Mini Game V14: The Morning After Final Day GAME OVER (Town Win)

Jul 16, 2017 9:37 AM

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MrSkittles94 said:
It's strange that everyone is on me, I mean I had it coming, I never talked and that for this game is suspect af, but it's fine I guess. You really don't no need to pressure me on anything I understand you just want to push me to out myself. Whisper knows that I'm more cool and collected then that, anyway enough of that I'll look more into Abu before I head off to work today, I won't be on again till little after 7pm EST. Just give y'all the heads up.

Getting really defensive from just 1 vote.
"I understand you just want to push me to out myself" - Nobody said that? Are you fearing this is what it'll come to? (because you do have something to hide)
"I'm more cool and collected then that" - Trying to convince yourself? Or just making up excuses?
Entire post is scummy.

yurkin said:
"what would zymf helping town at this point (since we do need to keep him in mind) look to you?"

I keep him in mind, but i prefer not to wifom myself over zymf, like how theconq did d1, so to speak zymf is not priority today.

This is funny. Are you just copying Logic and Lucian, when they say me and grrr shouldn't be priority today? And what do you mean by "wifom myself over zymf, like how theconq did d1"?

coromandel said:

Floofs said:
I need some clarification on this @Kit @Logic340 @AbuHumaid

This is how I read through this post
(indicates my thoughts)

1. Abu votes for Karote (RVS vote)

2. Logic asks Abu if their vote is RVS and how do they feel about the no lynch option (I don't know why Logic asked if it was an RVS. Seems pretty obvious at this stage of the game. Logic asks Abu about their opinion on no lynch, which is normal, since they have been doing since the beginning of the game.)

3. Abu replies to Logic that it is an RVS vote and no lynch is definitely something they'd rather not vote for so early in the game (Abu gives a straightforward answer to both of logic's questions)

4. Kit says why does an RVS vote bother you (I'm also not entirely sure who this is directed to. I think this directed to Logic since he asked Abu if their vote on Karote is RVS, but Logic's reply to Kit after this doesn't make any sense. I also don't know why logic would be bothered by Abu's RVS. Abu should be using their RVS to start conversation, but I don't find lack of conversation out of Abu's normal play style. Is Kit asking if Logic is bothered by Abu's RVS? Or is Kit saying no lynch as in RVS and asking Abu about their no lynch opinion? If this was directed at Abu it still doesn't make sense since Abu stated their opinion about no lynch and nothing in their reply indicated that they were bothered by it. Or is Kit going off on a weird tangent about the interactions between logic and other players about his no lynch vote? If so that should have been posted in a separate thread since it doesn't follow the flow of the thread)

5. Logic replies to Kit why is an RVS no lynch getting so much attention. Like it's logic's final vote and that is all Logic is going to talk about for 72 hours ( I don't see the progression from Kit asking Logic why they are bothered about Abu's RVS to this reply where logic talks about the attention their no lynch is getting if that's what Kit was talking about. If this was about Abu's no lynch opinion it still doesn't make sense. Why would Logic complain about the attention that their RVS vote is bringing, and then ask Abu about the no lynch option? Abu stated his opinion and didn't ask Logic at all about his no lynch vote so I don't know where this attention is coming from. If logic is referring to conversations with other players thus far, it doesn't belong in this thread)

EDIT: spelling

Floofs said:

I did. The game started at post 32. This is form post number 56. From post 32 of the game to post number 56, TheConquerer did not say anything about no lynch and Laby hasn't post yet. If you are correct in the assumption that Kit was asking Abu why RVS no lynch bothers him, where from post 32 to 56 does Abu seem bothered (worried or upset) by no lynch? Abu stated their opinion. It was something that they would rather not vote for. Just because someone doesn't like to do something, doesn't mean that they expect other people to do the same thing. I don't like to participate in RVS. I'd rather wait to get some reads and then vote on someone. Should I be bothered by anyone who participates in RVS? No. So where does this "bothered" come from because I don't see it

And yes, I agree that it is a conversation starter, but it is an opinionated conversation starter that I don't find alignment indicative. People take a stance on RVS, no lynch or to not participate and state why they think that way. The merit to this conversation is that it gives you an insight to how someone thinks. That is why I think you repeatedly ask this question at the beginning of games.

