| buuu not my fault ~ shouldn't you start with LW for surviving every lynch? :P[/quote]Being a cockroach, means being very hard to kill, is usually considered a good thing to have in the long run. Sleipnirr said: While this is true in a hammer lock system like this, there is no reason to push it until the end. We should maximise the time in order to stratigise. This system easily allows mafia to manipulate the final lynch if we are not careful and we cannot have one of those spread like endings like usual. Therefore, this hand wave approach is not going to work.LucianRoy said: Yep. I feel the need to increase the pace of the game because I have zero reads on anyone, and proportionally speaking, the game started more than 3 hours ago, which would be something close to 21 hours of time to work with in a game with 2 week phases, or other games that use majority lynching. We're using said majority lynching, so we need 8 votes on a single person within the next 45 hours in order to achieve a lynch D1. Building a train this size on one person in that amount of time is very difficult. Especially with MS's meta. I have to disagree with you on that one. I am pretty sure that once we get into the last 15 minutes the town will panic and lynch someone. Have seen it happen to many times. The_Pyromaani said: Unless the town is significantly powerful it is frowned upon to put the odds at 33%Also any guesses how many baddies / third parties there are? From my experience with 15 player games it has been like. 3 baddies and 2 tpr. Thats just my overall experience from past. I could be wrong this time tho. lastwhisper31 said: Yes. but in this game I think it is unlikely because no third party win condition is being presented, as this is not listed as a bastard game there is no reason to suspect any third party. So probably four mafia. Honestly is it common to have killing tpr in these mafia games? Ive played so many bastard games that I dont even know. Edit: Out of my 4 games, this is my first closed non bastard set up, just to put it in perspective. |
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lastwhisper31 said: okii dokii AlbertinoDias said: i mean you're talking about me... i would like to defend myself but... you don't even ask anything to the person in question (or the other one....) is it bad that i want to defend myself?? (that was something like, hey hey hey, look at me, can i say something?? :D ) so yeah... I dont think anything of it, ahh lol now I get it, but ya like I said, your post is pretty NAI, maybe a lack of knowledge of games? It definitely doesnt seem suspicious to me especially when you said you lacked experience, and for Sleip to jump on that Im honestly more suspicious of him. But how I see it, if you were tpr, then stating that there may not be any tpr, would only increase suspicion of you, and Sleip jumped on that comment with idk exactly his thoughts on it. Also his vote is still on lucian. If he sees it as a slip then I think hes pretty alone on that, cause its pretty NAI to me, it was just an innocent question. lastwhisper31 said: lol okAlbertinoDias said: whattt?? i'm not getting it.... Sorry that was just a random thing I read, and it reminded me of a previous game haha Edit: To clarify, it was off the mafia scum wiki, giving examples of how to catch obvious scum btw it's time to go to the wonderland, so, tomorrow i'll write again see ya guys, (but before i go) i was reading everything again, so if we do not have 8 votes we can't lynch right?? but in case of a tie, what happens?? |
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Suzune-chan said: Sleipnirr said: Being a cockroach, means being very hard to kill, is usually considered a good thing to have in the long run. lets start vote aa-dono buuu not my fault ~ shouldn't you start with LW for surviving every lynch? :P Did I just get roasted, or was that a compliment lmao |
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AlbertinoDias said: lastwhisper31 said: okii dokii I dont think anything of it, ahh lol now I get it, but ya like I said, your post is pretty NAI, maybe a lack of knowledge of games? It definitely doesnt seem suspicious to me especially when you said you lacked experience, and for Sleip to jump on that Im honestly more suspicious of him. But how I see it, if you were tpr, then stating that there may not be any tpr, would only increase suspicion of you, and Sleip jumped on that comment with idk exactly his thoughts on it. Also his vote is still on lucian. If he sees it as a slip then I think hes pretty alone on that, cause its pretty NAI to me, it was just an innocent question. lastwhisper31 said: lol okSorry that was just a random thing I read, and it reminded me of a previous game haha Edit: To clarify, it was off the mafia scum wiki, giving examples of how to catch obvious scum btw it's time to go to the wonderland, so, tomorrow i'll write again see ya guys, (but before i go) i was reading everything again, so if we do not have 8 votes we can't lynch right?? but in case of a tie, what happens?? 8 vs 7, there cant be a tie, and if no one reaches 8 votes by 48 hours then no one gets lynched. As soon as someone hits 8 votes, then the votes get locked and his/her fate is sealed. |
