logic340 said: is that an option this game? in psychopass it wasn't allowedVote: no lynch as I want to spread awareness about this voting option. If we cannot come to a consensus or something close to it by the end of D1 I think we should discuss this option. |
LucianRoy said: Do as you please. I feel you are misrepresenting what I was doing which makes me feel your early play is leaning more scum than town since you aren't thinking about what I said just labeled it as scum motivated. Can I like, just keep my RVS vote on logic? I think this entire no-lynch thing is misleading the focus from scumhunting in the early game and I don't particularly like that. |
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AbuHumaid said: why does an RVS vote bother you?logic340 said: yeah. No lynch is definitely something I'd rather not vote for so early in the gameI take it this is RVS? How do you feel about the "no lynch" option? |
Kit said: I checked with Shinichi-kun it's an option though due to 72 ours and 10 town to 5 anti town it likely wont be my final voting option. I do however want people to know it's an option a viable and valid one at that. logic340 said: is that an option this game? in psychopass it wasn't allowedVote: no lynch as I want to spread awareness about this voting option. If we cannot come to a consensus or something close to it by the end of D1 I think we should discuss this option. |
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Kit said: This is a great question why is an RVS "No Lynch" vote getting so much attention? Like it's my final vote and that is all I am going to talk about for 72 hours? AbuHumaid said: why does an RVS vote bother you?yeah. No lynch is definitely something I'd rather not vote for so early in the game @LucianRoy is this what you are thinking or do you think that no one should ever discuss no lynch or that there is a time and place and this isn't it? |
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logic340 said: Throw in the towel? I don't see how my vote on No Lynch can be considered throwing in the towel. It's a discussion starter and will hopefully serve to help get us out of RVS. So it was a gambit. Could you elaborate more on this for me. The only time I have seen no lynches happen it was due to town causing them for one reason or another. I have yet to expeience mafia using no lynch in any shape, form, or fashion. I already explained below. LucianRoy said: From my experience mislynches (especially on D1) have not been beneficial to town. So unless town all of a sudden steps up our game compared to what I have been witnessing I think NL D1 is something worth considering if we cannot agree on a valid lynch option. I don't understand why you equate talking about a valid voting option as stifling the game?You know, mislynchs can beneficial to town too in one sense or another. Mafia would probably be much more keen on the idea of stifling information for town, so I could very well see scum jumping at any opportunity to not allow town to see the result of a flip. But that's just me. Your question's a bit of a warp, but ok. We must be talking about two different things here. Let's get specific, a no-lynch at EoD1 produces no new concrete information for town, and the majority of players who aren't power roles would be stuck in the same situation as figuring out who to vote as they were D1. Thus they flounder, and probably end up mislynching D2. They've wasted a day due to lack of information that could've been avoided had they lynched someone who looked scummy. Just this conversation alone has given all the other players something to read me off of so it's pretty much the exact opposite of stifling information? I think you missed the idea of why scum would want a no-lynch at EoD if we're getting specific. Generating discussion around a bunch of theory we seem to regurgitate in the beginning of most games here isn't exactly the best way to start a game, but if this is the kind of "discussion" you want then it certainly does the job. |
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logic340 said: i see. ok, i have been educated.Kit said: I checked with Shinichi-kun it's an option though due to 72 ours and 10 town to 5 anti town it likely wont be my final voting option. I do however want people to know it's an option a viable and valid one at that. is that an option this game? in psychopass it wasn't allowed |
| Everyone can legitimately skip my posts about NL d1 and not have to worry, they're pretty-much NAI. Can we get more votes for logic though, this feels like scum distracting from actual productive stuff we could be doing, like pushing people and lynching scum. logic340 said: @LucianRoy is this what you are thinking or do you think that no one should ever discuss no lynch or that there is a time and place and this isn't it? The time and place to discuss a NL is when there are four players left in the day phase, and one of them is scum. Not in the early game. |
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| @Kit It is. Different games have different voting rules. @logic340 I doubt that even with 72 hours, that we'll be able to pressure all 15 players in the game sufficiently enough to say "Ehh, I've heard enough. Let's remove all pressure votes and wait for Day 2 when we have more information." (Also, using citation is the best way for me atm to explain what's going through my mind) |
LucianRoy said: "My own behavior is NAI so don't scum read me~" I feel so reassured lolEveryone can legitimately skip my posts about NL d1 and not have to worry, they're pretty-much NAI. Can we get more votes for logic though, this feels like scum distracting from actual productive stuff we could be doing, like pushing people and lynching scum. I don't think this is too strange for town logic. I don't really feel it's scummy either, he's mostly just responding to you anyway so I could say the same for you |
