum member. vote: Gwendolly |
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| seems like Gwendoly and Coro are fighting so I guess one could be scum, not that I have the time to check whos points are more fair tbh but vote Gwendoly |
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ππ Vote Count 3.2 π coromandel (2)π | |π Holocaster, Lupadim π π gwendolly (2)π | |π Togs , TheConquerer π π ZombieWolf2508 (1)π | |π coromandel π π SightlessReality (1)π | |π _Claire_ π π KOtA (1)π | |π gwendolly π π Not Voting π:| | π CorruptedPurity , grrr , Lamby , Lord_Sithis ,SightlessReality,ZombieWolf2508, Karote, Tingle, KOtA, Suzune-chan π |
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| Wait, is TheConquerer claiming miller too? If he is then he is probably the mafia, not coromandel |
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| TheConquerer, Lamby and Sightless haven't been active at all, + KOtA is replacing thegoliath = 4 players I can't read. I expect at least Lamby to be replaced/modkilled soon. Grrr - He's being his usual self and I can't read him at all. The only thing I remember is how he's constantly asking people for their abilities @grrr it's time to be a little more serious, don't you think? I want to know who you suspect and why. Lupadim - Funny how he was far more active during night 2 than during all day phases combined. His bite has healed apparently. :P Votes for the most obvious target - it's convenient for scum to vote for the Miller imo. And yet, I've seen him play as scum before and he was being more clever back then. So I'm thinking he's town, even though his actions are eyebrow-raising. Tingle - For some reason I was scum-reading her a little during day 1, but that has changed a little. Neutral, slight town-read maybe..? Holocaster - Maybe he's really convinced I'm bad and is just having a different opinion on how to play these sort of games. I do apologize because after re-reading day 2, I realized that he did share his thoughts, and his opinion during day 2 was to lynch someone who's barely posted + wasn't being productive. In hindsight his opinons weren't all that bad. Then there was the day 2 no-lynch. He was saved by someone's ability, but it wasn't his own apparently. What are the possibilities? Saved by townie (then the townie would have said something by now, imo), saved by scum (won't speak up, obviously), or his own ability (he denied this). I'm thinking it was his own ability, but he's afraid to admit it. Anyway, it's fishy. Neutral-scummy @Holocaster I want to know who you'd be voting for right now if it wasn't for me or CP? Gwendolly - There are some posts that make me think she was hinting at her role and is town. But she rarely shares her thoughts on other players and seems to stay in the background a lot - both when it comes to voting, and sharing her reads. Neutral-scummy. Lord_Sithis - I'm under the impression that he's a bit paranoid, he's even scared of Denja because he might be scum and still alive.. So I'm starting to see him as a townie with paranoid tendencies. Suzune-chan - I was town-reading her during day 1, but now it's a neutral read. I'm waiting for her to post more and give an updated reads list. ZombieWolf2508 - I remember posts where he said not to trust claims too easily, but that's about it. Lurking scum, maybe? I'd like to know who he suspects and why. Scummy Lupadim, Grrr, [Sightless - don't know whether I should count his behavior as anti-town or simply inactive, it's a hybrid between the two >.>] Neutral-Scummy ZombieWolf, Gwendolly, Holocaster Neutral / don't know Tingle, Suzune From experience, I'd say that the players who seem the most scummy, aren't actually bad. So the players I'm interested in are "neutral-scummy" Zombiewolf, Gwendolly, Holocaster. And maybe also Suzune and Tingle. |
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Lord_Sithis said: coromandel said: You're making no sense. Do you want me to re-read until I find the post where you say you think Holo is town because of Denja's claim? And the other post when you vote for Holo and say they're mafia? I can quote those two posts. You did contradict yourself, Denja himself pointed it out.When Denja said that everyone on reynii's train is town, I came to the conclusion that, if Holo was mafia, mafia would have been on reyinii's train to save him. So you're right, at first I assumed that Holo had to be town. You're mixing things up though. - I believed Denja all the time - I never doubted his claim. - Reyinii was lynched with 5 votes, Holo had 3 votes. And at first I assumed that, if Holo was mafia, mafia would have been on reyinii's train too. So after Denja claimed, I quickly assumed Holo had to be town. - After Claire asked me about it, I realized that Holo could still be mafia though - even if no mafia had been on reiynii's train. Reason: Maybe there were already enough townies on reyinii's train, and the mafia didn't bother voting for reyinii because Holo was saved by the townies anyway. I never doubted Denja's claim, but where my opinion had changed was, that I started to doubt my own opinion about mafia/no mafia being on the opposite train. I realized that my previous assumption wasn't sound and that Holo could still be mafia. I know exactly what I said - but the point is I was thinking Holo was town FIRST, and then changed my mind about it. jeezus And I just explained *why* I changed my mind. q_q |