This makes me think Floofs isn't mafia. (bolded parts)
He kept talking about Kit's question towards Abu, how he thought that it was confusing and/or didn't make sense to Floofs.
This doesn't seem to come from a mafia buddy. Why would he as scum make a bid deal out of 1 sentence and point out Kit's mistake?

@LucianRoy

Quite the contrary, I would argue that scum would point out simple and minor mistakes that their scumbuddies made, rather than larger mistakes. This is to distance one from another, without incriminating eachother to much in the process.
In other words, Floofs tried to distance herself from Kit, by means of a lot of speculation without any strong evidence that others would follow up on.
I see LucianRoy is also not so easily convinced in #996.

LucianRoy said:
Pre-flip associations aren't exactly the most substantial thing to base suspicions off of unfortunately.

You say pre-flip associations aren't substantial.
I think I've alse seen you say that VCA and meta isn't substantial.
Tell me, what IS substantial?

Jul 16, 2017 9:57 AM

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@zymf #1051
"this is funny. are you just copying logic and lucian, when they say me and grrr should't be priority today."

... copying seriously? nope, i think that way why would you consider it copying.

"and what do you mean by "wifom myself over zymf, like how theconq did d1"?"

Theconquirer had focused too much of zymf and grrr. whos lying who is not, for what reason mafia would do that, for what reason town would do this, to the point he was preocuped with that stuff and quite a lot of his posts and interactions were related to you and grr.
I have no intention to put myself in such situation any further than i already did in d1, which there i called "wifom myself over".
Therefore you are not my priority zymf.

If that is not clear enough explanation say so.

Jul 16, 2017 9:59 AM

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Zymf said:

coromandel said:

Floofs said:
I need some clarification on this @Kit @Logic340 @AbuHumaid

logic340 said:

Kit said:

AbuHumaid said:

logic340 said:

AbuHumaid said:
vote: Karote

I take it this is RVS? How do you feel about the "no lynch" option?

yeah. No lynch is definitely something I'd rather not vote for so early in the game

why does an RVS vote bother you?

This is a great question why is an RVS "No Lynch" vote getting so much attention? Like it's my final vote and that is all I am going to talk about for 72 hours?

@LucianRoy is this what you are thinking or do you think that no one should ever discuss no lynch or that there is a time and place and this isn't it?

This is how I read through this post
(indicates my thoughts)

1. Abu votes for Karote (RVS vote)

2. Logic asks Abu if their vote is RVS and how do they feel about the no lynch option (I don't know why Logic asked if it was an RVS. Seems pretty obvious at this stage of the game. Logic asks Abu about their opinion on no lynch, which is normal, since they have been doing since the beginning of the game.)

3. Abu replies to Logic that it is an RVS vote and no lynch is definitely something they'd rather not vote for so early in the game (Abu gives a straightforward answer to both of logic's questions)

4. Kit says why does an RVS vote bother you (I'm also not entirely sure who this is directed to. I think this directed to Logic since he asked Abu if their vote on Karote is RVS, but Logic's reply to Kit after this doesn't make any sense. I also don't know why logic would be bothered by Abu's RVS. Abu should be using their RVS to start conversation, but I don't find lack of conversation out of Abu's normal play style. Is Kit asking if Logic is bothered by Abu's RVS? Or is Kit saying no lynch as in RVS and asking Abu about their no lynch opinion? If this was directed at Abu it still doesn't make sense since Abu stated their opinion about no lynch and nothing in their reply indicated that they were bothered by it. Or is Kit going off on a weird tangent about the interactions between logic and other players about his no lynch vote? If so that should have been posted in a separate thread since it doesn't follow the flow of the thread)

