Gwendolly said: If you are town: Is it because you think a scum would stay away from all that trouble? Or why do you suspect me all of a sudden? Indeed you not wanting to be on my wagon makes me suspicious that you are trying to avoid being in my omnislash range. I'm suspecting you because.. well everyone else is practically confirmed. Sightless claimed vig which was proven, Coro claimed miller which was proven. TheConquerer claimed the ability that stopped last Night's nightkill, and I believe Sithis's claim. That leaves just you and Karote in the PoE, and I'm starting to reconsider Karote because of his claim too.. A claim from you could be pretty helpful right now actually. And a vote on me of course. |
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Lord_Sithis said: SightlessReality said: Indeed, that's what I thought. But that sounds WAY too OP, even for bastard. But maybe this is a bastard bastard.Well the thing is, we don't all need to be on their train to get them lynched. They claimed that they can kill one person that's on their wagon. However, the thing that bugs me the most is that they want everyone on their wagon. To me that screams that rather then kill one person they kill everyone. Which would ultimately mean town would lose or scum would win as a 2nd scum could jump off at the last second or never vote on them to begin with. But we can't rule out the possibility that he's bluffing in a desperate attempt to save himself. We already have enough people on the wagon for them to be lynched as is. Even we accounted for 2 scum jumping off. Since 2 scum jumping off would still leave 3 votes on them. Additionally if they are a bomb & those 3 die along with them. We still have 4 people left to lynch the remaining scum. |
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Togs said: Gwendolly said: If you are town: Is it because you think a scum would stay away from all that trouble? Or why do you suspect me all of a sudden? Indeed you not wanting to be on my wagon makes me suspicious that you are trying to avoid being in my omnislash range. I'm suspecting you because.. well everyone else is practically confirmed. Sightless claimed vig which was proven, Coro claimed miller which was proven. TheConquerer claimed the ability that stopped last Night's nightkill, and I believe Sithis's claim. That leaves just you and Karote in the PoE, and I'm starting to reconsider Karote because of his claim too.. A claim from you could be pretty helpful right now actually. And a vote on me of course. Yea, I wasnt really sure when to claim or to claim at all (while mafia still being alive) well they probably cant get me anyway now, I guess I have no choice now. You may have noticed, I was being pretty neutral the whole time, trying to get into everyones good shoes and thats why you probably got a strong town vibe from me and some dont <.<. I'm third party. If one alignment wins, I win too. I'm trying to get rid of scum now, so I dont want you to mess it up for me(I came so far in this game, it still surprises me xD but now I dont want to lose). I can help town with my LB that I can finally use next phase (well maybe we dont need to use it at all), so I wont fullclaim for now, just that you know I'm some kind of survivor. The solitary girl. |
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coromandel said: I actually prepared a case against him I wanted to post before phase change but forgot. x3 Here it is: [size=90]Why Tingle/Togs could be mafia [1] The last few minutes from day 2 are interesting: Claire: "I think its much better to get Gwen, and focus on Karote/Holo next day phase." https://xss.now.cc/forum/?topicid=1555461&show=600#msg47935930 Holocaster had the most votes before phase change - it was hard to say who'd be lynched in the end. What I missed the first time I re-read was what Tingle tried to do: Holo had 4 votes and was leading, but then wen changed his vote. Holo and Karote now both had 3 votes. Tingle then voted for Karote! But shortly before she made her post, wen had changed his vote once again, back to Holo. Tingle unvoted. In the end, the day ended in a tie and no one was lynched (I'm assuming it was the Vote Freezer's doing). But Tingle might have tried to save Holo there. I can't say I completely know Tingle was doing.. but going from her comment here I think she might have been trying to prevent a tie. Her panicked reaction at the deadline is also pretty nautral.. in fact if she was scum working with the vote manipulator she probably could have gotten a mislynch off by not unvoting. [2] In this post, Tingle was kind of defending Suzune. https://xss.now.cc/forum/?topicid=1555461&show=1550#msg47983601 "The train on Suzune is justified, although there are some things I'm kinda iffy about. I don't believe two scum would work together to frame a player like that, making themselves vulnerable like that. If Suzune is third party, it would clear there name. If Suzune is mafia, it would clear their name. But if Suzune is town, it would raise some high suspiscion and they're most likely dead. If this lynch goes through and Suzune turns out to be third party, I don't want us to completely defied our eyes from Lupa and Togs. If Suzune is mafia I don't want us to completely forget about them either. As this is a crazy setup, and I migth be reading too much into it, but it could be three scum setting this up to clear their own names. I don't suspect this tactic to be a thing tho, unless performed by a mad man. That Zombie fell sick after visiting is just a littlebit too convenient in my eyes. Which confirms even more to me that this might be a setup. I am not saying that Zombie is one of the masterminds behind that setup tho. " Ehh maybe I could see it that way. But Suzune was doing a pretty good job of acting townie despite the pressure while also being mechanically caught as well. It makes sense to me at least that Tingle would think of another possibility to resolve that contradiction, that Suzune is neutral or being framed. [3] This is probably a pretty worthless piece of info but during the soundtrack quest, Tingle, Claire and Holo all voted for the same song. >.