lupadim said: Wait, is TheConquerer claiming miller too? If he is then he is probably the mafia, not coromandel ? I don't see a claim. |
coromandel said: @Holocaster I want to know who you'd be voting for right now if it wasn't for me or CP? I'd vote for claire or sightless. Claire because of that last minute vote on reiynii, and Sightless because of his absolute lack to contribute anything but fluffy posts. He said he'd start getting serious (not sure where that quote is) but has yet to say anything helpful. |
Karote said: I see, hope you recover from it and feel better soon! Thank you~ |
Lord_Sithis said: coromandel said: OK. You just said "I believed Denja all the time - I never doubted his claim." Fun thing, Denja's claim "confirms" Holo is town. Here, you just contradict yourself again.I know exactly what I said - but the point is I was thinking Holo was town FIRST, and then changed my mind about it. jeezus And I just explained *why* I changed my mind. q_q I guess it doesn't matter anymore since Denja was lying and died. Why did he lie if he was town? Or maybe his flip is false. This is bastard. There's even the chance he never died. In fact, you know that very well from previous games :) - Holo was not cleared by Denja's claim she wasn't on the wagon - The most likely reason why Denja bluffed is outlined in my post above |
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Lord_Sithis said: coromandel said: OK. You just said "I believed Denja all the time - I never doubted his claim." Fun thing, Denja's claim "confirms" Holo is town. Here, you just contradict yourself again.I know exactly what I said - but the point is I was thinking Holo was town FIRST, and then changed my mind about it. jeezus And I just explained *why* I changed my mind. q_q I guess it doesn't matter anymore since Denja was lying and died. Why did he lie if he was town? Or maybe his flip is false. This is bastard. There's even the chance he never died. In fact, you know that very well from previous games :) Zorin Blitz from Favorites mafia had an extemely rare ability, I've never seen anything like it, not even in a bastard game. Denja lied about his ability, but I believe he is now dead and was a townie. Fun thing, Denja's claim "confirms" Holo is town. How does Denja's claim confirm Holo's town? I know I assumed this at first, but then realized it's actually not true. It's a faulty logical conclusion. Here, you just contradict yourself again. *cries* q_q |
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Gwendolly said: What are your thoughts so far then? Would be nice to have some fresh mindset in here. lets see , so far townies have been missing the lynch votes , that mean either tha scumies playing them good , or the towneis aren't trying hard (and i dont include myself yet , bc this is my first day) but i still need a bit more to give my opinion on people , if you got a question for me just tag me |
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Togs said: Ok sorry guys can’t post much more until later tonight. I’ve only skimmed the new Day 3 posts so far and here are my thoughts atm. First off you’re wondering why Denja was bluffing, I think I know, I had an inkling he might have been trying to do this yesterday. I believe the idea was to test whether or not he was right by observing the scum’s nightkills. If there were indeed no scum on the Reiynii wagon, then the scum would naturally want to kill the people on the wagon to eliminate the confirmed town. Otherwise they wouldn’t want to because they’d know Denja is lying and doing that would just narrow down suspects for him to find that scum member. As we can see BOTH deaths today were from that wagon, based on that I think the two surviving members, Suzune and Claire, are clear. Day · 1 reiynii (5) | aa-dono, VladWolfsbane, DenjaX, Suzune-chan, _Claire_ Holocaster (3) | wen294, CorruptedPurity,Togs aa-dono (2) | Lamby, Lupadim Lord_Sithis (2) | Tingle, coromandel Tingle (2) | Gwendolly, Karote Coromandel (2) | ZombieWolf2508, LordSithis Gwendolly (1) | | reiynii wen294 (1) | Holocaster SightlessReality (1) | SightlessReality