5. Logic replies to Kit why is an RVS no lynch getting so much attention. Like it's logic's final vote and that is all Logic is going to talk about for 72 hours ( I don't see the progression from Kit asking Logic why they are bothered about Abu's RVS to this reply where logic talks about the attention their no lynch is getting if that's what Kit was talking about. If this was about Abu's no lynch opinion it still doesn't make sense. Why would Logic complain about the attention that their RVS vote is bringing, and then ask Abu about the no lynch option? Abu stated his opinion and didn't ask Logic at all about his no lynch vote so I don't know where this attention is coming from. If logic is referring to conversations with other players thus far, it doesn't belong in this thread)

EDIT: spelling

Floofs said:

logic340 said:

Kit said:

AbuHumaid said:

logic340 said:

AbuHumaid said:
vote: Karote

I take it this is RVS? How do you feel about the "no lynch" option?

yeah. No lynch is definitely something I'd rather not vote for so early in the game

why does an RVS vote bother you?

@Floofs Kit is asking why RVS no lynch vote bothers him if I'm not mistaken.

@Kit please correct or confirm

@Floofs

floofs said:
I don't see the progression from Kit asking Logic why they are bothered about Abu's RVS to this reply where logic talks about the attention their no lynch is getting if that's what Kit was talking about. If this was about Abu's no lynch opinion it still doesn't make sense. Why would Logic complain about the attention that their RVS vote is bringing, and then ask Abu about the no lynch option? Abu stated his opinion and didn't ask Logic at all about his no lynch vote so I don't know where this attention is coming from. If logic is referring to conversations with other players thus far, it doesn't belong in this thread)

Did you not read page 1? I honestly think the confusion comes from looking at 5 posts specifically when there were more in question. The attention given to my vote was more due to Zymf and Lucian. Laby even commented on it when finally checked into the game and I believe TheConquerer had something to say as well. Quite the conversation starter I'd say? This is exactly why I did it because this fat into the game it is still being used to generate a read. So what has this whole thing told you about my alignment? After that let's move on to kit and others.

I did. The game started at post 32. This is form post number 56. From post 32 of the game to post number 56, TheConquerer did not say anything about no lynch and Laby hasn't post yet. If you are correct in the assumption that Kit was asking Abu why RVS no lynch bothers him, where from post 32 to 56 does Abu seem bothered (worried or upset) by no lynch? Abu stated their opinion. It was something that they would rather not vote for. Just because someone doesn't like to do something, doesn't mean that they expect other people to do the same thing. I don't like to participate in RVS. I'd rather wait to get some reads and then vote on someone. Should I be bothered by anyone who participates in RVS? No. So where does this "bothered" come from because I don't see it

And yes, I agree that it is a conversation starter, but it is an opinionated conversation starter that I don't find alignment indicative. People take a stance on RVS, no lynch or to not participate and state why they think that way. The merit to this conversation is that it gives you an insight to how someone thinks. That is why I think you repeatedly ask this question at the beginning of games.

This makes me think Floofs isn't mafia. (bolded parts)
He kept talking about Kit's question towards Abu, how he thought that it was confusing and/or didn't make sense to Floofs.
This doesn't seem to come from a mafia buddy. Why would he as scum make a bid deal out of 1 sentence and point out Kit's mistake?

@LucianRoy

Quite the contrary, I would argue that scum would point out simple and minor mistakes that their scumbuddies made, rather than larger mistakes. This is to distance one from another, without incriminating eachother to much in the process.
In other words, Floofs tried to distance herself from Kit, by means of a lot of speculation without any strong evidence that others would follow up on.
I see LucianRoy is also not so easily convinced in #996.

But Floofs also voted for Kit.
Floofs was the 4th person on Kit's train, too.

And I just checked, she hasn't been online since july 13th. If she's not going to post today, she'll be replaced or modkilled later.

Zymf said:

MrSkittles94 said:
It's strange that everyone is on me, I mean I had it coming, I never talked and that for this game is suspect af, but it's fine I guess. You really don't no need to pressure me on anything I understand you just want to push me to out myself. Whisper knows that I'm more cool and collected then that, anyway enough of that I'll look more into Abu before I head off to work today, I won't be on again till little after 7pm EST. Just give y'all the heads up.