> Well I got nothing to say about that really. Although since Lupa was all over that quest with making sure the scum didn't vote their own song through, I feel like the scum wouldn't be very inclined to all vote the same way. [4] Togs: "vote: Grrr I feel better about lynching him than Kota since Kota's wagon had the makings of a counterwagon to Suzune." https://xss.now.cc/forum/?topicid=1555461&show=1900#msg48017259 After Togs replaced in, he started to defend Claire and even though he agreed KOtA was scummy, he definitely tried to push Grrr's tynch instead. I pushed Grrr for a couple reasons. First off at the time I was really thinking that both Grrr and Kota were probably scum, I was mainly suspecting them for both pushing TheConquerer as a counterwagon. The things that made me decide to push Grrr were the fact that Suzune pushed Kota over me the previous Day, and the fact that Grrr was posting "actively" in the thread while deliberately avoiding posting opinions. I was paranoid that he was trying to avoid being read by avoiding playing the game, and I wanted to pressure him into making more tangible posts. [5] What's even more suspicious is how he constantly defended Rinto/Claire - his main argument was that Claire's reaction after his lynch seemed genuine. But did he really believe she's town based on JUST this one reaction? He literally posted 3 links to Claire's posts, and that was the basis for his whole town read: https://xss.now.cc/forum/?topicid=1555461&show=2100#msg48039478 Those 3 posts apparently were so brilliant that they made him brush aside all the hard evidence suggesting Claire's mafia . . . Like her constantly being on opposite trains when scum was lynched. This kind of behavior weighs so much more than just a few posts someone makes after a townie's death. Scum can write whatever they want after a lynch, but when they vote, that's when they show their true colors. "I don't know I've seen a lot of post-mislynch reactions in my time and I've never seen a scum who could fake something like that. Normally I would be voting Claire for the contradiction but.. I feel like all the town is lying to each other this game. -_- I mean you even said above that you fake claimed roleblocker ? I feel like if Rinto was scum too his team would fill him in on what he claimed like Suzune felt to me like she planned out her fakeclaim at length and she seems like someone who would keep the scum chat active, if Claire decided to fakeclaim surely there must be signs in the chat somewhere and Rinto would figure it out. I'm gonna be honest though Rinto could still very well be scum since there's presumably 2 left and I have varying townreads on everyone but Karote which means that I have to be wrong somewhere. But I just can't see a permutation where Karote is town." https://xss.now.cc/forum/?topicid=1555461&show=2100#msg48039780 1] "I don't know I've seen a lot of post-mislynch reactions in my time and I've never seen a scum who could fake something like that." Referring to this post, with Claire's post-lynch reactions: https://xss.now.cc/forum/?topicid=1555461&show=2100#msg48039478 I call bs on this. She posted standard post-lynch reactions, of course these can be faked. 2] I never lied about any of my abilities. I never lied about roleblocks! Here, he's trying to play down the fact that Claire lied several times! He also ignores my argument, that one of her lies helped KOtA. I said this: "She literally made up a message to make KOtA appear innocent!" But he straight up ignored this part of my comment. [b]All in all: Togs replied to my posts regarding Claire/Rinto, but I could tell his "read" on Rinto hadn't changed one bit. It felt as if he was trying to play down Claire's/Rinto's scumminess. Yeah, I made a big mistake misreading Claire this game. I just really thought that there's no way she would push me when she knew I wouldn't be able to respond, and also push me in such an obviously weak and wrong way. In my experience scum don't like to be proven directly wrong. I also thought replacing out afterwards might have been because of her feeling guilty too. I was just really tunneled on the idea that she was town. But really, think about this. Rinto was at like 6 votes at that time I think ? What scum buddy does NOT bus him at that time ?? Seriously think about my position in the thread, I was pretty universally townread. Would I really put my position as deep scum in jeapordy, just to try to save my teammate with almost the entire living town voting against him ? It doesn't fit a scum profile at all. The reason I posted my opinion of him, which turned out to be proven wrong really shortly afterward, is because it really was my opinion. I wasn't trying to convince anyone to abruptly move off him, I was just posting my honest thoughts in the thread. Yeah I was wrong about him and tunnelled as hell, but I can tell you right now that I 100% would have bussed the hell out of him if I was his buddy. I bought another Paralyze Potion tonight and used it on Togs this time.[/b][/size] You probably realized this already but jut for posterity, Conquerer claimed to protect you from abilities last Night which I think is probably why no nightkill occured. |