Kit said: Can we get more votes for logic though, this feels like scum distracting from actual productive stuff we could be doing, like pushing people and lynching scum. I don't think this is too strange for town logic. I don't really feel it's scummy either, he's mostly just responding to you anyway so I could say the same for youHe started it, mom. |
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LucianRoy said: So it was a gambit. Based on my understanding of the definiotn fo the word Gambit: "an opening in which a player makes a sacrifice, typically of a pawn, for the sake of some compensating advantage." I will say no this was not a gambit this was a conversation started. LucianRoy said: Couldn't already be explained if it is explained below (meaning it came after). But I get what you are saying.I already explained below. LucianRoy said: A no lynch D1 when we are not certain that it is mafia saves a townie life thus making it harder for the mafia to achieve their win condition. Town will still get information off the night kill and any actions that we take. If this was an all vanilla game I would be more apt to not even discuss it or think about it. But just like when you were lynched in Stray Dogs, no lynch might have actually been a better option? Your question's a bit of a warp, but ok. We must be talking about two different things here. Let's get specific, a no-lynch at EoD1 produces no new concrete information for town, and the majority of players who aren't power roles would be stuck in the same situation as figuring out who to vote as they were D1. Thus they flounder, and probably end up mislynching D2. They've wasted a day due to lack of information that could've been avoided had they lynched someone who looked scummy. I also don't agree that there is no information to get off a No Lynch train. If you think it's a scummy move then you have however many people were on that train to look through just like a mislynch train. If someone forces a tie leading to no lynch we also have tangible information there. So I feel like you are trying to fear monger "No lynch" rather than discuss it's merit or lack there of. Again I am going to use personal expeirnce as my guide here. In castle panic we no lynched D1 and lynched Mafia D2 so I have a real scenario that proves your hypothetical one incorrect. LucianRoy said: I want any kind of discussion that isn't centered around mechanics. The mechanics discussion has sunk town D1 multiple time not possible no lynch discussion...lol. Also get specific and tell me what advantages no lynch gives scum D1? How does it help them achieve their win con and how does it help them to hide among the town?I think you missed the idea of why scum would want a no-lynch at EoD if we're getting specific. Generating discussion around a bunch of theory we seem to regurgitate in the beginning of most games here isn't exactly the best way to start a game, but if this is the kind of "discussion" you want then it certainly does the job. |
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Kit said: ugh its too early to be awake vote: floofs that pile of cats must be hiding something also, lol lindsey has some huge character progression in that flavor story Lindsey was one of the first lucky rnged flavor names lol, so she got the big role in the op XD |
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LucianRoy said: I would actually say you have been the one distracting more from actual discussion by coming back to this topic multiple times after I explained myself to you. Everyone can legitimately skip my posts about NL d1 and not have to worry, they're pretty-much NAI. Can we get more votes for logic though, this feels like scum distracting from actual productive stuff we could be doing, like pushing people and lynching scum. LucianRoy said: Care to explain why you feel that is the only time to discuss it? Again from my personal experience lyncing town D1 has more often than not leads to town facing Mylo. You can go through my 20 games look at who talked about no lynch and see what roles actually caused no lynch. Maybe understand where I am coming from instead of just labeling me scum because I you don't agree with me. The time and place to discuss a NL is when there are four players left in the day phase, and one of them is scum. Not in the early game. |
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This is silly and it is not helping the town catch scum. |
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logic340 said: Can I just say something real quick here?I want any kind of discussion that isn't centered around mechanics. The mechanics discussion has sunk town D1 multiple time not possible no lynch discussion... I'm a very mechanical player, so I often start the game by analysing the mechanics in 1 or 2 posts. And then other players come along and use 10 or 20 posts, to discuss how much my mechanic talk is a waste of time, wth?! - This has sorta annoyed me before, so can I please be allowed just a little mechanics talk without getting scolded for it? That said, I don't have much to say about the mechanics since they are pretty standard and it's a (semi-)closed setup. Instead my early tactic is to ask direct questions to different people as good as I can (and pressure voting ofc). (@grrr answer #47) |
logic340 said: LucianRoy said: I would actually say you have been the one distracting more from actual discussion by coming back to this topic multiple times after I explained myself to you. Everyone can legitimately skip my posts about NL d1 and not have to worry, they're pretty-much NAI. Can we get more votes for logic though, this feels like scum distracting from actual productive stuff we could be doing, like pushing people and lynching scum. LucianRoy said: Care to explain why you feel that is the only time to discuss it? Again from my personal experience lyncing town D1 has more often than not leads to town facing Mylo. You can go through my 20 games look at who talked about no lynch and see what roles actually caused no lynch. Maybe understand where I am coming from instead of just labeling me scum because I you don't agree with me. The time and place to discuss a NL is when there are four players left in the day phase, and one of them is scum. Not in the early game. I'm not labelling you scum because we disagree, I'm labeling you scum because your actions aren't scumhunting, and show no town-motivation. |