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Sleipnirr said: Neither jesters or survivors are considered basic roles though, therefore, it is unliekly they are in the game as it is listed as basic. Therefore, there is no reason to continue to fear monger like this as it gets people discussing things that are not helpful. The only third party role considered normal, or basic, is the serial killer. The_Pyromaani said: Also any guesses how many baddies / third parties there are? From my experience with 15 player games it has been like. 3 baddies and 2 tpr. Thats just my overall experience from past. I could be wrong this time tho. If it was my game I would have made it 9 3 3 with the TPR being survivor/Jester/SK but I usually make role madness games so I dont really think there is that anti town in this game unless this is a role madness. Is it a role madness? @Shinichi-kun @LucianRoy On a side note I don't like your last sentence to much. If anyone is interested in how town can optimally carry out a majority lynch, you just have to ask me, or I'll explain in greater detail should we need to cross that kind of bridge.Feel like your trying quite hard to get some town respect points. Typically speaking though I would have to say that mal is not used to using hammer lynches and we do not need to get to the end of day one in order to figure out that no one has any idea what to do. So I suppose to this standpoint, while it is very forward, I always considered making some suggestions as how to handle this lynch especially since game on mal are last minute and most games that use hammer systems do not rely on that. |
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Suzune-chan said: lastwhisper31 said: Yes. but in this game I think it is unlikely because no third party win condition is being presented, as this is not listed as a bastard game there is no reason to suspect any third party. So probably four mafia. Honestly is it common to have killing tpr in these mafia games? Ive played so many bastard games that I dont even know. Edit: Out of my 4 games, this is my first closed non bastard set up, just to put it in perspective. All threats to the town are eliminated or The mafia team controls the lynch by outnumbering or equaling town. Ya, now I see it, ya probably no tpr. |
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lastwhisper31 said: Generally speaking, it is both. Cockroaching is continuing to survive in a video game with one hp and winning. So it is all good. Suzune-chan said: Being a cockroach, means being very hard to kill, is usually considered a good thing to have in the long run. Did I just get roasted, or was that a compliment lmao |
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lastwhisper31 said: Sleipnirr said: Its not uncommon for mafia to try early on to control the game, it can either add suspicion to them or maybe remove it. But I can tell you as someone who has played multiple games with Roy after he came back from this hiatus?? That he is playing his usually scum hunt game, this definitely town lucian to me, but time will tell.So Lucian I am aware that I did not play with you in the Morning after game but this is not the lucian I remember. The Lucian I remember would play like lamby or grr and stay under the radar with troll or NAI posts be it town or scum. So why is the drastic change in the Meta. There is only one game I remember you playing like this and that was the game where you just returned from the Hiatus and after that settled on the troll meta. So if you dont mind me again why is the drastic change? I have to say that I dont trust this current lucian as I believe you might be scum trying to control the flow of the game as we dont have any vocal players like logic or queen in the game. I think controolling the flow of the game is going to be mafia's main objective this game since its a lynch lock system and we need all 8 votes to lynch someone so if they control the majority or at least make them doubt it will be a win for them and knowing this coupled with your drastic change of meta (from my perspective) I can see you bein scum. vote Lucian So lets hear it Lucian. Why the current way of playing instead of your usual one? Was there a need to read him this early? (I'm still on page 1) |
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| Fine, I am going to make a suggest then since people are talking about potential third party roles when there shouldn't be any as they are not marked and because most are not considered basic. Since we are using a lynch lock system, I think it would be better for us to not wait until the last minute. This allows too much control to be handed to the mafia because they can easily squeeze a lynch in and make it look like an accident since the majority of people here do not play with lynch lock it will be hard to sort out accidental lynches and mafia lynches. Therefore, we need to plan earlier. It is considered good manners to warn people when we are close to a lynch lock usually putting L-1 after the vote so that people know that who you voted for is close. It is also considered good manners to be intent to lock/hammer if you are going to do it, this gives a chance for a last saving throw. Especially if there is still time left in the phase. |