Not Voting: Sodalicious_, TheConquerer, thegoliath Day · 2 Holocaster (4) | CorruptedPurity, aa-dono, coromandel, wen294 Karote (2) | Karote, Holocaster CorruptedPurity (2) | ZombieWolf2508, DenjaX DenjaX (2) | grrr, Gwendolly Gwendolly (2) | Claire_, Togs Tingle (1) | SightlessReality No one (1) | lupadim Not Voting: Lamby , Lord_Sithis, TheConquerer, Tingle, thegoliath , Suzune-chan Both end of day wagons so far have been all-town in my opinion. Now when there is an all town wagon, where do you find the scum ? Usually off in god-knows-whereville, trying to look busy while letting the town lynch themselves. Gwen has totally been all about that every EoD she has popped in, placed a vote on someone with a 0% chance of being lynched and left it at that - very suspect behavior. Gwendolly said: Yea, wen had some kind of important role that cant be displayed yet? Dont ask me which one, I'm not that familiar with roles yet :P And that potion can only be used on someone else as far as I know, so it wouldnt make much sense for a townie to use it. As for Holo not being lynched. I'm not sure what happened. But since I assume wen was scum I think there's another scum on that train, with aa-dono being town. So it looks like manipulation in my eyes and maybe holo had just that ability to get help from a goddess, maybe she's Yuna :P On top of that this post just looks terrible. When scum have an opportunity to hide information from the town, they just love to try to spread misinformation to make the town more confused (for example I was scum in Danganronpa mafia where we did this). This post seems to me like some kind of predetermined plan where the scum use the janitor potion on Wen and try to spread the rumor that he was a scum member. vote: Gwendolly Interesting observation but why do you make it look like I'm the only one doing that? I dont really have heavy scum reads on anybody right now, so Id rather look at people who think are save for that day and then see how they react. And wow after Togs read on me Conquerer pops up to vote for me too without looking thoroughly into it. <-- Any connection there guys? And sooorry that I dont sound like an expert yet x) 3 people died, 2 of them were town its natural to ask about the third covered body and its still pretty obvious he was scum, dont you agree? Do you think wen was scum? |
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TheConquerer said: seems like Gwendoly and Coro are fighting so I guess one could be scum, not that I have the time to check whos points are more fair tbh but vote Gwendoly this interesting , day 2 coro and Sithis been doing exactly what coro and gwen doing right now , but you didn't read scum on them that time , but why this time ? |
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coromandel said: Vote Change: Gwendolly Havent read your reasoning yet, but your vote popped up while refreshing. But my first thoughts were: Seems like you're voting for me now, because you desperately want to be saved? |
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Gwendolly said: coromandel said: Vote Change: Gwendolly Havent read your reasoning yet, but your vote popped up while refreshing. But my first thoughts were: Seems like you're voting for me now, because you desperately want to be saved? Vote: Gwendolly |
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Gwendolly said: coromandel said: Vote Change: Gwendolly Havent read your reasoning yet, but your vote popped up while refreshing. But my first thoughts were: Seems like you're voting for me now, because you desperately want to be saved? Since there are other selfclaimed scums on your list, yet I was chosen -> Thoughts confirmed. @coromandel Now why do you want to be saved so desperately? You claimed even-miller right? Can you explain me that role? Cant find it on wikia. |
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| Ugg, -punches Holo in their face- |
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SightlessReality said: Ugg, -punches Holo in their face- das r00d |
Karote said: Gwendolly said: Havent read your reasoning yet, but your vote popped up while refreshing. But my first thoughts were: Seems like you're voting for me now, because you desperately want to be saved? Vote: Gwendolly Lol why? |
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| @Karote , @TheConquerer , @coromandel you guys look like you're jumping on a vote train |
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| Since, I ended up living tonight, I'll follow my word and take the game more seriously. But don't be calling me out cause I'm inactive. I'v got work which means I'll never be around for EOD at least until the weekend. |
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