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Zymf said: Again I feel LucianRoy has made this more than what I intended and has now attributed it to having to be scum play? That's not really alignment indicative for me but I feel like it could be a good place for mafia to push from. Something I will keep in mind.@logic340 I doubt that even with 72 hours, that we'll be able to pressure all 15 players in the game sufficiently enough to say "Ehh, I've heard enough. Let's remove all pressure votes and wait for Day 2 when we have more information." (Also, using citation is the best way for me atm to explain what's going through my mind) Bolded: If we wait until the last second then it will be hard but if we get an understanding now then it be much easier to deal with rather than brining it up at the last minute. |
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Zymf said: logic340 said: Can I just say something real quick here?I want any kind of discussion that isn't centered around mechanics. The mechanics discussion has sunk town D1 multiple time not possible no lynch discussion... I'm a very mechanical player, so I often start the game by analysing the mechanics in 1 or 2 posts. And then other players come along and use 10 or 20 posts, to discuss how much my mechanic talk is a waste of time, wth?! - This has sorta annoyed me before, so can I please be allowed just a little mechanics talk without getting scolded for it? That said, I don't have much to say about the mechanics since they are pretty standard and it's a (semi-)closed setup. Instead my early tactic is to ask direct questions to different people as good as I can (and pressure voting ofc). (@grrr answer #47) So yeah I phrased this incorrectly. There is a way to use mechanics discussion in a beneficial way but I have not really been privy to it in the last few games I have played. Some players strength is mechanics and for people like you and Denja I who's focus is on mechanics to sort out behavior and players I have to view it differently than people like myself and togs or Suzune who are more behavioral. I don't minds some mechanics discussion as it could very well be necessary to win the game. I have to learn how to balance Mechanics with Behavior. So yes you can discuss without being scolded by me. Fair enough I will pressure vote when I feel I have someone to pressure. A pretty much blank RVS isn't applying much pressure, but I will use my vote accordingly when I feel the time is right. LucianRoy said: I can say that your actions aren't scum hunting either tho so does that make us scum buddies? Why aren't you on Abu who placed a random vote said something about me voting no lynch and nothing else? What scum hunting is he doing? What scum hunting ahs anyone done to this point to be honest? Your vote has weak reasoning it was better as an RVS imo.logic340 said: I would actually say you have been the one distracting more from actual discussion by coming back to this topic multiple times after I explained myself to you. Care to explain why you feel that is the only time to discuss it? Again from my personal experience lyncing town D1 has more often than not leads to town facing Mylo. You can go through my 20 games look at who talked about no lynch and see what roles actually caused no lynch. Maybe understand where I am coming from instead of just labeling me scum because I you don't agree with me. I'm not labelling you scum because we disagree, I'm labeling you scum because your actions aren't scumhunting, and show no town-motivation. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Kit said: ugh its too early to be awake vote: floofs that pile of cats must be hiding something also, lol lindsey has some huge character progression in that flavor story Lindsey was one of the first lucky rnged flavor names lol, so she got the big role in the op XD Yey thats me! By the way are we allowed to claim in the game? The rules say only dead people cant claim. But i am alive so i chose to e lidnesday ! |
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Shinichi-Kun said: On this note back to work for a little while. just a reminder if anyone if getting to into the game plz take a step back from the thread for like an hour or 2 lol |
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Shinichi-Kun said: just a reminder if anyone if getting to into the game plz take a step back from the thread for like an hour or 2 lol I am not sure what are you saying but this surely doesnt remainds me of anything! |
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grrr said: Shinichi-Kun said: Lindsey was one of the first lucky rnged flavor names lol, so she got the big role in the op XD Yey thats me! By the way are we allowed to claim in the game? The rules say only dead people cant claim. But i am alive so i chose to e lidnesday ! Your welcome to claim all you want lol |
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Zymf said: Vote: grrr I know that you are prone to fake-claiming, so let me just get this straight.. Once you do claim your real role, will you be able to prove it? vote: zymf |
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grrr said: i dont think there is a rule against it. the flavor names are random/NAI anyway lolShinichi-Kun said: Lindsey was one of the first lucky rnged flavor names lol, so she got the big role in the op XD Yey thats me! By the way are we allowed to claim in the game? The rules say only dead people cant claim. But i am alive so i chose to e lidnesday ! |
Shinichi-Kun said: First vote count won't be for like 6 hours unless someone else does one for me XD just letting you all know. So if anyone wants to keep a tab that be very helpful roy -> logic conq -> roy logic -> no lynch abu -> karote kit -> floofs zymf -> grr grr -> zymf something like that, based on my fantastic memory |