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The_Pyromaani said: Also any guesses how many baddies / third parties there are? From my experience with 15 player games it has been like. 3 baddies and 2 tpr. Thats just my overall experience from past. I could be wrong this time tho. Not sure if answered already. But as far as I read there isnt any TPR in this round. I'm guessing 3 baddies and maybe 1 robot with the tendency to turn to a bad robot? :D Is this too bastard? |
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It is considered good manners to warn people when we are close to a lynch lock usually putting L-1 after the vote so that people know that who you voted for is close. It is also considered good manners to be intent to lock/hammer if you are going to do it, this gives a chance for a last saving throw. Especially if there is still time left in the phase. @suzune-chan Can you explain these more or link me to something about them? So im assuming L-1 means that the train only needs one more person to be locked? Does that mean we can use L-2 or like L-3 to show that the train needs two or 3 more votes, and etc...? and can you explain the bolded part in your quote? |
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lastwhisper31 said: This game has a lynch lock system. Which means when we get someone to eight votes they will be the target no question asked. It is locked. Or as we call it where I play, the final vote hammers it. It is considered good manners to warn people when we are close to a lynch lock usually putting L-1 after the vote so that people know that who you voted for is close. It is also considered good manners to be intent to lock/hammer if you are going to do it, this gives a chance for a last saving throw. Especially if there is still time left in the phase. @suzune-chan Can you explain these more or link me to something about them? So im assuming L-1 means that the train only needs one more person to be locked? Does that mean we can use L-2 or like L-3 to show that the train needs two or 3 more votes, and etc...? and can you explain the bolded part in your quote? L-1 means one more to lynch. Since the voting technically ends when we lock it. It is nice to inform people that you intend to lock it. |
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Suzune-chan said: lastwhisper31 said: This game has a lynch lock system. Which means when we get someone to eight votes they will be the target no question asked. It is locked. Or as we call it where I play, the final vote hammers it. @suzune-chan Can you explain these more or link me to something about them? So im assuming L-1 means that the train only needs one more person to be locked? Does that mean we can use L-2 or like L-3 to show that the train needs two or 3 more votes, and etc...? and can you explain the bolded part in your quote? L-1 means one more to lynch. Since the voting technically ends when we lock it. It is nice to inform people that you intend to lock it. So in this case we need 8 votes, so would the 7th person type L-1 or would the 8th person type L-1 before he votes??? Sorry im really trying to understand this |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Still lived pretty long, and every post you make can eventually impact the town and be quite helpful. Well lets win this together my friend :D. I've been good, no not really XD. If one of you turn out to be scum...ezpz Aah yes my paranoia setting in already, I love it <3 |
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lastwhisper31 said: Okay, let's say there are seven votes on you and I made the seventh vote. I would say vote: you name and then nicely put (L-1) so that people know you are one away. Likewise if Shinichi wanted to lynch you after me, it he first intend to hammer so that if case there was something you wanted to do to prove your innocence or something, before finally voting you. Locking the votes.Suzune-chan said: This game has a lynch lock system. Which means when we get someone to eight votes they will be the target no question asked. It is locked. Or as we call it where I play, the final vote hammers it. L-1 means one more to lynch. Since the voting technically ends when we lock it. It is nice to inform people that you intend to lock it. So in this case we need 8 votes, so would the 7th person type L-1 or would the 8th person type L-1 before he votes??? Sorry im really trying to understand this |
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Suzune-chan said: lastwhisper31 said: Okay, let's say there are seven votes on you and I made the seventh vote. I would say vote: you name and then nicely put (L-1) so that people know you are one away. Likewise if Shinichi wanted to lynch you after me, it he first intend to hammer so that if case there was something you wanted to do to prove your innocence or something, before finally voting you. Locking the votes.So in this case we need 8 votes, so would the 7th person type L-1 or would the 8th person type L-1 before he votes??? Sorry im really trying to understand this Thank you, now I understand. |