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Togs said: I took a step back from this game to reevaluate it since after Rinto's flip I'm less confident in my behavioral reading.. I think from here I should try to figure things out by sticking mainly to interactions and poe. Here's my view of the gamestate right now: Definitely Town Coromandel - confirmed town for pushing on Claire Sightless - confirmed role Almost Certainly Town TheConquerer - his claimed ability is what I think stopped last Night's kill. Also, there's negative motivation for him to fakeclaim that as it waaay better for scum to let people think it was because I was roleblocked. Suspects Gwendolly Karote Lord_Sithis I'm certain that the last scum has to be here. Gwendolly - I think I'm kind of inclined to believe her claim, just because there's been no other neutrals revealed or claimed.. in a large setup like this I don't think our host could resist putting at least one in. Outside of modgaming though, I am still suspicious because if Gwen is the last scum this is one of the few things she could have claimed to escape my ability. Karote - His claim is actually quite believable with the even Day breadcrumbing. At first I thought since he breadcrumbed Day 2 and Wen died N2 then that proves him as town.. But I'm a little paranoid that there's a scum role that could've rolecopped Wen N1 and then janitored him N2, after all the Kefka role had a bunch of 1-shot abilities too.. Occam's razor does say though that I should just take the breadcumb at face value. But then again if I follow Occam's razor then I guess NO ONE would be scum and that can't be possible. Lord_Sithis - I've changed my thinking about Sithis. I thought more about his interactions with Suzune which I previously thought made him town, but they are all actually "softball" interactions, Suzune called him out but never put any pressure on him.. His ability is also unproven, it could easily be a fakeclaim or Wen's ability. It is also weird that he didn't get poisoned after claiming to target Suzune.. What does give me pause is his interactions with Rinto at the previous day end, especially this post. But after Rinto's flip I'm not as willing to trust my behavior reads that much anymore this game. change vote: Lord Sithis He's my top suspect at the moment. But I really need to reread the thread again and look for interactions between the flipped scum and the three remaining suspects.. I really hope I can get the time to do that before the Day end. You're changing sides more than a girl can change her panties. So you just believe conquerers half-assed claim over mine and trying to convince yourself and others that no nightkill accured due to him? We dont have any proof of that yet. We dont even know what he is yet. |
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Gwendolly said: You're changing sides more than a girl can change her panties. So you just believe conquerers half-assed claim over mine and trying to convince yourself and others that no nightkill accured due to him? We dont have any proof of that yet. We dont even know what he is yet. There's a reason girls change their pantsu and that's because the old ones get dirty. It's the same way here, I changed my mind and my thinking because what I was doing previously wasn't getting me anywhere. As for Conq I think his claim makes a lot of sense. After Coro's case against Rinto there's no way the scum would let them live, I bet they were looking to kill Coro all game but were avoiding them because of the doctor. But since Grrr just flipped the previous Night they saw it as their chance. And Conqeror claimed to use a limit break that prevents kills on Coro. It's a really simple and really the only good explaination for last Night and in my eyes his role is pretty much proven. I don't think he can be scum after this just from this mechanical situation. |
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Togs said: Gwendolly said: You're changing sides more than a girl can change her panties. So you just believe conquerers half-assed claim over mine and trying to convince yourself and others that no nightkill accured due to him? We dont have any proof of that yet. We dont even know what he is yet. There's a reason girls change their pantsu and that's because the old ones get dirty. It's the same way here, I changed my mind and my thinking because what I was doing previously wasn't getting me anywhere. As for Conq I think his claim makes a lot of sense. After Coro's case against Rinto there's no way the scum would let them live, I bet they were looking to kill Coro all game but were avoiding them because of the doctor. But since Grrr just flipped the previous Night they saw it as their chance. And Conqeror claimed to use a limit break that prevents kills on Coro. It's a really simple and really the only good explaination for last Night and in my eyes his role is pretty much proven. I don't think he can be scum after this just from this mechanical situation. Yes, what you were doing previously was getting you lynched lol and you're probably just trying to get out of it now. We dont know if mafia wanted to target coro. Maybe he said that to have a clean record. I won't believe until full claim. |