logic340 said: LucianRoy said: I can say that your actions aren't scum hunting either tho so does that make us scum buddies? Why aren't you on Abu who placed a random vote said something about me voting no lynch and nothing else? What scum hunting is he doing? What scum hunting ahs anyone done to this point to be honest? Your vote has weak reasoning it was better as an RVS imo.I'm not labelling you scum because we disagree, I'm labeling you scum because your actions aren't scumhunting, and show no town-motivation. But my actions are scumhunting because I'm pushing someone I'm reading scum because they're currently showing minimal signs of attempting to sort players/develop reads, id est, using their vote. There's nothing wrong with a blank RVS vote, they're supposed to be 'random'. He's using his vote. I'm out of rvs and I happened to go in this direction, what more can I say? |
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Kit said: grrr said: i dont think there is a rule against it. the flavor names are random/NAI anyway lolYey thats me! By the way are we allowed to claim in the game? The rules say only dead people cant claim. But i am alive so i chose to e lidnesday ! Then everyone should tell me their flavor. What is your flavor kit? Tell me. Who are you? |
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LucianRoy said: I am using my vote too just not in a way that you like it. This is my form of scum hunting I make it so that scum would want to find an easy place to push then I wait for them to do so. It has worked really well in the past and though you make me wary it reminds me of how you went at Ruu in Stray Dogs. logic340 said: I can say that your actions aren't scum hunting either tho so does that make us scum buddies? Why aren't you on Abu who placed a random vote said something about me voting no lynch and nothing else? What scum hunting is he doing? What scum hunting ahs anyone done to this point to be honest? Your vote has weak reasoning it was better as an RVS imo. But my actions are scumhunting because I'm pushing someone I'm reading scum because they're currently showing minimal signs of attempting to sort players/develop reads, id est, using their vote. There's nothing wrong with a blank RVS vote, they're supposed to be 'random'. He's using his vote. I'm out of rvs and I happened to go in this direction, what more can I say? Also I don't see your questioning of me as scum hunting I see you misrepresenting what I have stated in a way that allows you to scum read me which looks scum but again is similar to what you did to Ruu in BSD? |
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Unofficial Vote Count by Logic Logic340 (1): LucianRoy LucianRoy (1): TheConquerer No Lynch: Logic340 Karote (1): AbuHumaid grrr (1): Zymf Floofs (1): Kit Zymf (1): grrr Not Voting: lastwhisper31, Karote MrSkittles, Floofs, yurkin, Lamby, Coromandel, RE1031 |
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LucianRoy said: @Grr, what do you learn from collecting flavor names? How exactly does this help you sort out which players are scum vs which are town? Will you pay me for my flavor name? No |
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logic340 said: I am using my vote too Hmmm. just not in a way that you like it. Double Hmmm. This is my form of scum hunting I make it so that scum would want to find an easy place to push then I wait for them to do so. It has worked really well in the past and though you make me wary it reminds me of how you went at Ruu in Stray Dogs. Also I don't see your questioning of me as scum hunting I see you misrepresenting what I have stated in a way that allows you to scum read me which looks scum but again is similar to what you did to Ruu in BSD? Let's cut to the chase then, are you scumreading me? If so, for what reasons? And are you going to vote me? |
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grrr said: thank you grrr. my mind has been cleansedIt Kit said: please don't post gore ever again regardless of if it's real or fake. 1) it makes me really uncomfortable 2) it's against the rules of MAL also i'd appreciate it if you communicate through text in this game and not through images Here some cats to clear your mind kit P.S. : one of the dots is not an eye... |
grrr said: LucianRoy said: @Grr, what do you learn from collecting flavor names? How exactly does this help you sort out which players are scum vs which are town? Will you pay me for my flavor name? No Then you must not want it that badly. If it's of any use to you, I'm Alban Aleksander. |
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grrr said: Shinichi-Kun said: Lindsey was one of the first lucky rnged flavor names lol, so she got the big role in the op XD Yey thats me! By the way are we allowed to claim in the game? The rules say only dead people cant claim. But i am alive so i chose to e lidnesday ! I think that rule was placed to not stagnant the voting in the dead club. Because if everyone knew who each other were, they would just fight and never get a rb through. I believe that when people die we get semi flips, so people could always lie and we would never know. We will probably understand better what the first lynch or death occurs, but I think chad doesnt want people like posting their role pm text by text into the dead chat. |
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grrr said: Logic i havent voted you yet. lol apparently thats not how logic feels |
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grrr said: It Kit said: please don't post gore ever again regardless of if it's real or fake. 1) it makes me really uncomfortable 2) it's against the rules of MAL also i'd appreciate it if you communicate through text in this game and not through images Here some cats to clear your mind kit P.S. : one of the dots is not an eye... noted, thanks grr. |
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