Getting really defensive from just 1 vote.
"I understand you just want to push me to out myself" - Nobody said that? Are you fearing this is what it'll come to? (because you do have something to hide)
"I'm more cool and collected then that" - Trying to convince yourself? Or just making up excuses?
Entire post is scummy.

+1

He keeps posting, but never talks about how he feels about other players. Mainly just defends his inactiveness. And there's a paranoid tone to his posts as well.
I'm suspicious because, from what I could tell he made around 6-7 posts, just enough to not actually be modkilled.
@MrSkittles94

Jul 16, 2017 10:00 AM

#1054

coromandel

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yurkin said:

logic340 said:

also why aren't you currently voted now that you've checked in? Also you're lower on my list of properties and higher on my read list than 4 of the others are currently.

No specific reason, i was not here today thats all, you can guess from yesterday whom i want to vote for right, it had not changed even after today's posts.

Then why aren't you?

Jul 16, 2017 10:04 AM

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LucianRoy

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Zymf said:

LucianRoy said:
Pre-flip associations aren't exactly the most substantial thing to base suspicions off of unfortunately.

You say pre-flip associations aren't substantial.
I think I've alse seen you say that VCA and meta isn't substantial.
Tell me, what IS substantial?

Pre-flip associations, like reading something SvS or grouping two players' interactions together as both scum and then making subsequent scumreads from it is a jump in logic, persay, on D1.

Meta is a tool that is useful, but unfortunately it can be unreliable because people can influence/manipulate/change it. Along with this, people use it incorrectly far far far too often, (and when you call somebody out for this they call you stupid, act like they know what they're talking about, and emotional).

VCA is good only if the scum are bad.

Certain conditions have to be met for these tools to be useful, minus the first, which is not a tool and is actually a logical gap.

Some things are unconditionally useful tools in the hands of players that know how to use them, such as scumtell analysis, causal/behavioral analysis, analysing tone, analysing post-flip interactions.
And ofc night actions.

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Jul 16, 2017 10:07 AM

#1056

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I'm at work for another hour and 15 then I'll be around until phase change.
I'd also like us to consulate on Karote and Skittles
@MrSkittles what do your observations tell you about the remaining player base? Part of your job as town is to prove to us that you are in fact town. Please share your reads.
@Karote always hard to read you. Even harder with your participation here. I'm not against your lunch would be nice if you took some initiative and shared you own thoughts without us having to direct you with specific questions. Reads please?

@Floofs and @AbuHumaid while I'm more comfortable with you two I need to get more out of you both. If people want either of you lynched I really can't go to bat for either of you.

Proud Administrator of the D Gray Man FC and OnePunch-Man FC

Jul 16, 2017 10:11 AM

#1057

LucianRoy

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There's about 4 more hours left.

Oh boy I sure would love it if a succinct post that lists all the curent votes appeared.

Still advocating lynching Karote because PoE.
Skittles is still practically neutral for me, minus the fact Kit voted for them, but I don't really mind if they end up eating rope either since they're also in my pool.

Rather that than make a rep read 23 pages only to be grilled the shit out of.

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Jul 16, 2017 10:13 AM

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logic340 said:
I know he's not a priority (me) but wow we are not actually focusing on him he still needs to help town because he is Anton town by definition of his role and also because he said that he would.

Anton town?

LucianRoy said:
@Zymf
For your question to me in 1007, it's actually a little tricky to explain, but it's a matter of perspective. The quesion is there in the post. Why do the number one and number two posters not have a solid read on the third highest poster in the thread? Shouldn't there be more than enough content to properly read them? Why are we not getting any town vibes? Why are we not getting any scum vibes? And in essence, this leads to the question: are they masking their behavior to make it dificult to read them? And, why do they not want to be read?

From there on, the logic should be somewhat self-explanatory.