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| wait Im confused, Is togs scum or not? Whats going on? Also I could roleclaim but idk why I would, Its not gonna prove anything. And you've clearly shown you're not town Gwen, but does that mean you're not a threat? |
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grrr said: Does anyone keep a list of the claims so far. I might backread later, but I am a bit lazy now. Togs - Claims Cloud Strife, Even-Night bulletproof. LImit Break is a vengeful town passive. Gwendolly - Claims Eiko Carol, neutral survivor. Limit break can "help town" Karote - Claims Zack Fair, Even-Day lynchproof. Limit break "levels up" a player when he dies. Lord Sithis - Claims Bartz Klauser, copy cat master. Says he copied Reiynii's role (redirector) The Conquerer - Claims to have used a limit break that prevents all other Night actions on a person on Coro. Coro - Claims Even-Night Miller Sightless - Claims 2-shot vigilante. Limit break lets him steal items. TheConquerer said: wait Im confused, Is togs scum or not? Whats going on? Also I could roleclaim but idk why I would, Its not gonna prove anything. And you've clearly shown you're not town Gwen, but does that mean you're not a threat? I am not, but don't take my or anyone else's word for it. Read Coro's case on me and my response to their case above then come to your own conclusions. |
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TheConquerer said: wait Im confused, Is togs scum or not? Whats going on? Also I could roleclaim but idk why I would, Its not gonna prove anything. And you've clearly shown you're not town Gwen, but does that mean you're not a threat? That's what we're trying to find out. Itll clear up things for sure if you claim and if you were able to use that ability more often or no (like did you use it on previous nights)t etc. I was on no ones side at the beginning, but I'm helping town now. |
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Gwendolly said: Togs said: I took a step back from this game to reevaluate it since after Rinto's flip I'm less confident in my behavioral reading.. I think from here I should try to figure things out by sticking mainly to interactions and poe. Here's my view of the gamestate right now: Definitely Town Coromandel - confirmed town for pushing on Claire Sightless - confirmed role Almost Certainly Town TheConquerer - his claimed ability is what I think stopped last Night's kill. Also, there's negative motivation for him to fakeclaim that as it waaay better for scum to let people think it was because I was roleblocked. Suspects Gwendolly Karote Lord_Sithis I'm certain that the last scum has to be here. Gwendolly - I think I'm kind of inclined to believe her claim, just because there's been no other neutrals revealed or claimed.. in a large setup like this I don't think our host could resist putting at least one in. Outside of modgaming though, I am still suspicious because if Gwen is the last scum this is one of the few things she could have claimed to escape my ability. Karote - His claim is actually quite believable with the even Day breadcrumbing. At first I thought since he breadcrumbed Day 2 and Wen died N2 then that proves him as town.. But I'm a little paranoid that there's a scum role that could've rolecopped Wen N1 and then janitored him N2, after all the Kefka role had a bunch of 1-shot abilities too.. Occam's razor does say though that I should just take the breadcumb at face value. But then again if I follow Occam's razor then I guess NO ONE would be scum and that can't be possible. Lord_Sithis - I've changed my thinking about Sithis. I thought more about his interactions with Suzune which I previously thought made him town, but they are all actually "softball" interactions, Suzune called him out but never put any pressure on him.. His ability is also unproven, it could easily be a fakeclaim or Wen's ability. It is also weird that he didn't get poisoned after claiming to target Suzune.. What does give me pause is his interactions with Rinto at the previous day end, especially this post. But after Rinto's flip I'm not as willing to trust my behavior reads that much anymore this game. change vote: Lord Sithis He's my top suspect at the moment. But I really need to reread the thread again and look for interactions between the flipped scum and the three remaining suspects.. I really hope I can get the time to do that before the Day end. You're changing sides more than a girl can change her panties. So you just believe conquerers half-assed claim over mine and trying to convince yourself and others that no nightkill accured due to him? We dont have any proof of that yet. We dont even know what he is yet. How can you suspect theConquerer? 2 (!) scums voted for him D3, they tried to lynch him instead of Holo. And D4, he was close to lynching Suzune. You're not acting as if you're on town's side, trying to make people suspect someone who is obviously a townie. |