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Gwendolly said: What question? @lastwhisper31 are you just gonna ignore my question? |
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| kay all caught up now. my observations: people bringing up tpr for no reason, mechanics talk and already a slight conflict of opinion between lucian, sleipnirr & lastwhisper. The rest seems to be fluff posts and I cant see other people trying to approach other candidates, because they seem to observe the situation first. Which is what I'm doing too I guess :D @lastwhisper31 #108 |
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Gwendolly said: kay all caught up now. my observations: people bringing up tpr for no reason, mechanics talk and already a slight conflict of opinion between lucian, sleipnirr & lastwhisper. The rest seems to be fluff posts and I cant see other people trying to approach other candidates, because they seem to observe the situation first. Which is what I'm doing too I guess :D @lastwhisper31 #108 Most of everyones votes are RVS right now, and Sleip got serious for a reason that I dont believe is scummy, so I chimed in, and stated while Sleip is giving him a scum lead by his early posts, I on the other hand am giving him a more town lean. This does not however mean I have a scum lean on Sleip. A lot of people still havnt talked, and if they want me to come back to this also, then I will. |
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lastwhisper31 said: Gwendolly said: kay all caught up now. my observations: people bringing up tpr for no reason, mechanics talk and already a slight conflict of opinion between lucian, sleipnirr & lastwhisper. The rest seems to be fluff posts and I cant see other people trying to approach other candidates, because they seem to observe the situation first. Which is what I'm doing too I guess :D @lastwhisper31 #108 Most of everyones votes are RVS right now, and Sleip got serious for a reason that I dont believe is scummy, so I chimed in, and stated while Sleip is giving him a scum lead by his early posts, I on the other hand am giving him a more town lean. This does not however mean I have a scum lean on Sleip. A lot of people still havnt talked, and if they want me to come back to this also, then I will. You did say definitely tho. While I myself would consider some more town than others but it doesnt mean I need to mention that in public, which makes me think you're somewhat defending him and way too early. But you're right a lot of people haven't even appeared yet, so I guess its a waiting game now. I did not ask about Sleip btw. 'Am going to bed. Good niight |
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lastwhisper31 said: @shinichi-kun I guess I gotta take the place of Logic, gotta make him proud. What do you think of Sleip and Lucian currently. AlbertinoDias said: and whats your take on this? and Sleips response?the games i've played all said which roles the TPR would have, like if a win-co was to get lynched, every onw would know there was a TPR with that win-co, but here we don't knwo anything, so i'm asking, there has to be any TPR?? Firstly this behaviour is suspicious. This is a closed set up full reveal on death game. Meaning we will get the information after a person dies so tehre is no way it would be announced if there was a jester in the game. So why are you trying so hard to denounce the possibility of a tp? Sleipnirr is being the same as he has in the last few games, but this also leaves me to believe hes letting the last game get to him too much. Lucian is obviously not trolling so i dont understand that accusation by sleipnirr its just weird. Nothing lucian has done has been too telling its all pretty neutral, he always at somepoint tries to lead town. |
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Suzune-chan said: lastwhisper31 said: Yes. but in this game I think it is unlikely because no third party win condition is being presented, as this is not listed as a bastard game there is no reason to suspect any third party. So probably four mafia. Honestly is it common to have killing tpr in these mafia games? Ive played so many bastard games that I dont even know. Edit: Out of my 4 games, this is my first closed non bastard set up, just to put it in perspective. This is pretty much the same conclusion I have come too since like I said if grape is following MS standards a lot of the stuff being speculated would have been included in the op. |