Roger. Though I still don't find your null read on Kit day 1 to be of that much important, your later suspicion did pay off in the end.

grrr said:
By the way i have misread my role. I am not a third party lover with ability to kill someone when draw votes hapen. I am actually a town doctor but it appears i saw what I wanted to see. I appologize deeply for that mistake :( .

Lol.
And what did you try to accomplish with your previous fake-claim?

MrSkittles94 said:
Im pancakes! I'm active just in spurts since on mobile, but why think I'm scum just cuz I can't really respond since my phone is crap when trying to respond? That's kinda strange to just assume that I am just cuz I can't really respond.

It is not your inactivity that I find suspicious. It is your approach to this game as someone who only shows up to defend himself and give bad excuses.

coromandel said:

Zymf said:
@coromandel, you also made a quite a reads list in #821. I agree with most of it, but it would help if you found some examples on how lastwhisper and RE might have tried to create another train to save Kit.

That was the initial impression I had when D2 started, but after re-reading what happened during D1, I don't see it anymore.

I see... to bad.

yurkin said:

If that is not clear enough explanation say so.

It was great. Thank you.

I have now fully caught up. I'm fine with lynching MrSkittles, Floofs or grrr today.
(I know grrr changed his claim to town doc, but I want him to pay for counterclaiming me without giving an explanation)

Vote change: @MrSkittles94
What is your flavor? If you tell me, I will change my vote back to Floofs.

Jul 16, 2017 10:16 AM

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vote: MrSkittles
I could go for a MrSkittles lynch actually. The lack of reads on many players doesn't just suggest to me he's not reading the game as closely as town should be, but he's afraid of getting attention by making reads, even if they are justified, because he'll be accusing town no matter what. Also, #971 just gives me bad vibes. "out myself" - scum slip? Also, and I feel a little bad for this, but @MrSkittles94 you don't have to make votes only when you are certain of it. The less certain you are of people's townieness, the more you should be voting for them; you get reactions, you start trains, good stuff that moves the game forward.

...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.

Jul 16, 2017 10:24 AM

#1060

LucianRoy

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Is anyone factoring the fact that this is his first game into their read/votes?

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Jul 16, 2017 10:25 AM

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LucianRoy said:
Is anyone factoring the fact that this is his first game into their read/votes?

Yes, but I feel like even first-time players would have more reads than what he's given. I would expect less of "I get that what I'm doing is suspicious" and more of answering people's questions in regards to certain players.

...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.

Jul 16, 2017 10:28 AM

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LucianRoy

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Yeah, I could see that being viable. I also don't like the fact that he hasn't asked a single AI question the entire game.

Ok.

Vote: Skittles

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Jul 16, 2017 10:28 AM

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Basically, he's really self-conscious, which is something I don't see coming out of new players as town - I think they'd be less understanding to why they're garnering suspicion.

...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.

Jul 16, 2017 10:30 AM

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LucianRoy

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RE1031 said:
Basically, he's really self-conscious, which is something I don't see coming out of new players as town - I think they'd be less understanding to why they're garnering suspicion.

That's good enough reasoning for me.

More town votes.

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Jul 16, 2017 10:39 AM

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grrr said:
Yes, she sounds ver devious and suspicios, while usually she sounds worried and happy.

What does that even mean lol

blinddate
she was never awake
even with her eyes wide open
never where she longed to be
and if you’d meet her
just know
you were on a
blind date with a dreamer

Jul 16, 2017 10:52 AM

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@LucianRoy wanna post an unofficial vote count, while my bro is at work?
Edit: I wanna see where everyone is at before I make my vote

blinddate
she was never awake
even with her eyes wide open
never where she longed to be
and if you’d meet her
just know
you were on a
blind date with a dreamer

Jul 16, 2017 11:01 AM

#1067

LucianRoy

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lastwhisper31 said:
@LucianRoy wanna post an unofficial vote count, while my bro is at work?
Edit: I wanna see where everyone is at before I make my vote

I'm on mobile, but yeah I can try.

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Jul 16, 2017 11:12 AM

#1068

yurkin

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vote: re1031

Jul 16, 2017 11:14 AM

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