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Lord_Sithis said: @shadroxx2810 You messed up your Voting count post, the timer is wrong. Not like it's big of a deal, but meh, felt like pointing it out :) Thank you for telling, i would have not noticed otherwise. |
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coromandel said: Gwendolly said: You're changing sides more than a girl can change her panties. So you just believe conquerers half-assed claim over mine and trying to convince yourself and others that no nightkill accured due to him? We dont have any proof of that yet. We dont even know what he is yet. How can you suspect theConquerer? 2 (!) scums voted for him D3, they tried to lynch him instead of Holo. And D4, he was close to lynching Suzune. You're not acting as if you're on town's side, trying to make people suspect someone who is obviously a townie. I dont know, I just set an eye on him ever since he voted for me twice <-- thats all I see. TheConquerer said: Also I could roleclaim but idk why I would, Its not gonna prove anything. He said he could do it, but didnt do it in the end and now he disappeared again.. |
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Alright fixed. Lord_Sithis said: Togs said: LOL that's a big change of mind man. My ability could easily be fake claim? Yeah, sure. It seems you're pretty desperate since your talking about Karote and such things haven't really done anything :)Lord_Sithis - I've changed my thinking about Sithis. I thought more about his interactions with Suzune which I previously thought made him town, but they are all actually "softball" interactions, Suzune called him out but never put any pressure on him.. His ability is also unproven, it could easily be a fakeclaim or Wen's ability. It is also weird that he didn't get poisoned after claiming to target Suzune.. What does give me pause is his interactions with Rinto at the previous day end, especially this post. But after Rinto's flip I'm not as willing to trust my behavior reads that much anymore this game. We'll see. Don't you dare Unvote me though. |
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Lord_Sithis said: So right now Togs has 5 votes and other people have 1. If there are two mafia on Togs train they can jump out and make it a no lynch. Yeah, I think some people are afraid of his ability, but maybe it's just bluffing and that's what he wants. If this ends up being a no lynch this will be really bad. Tell me who are the two scum on my train Sithis. Are they you and Karote ? |
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Lord_Sithis said: So right now Togs has 5 votes and other people have 1. If there are two mafia on Togs train they can jump out and make it a no lynch. Yeah, I think some people are afraid of his ability, but maybe it's just bluffing and that's what he wants. If this ends up being a no lynch this will be really bad. Well town can play the same game too also if Karote jumps off last minute, then thats definitely fishy...not sure if he would take that risk or not |
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Lord_Sithis said: Me? Nah. But I don't know. I never said there were two scum on your train, it's a possibility, I said "if". You can just take a possibility in isolation. What two people could be scum with me in your opinion ? |
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Gwendolly said: TheConquerer said: wait Im confused, Is togs scum or not? Whats going on? Also I could roleclaim but idk why I would, Its not gonna prove anything. And you've clearly shown you're not town Gwen, but does that mean you're not a threat? That's what we're trying to find out. Itll clear up things for sure if you claim and if you were able to use that ability more often or no (like did you use it on previous nights)t etc. I was on no ones side at the beginning, but I'm helping town now. Its my limit break so I need 100xp to do it, my other ability is pointless to reveal unless it was necessary and it hasnt been yet. Im keeping my vote on Togs because they're the one who has the most evidence against them along with their own vote. I really doubt they have some kind of master ability that would turn the tide. The roles havent been that badly distributed in the game. |
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Togs said: I'm certain that the last scum has to be here. Gwendolly - I think I'm kind of inclined to believe her claim, just because there's been no other neutrals revealed or claimed.. in a large setup like this I don't think our host could resist putting at least one in. Outside of modgaming though, I am still suspicious because if Gwen is the last scum this is one of the few things she could have claimed to escape my ability. Karote - His claim is actually quite believable with the even Day breadcrumbing. At first I thought since he breadcrumbed Day 2 and Wen died N2 then that proves him as town.. But I'm a little paranoid that there's a scum role that could've rolecopped Wen N1 and then janitored him N2, after all the Kefka role had a bunch of 1-shot abilities too.. Occam's razor does say though that I should just take the breadcumb at face value. But then again if I follow Occam's razor then I guess NO ONE would be scum and that can't be possible. Lord_Sithis - I've changed my thinking about Sithis. I thought more about his interactions with Suzune which I previously thought made him town, but they are all actually "softball" interactions, Suzune called him out but never put any pressure on him.. His ability is also unproven, it could easily be a fakeclaim or Wen's ability. It is also weird that he didn't get poisoned after claiming to target Suzune.. What does give me pause is his interactions with Rinto at the previous day end, especially this post. But after Rinto's flip I'm not as willing to trust my behavior reads that much anymore this game. +1 Although I suspect Sithis and Gwen more than Karote. Lord_Sithis said: Togs said: I don't know. I said it was a possibility, not that I suspect two people in your train.You can just take a possibility in isolation. What two people could be scum with me in your opinion ? He's asking who you think is scum. Why can't you just answer? Or don't you have *any* idea at all? |
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| Sorry, I wanted to reply more often after this post, but then my phone died. -_- Gwendolly said: TheConquerer said: wait Im confused, Is togs scum or not? Whats going on? Also I could roleclaim but idk why I would, Its not gonna prove anything. And you've clearly shown you're not town Gwen, but does that mean you're not a threat? That's what we're trying to find out. Itll clear up things for sure if you claim and if you were able to use that ability more often or no (like did you use it on previous nights)t etc. I was on no ones side at the beginning, but I'm helping town now. He should *not* fully explain his ability! That'd just give scum an idea of whether he's still a threat to them or not. Why would you even ask this when it's obvious he's town? |
| Also, sorry for not trusting you, Togs.. I really thought you were scum because of how you defended Claire. >.< But I'm confident that we can still win this. 1-2 scums left, and they're probably Gwen and/or Sithis. Or *maybe* Karote, although I doubt it. I was scum-reading these two for the longest time. Karote hasn't given me scum vibes at all. Also, I find it extremely suspicious how Gwen didn't even want to vote for Togs in the first place - after he said he could kill someone on his train. @SightlessReality . . . What about the X-Potion? Gwendolly said: Togs said: Indeed you not wanting to be on my wagon makes me suspicious that you are trying to avoid being in my omnislash range. I'm suspecting you because.. well everyone else is practically confirmed. Sightless claimed vig which was proven, Coro claimed miller which was proven. TheConquerer claimed the ability that stopped last Night's nightkill, and I believe Sithis's claim. That leaves just you and Karote in the PoE, and I'm starting to reconsider Karote because of his claim too.. A claim from you could be pretty helpful right now actually. And a vote on me of course. Yea, I wasnt really sure when to claim or to claim at all (while mafia still being alive) well they probably cant get me anyway now, I guess I have no choice now. You may have noticed, I was being pretty neutral the whole time, trying to get into everyones good shoes and thats why you probably got a strong town vibe from me and some dont <.<. I'm third party. If one alignment wins, I win too. I'm trying to get rid of scum now, so I dont want you to mess it up for me(I came so far in this game, it still surprises me xD but now I dont want to lose). I can help town with my LB that I can finally use next phase (well maybe we dont need to use it at all), so I wont fullclaim for now, just that you know I'm some kind of survivor. The solitary girl. Are you the person responsible for the "storm"? >.> |
coromandel said: Sorry, I wanted to reply more often after this post, but then my phone died. -_- Gwendolly said: That's what we're trying to find out. Itll clear up things for sure if you claim and if you were able to use that ability more often or no (like did you use it on previous nights)t etc. I was on no ones side at the beginning, but I'm helping town now. He should *not* fully explain his ability! That'd just give scum an idea of whether he's still a threat to them or not. Why would you even ask this when it's obvious he's town? Yea I forgot it was his LB, I thought it could help us open up a new path for what happened during the night, allthough I never saw Conquerer doing the quests, so how would he have 100xp to spend. As I said I will read D3 again and try to look at it from another perspective. |
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Gwendolly said: coromandel said: Sorry, I wanted to reply more often after this post, but then my phone died. -_- He should *not* fully explain his ability! That'd just give scum an idea of whether he's still a threat to them or not. Why would you even ask this when it's obvious he's town? Yea I forgot it was his LB, I thought it could help us open up a new path for what happened during the night, allthough I never saw Conquerer doing the quests, so how would he have 100xp to spend. As I said I will read D3 again and try to look at it from another perspective. Nevermind I forgot that you get XP even when doing nothing, which was proven by Karote and Sithis. |
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