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Suzune-chan said: Sleipnirr said: Neither jesters or survivors are considered basic roles though, therefore, it is unliekly they are in the game as it is listed as basic. Therefore, there is no reason to continue to fear monger like this as it gets people discussing things that are not helpful. The only third party role considered normal, or basic, is the serial killer. If it was my game I would have made it 9 3 3 with the TPR being survivor/Jester/SK but I usually make role madness games so I dont really think there is that anti town in this game unless this is a role madness. Is it a role madness? @Shinichi-kun @LucianRoy On a side note I don't like your last sentence to much. If anyone is interested in how town can optimally carry out a majority lynch, you just have to ask me, or I'll explain in greater detail should we need to cross that kind of bridge.Feel like your trying quite hard to get some town respect points. Typically speaking though I would have to say that mal is not used to using hammer lynches and we do not need to get to the end of day one in order to figure out that no one has any idea what to do. So I suppose to this standpoint, while it is very forward, I always considered making some suggestions as how to handle this lynch especially since game on mal are last minute and most games that use hammer systems do not rely on that. I would be quite surprised if we were able to get a lynch before the deadline, but you are right most people from mal or ms, in general, would not be used to that kind of lynch. Also i figured there would be more tpr considered basic than just one. |
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Suzune-chan said: Fine, I am going to make a suggest then since people are talking about potential third party roles when there shouldn't be any as they are not marked and because most are not considered basic. Since we are using a lynch lock system, I think it would be better for us to not wait until the last minute. This allows too much control to be handed to the mafia because they can easily squeeze a lynch in and make it look like an accident since the majority of people here do not play with lynch lock it will be hard to sort out accidental lynches and mafia lynches. Therefore, we need to plan earlier. It is considered good manners to warn people when we are close to a lynch lock usually putting L-1 after the vote so that people know that who you voted for is close. It is also considered good manners to be intent to lock/hammer if you are going to do it, this gives a chance for a last saving throw. Especially if there is still time left in the phase. Fair Enough I just saw an example of this, though I may forget haha. I rather us be able to decide a lynch in the next 24 hours. Cause the closer we get to the deadline the most risk of one not happening or people just panicing. |
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AlbertinoDias said: Yes yes, I know day 1 we can't have a tie, but day 2 we can, I was just asking what would happen, I know games where it ends with no lunch and games where the coin is flipped to see who dies we can never have a tie lol unless im doing math wrong @Grapefruit21 if the players remaining is even will he majority be upped? Like if 14 players are alive would the majority be 8 or sitll stay 7? |
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Gwendolly said: Shinichi-Kun said: Still lived pretty long, and every post you make can eventually impact the town and be quite helpful. Well lets win this together my friend :D. I've been good, no not really XD. If one of you turn out to be scum...ezpz Aah yes my paranoia setting in already, I love it <3 tbf everyones paranoid of me likewise I am paranoid of others due to the manipulation that can go on behind the scenes of the mafia club and out of game thinking |
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Gwendolly said: kay all caught up now. my observations: people bringing up tpr for no reason, mechanics talk and already a slight conflict of opinion between lucian, sleipnirr & lastwhisper. The rest seems to be fluff posts and I cant see other people trying to approach other candidates, because they seem to observe the situation first. Which is what I'm doing too I guess :D @lastwhisper31 #108 No reason or not it got cleared up pretty early which is a nice thing. Also, this game is basic so few mechanics actually exist, outside of the majority lynching with a lot of people are new which I think warrants the mechanic's talk. One thing i like about suzune is her explanation sounds more neutral, while Lucian sounds like it was quite forced unless im overthinking stuff. |
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aa-dono said: Uh.. that’s not what I meant by that o___oTogs said: ....... Togs.... are you really... ##Vote: Wen for not voting for me :v ... really ... .. . M ?? lastwhisper31 said: Hey I’m only going to be mean if you’re scum : pironace said: Looks like I’m a little late, if things are still stagnant when I’m caught up I’ll give it a shot. Regardless though, your boredom with the stagnant gamestate early on is noted. Going by a logic similar to this, vote: lastwhisper31 since this name is a weapon in a league of legends and a bot with a weapon name is dangerous. Wrong League stole my name lol. Also vote: Togs because he's mean Sleipnirr said: It is the Mafia Society way. The path of the CFD giveth and taketh in equal measures.I have to disagree with you on that one. I am pretty sure that once we get into the last 15 minutes the town will panic and lynch someone. Have seen it happen to many times. wen294 said: It’s not that, it’s just that since not-RVS’ing me isn’t your usual behavior my robo-brain has gone into disarray [-c°<°]-cTogs said: And here i thought i'd be considerate for once ;w;##Vote: Wen for not voting for me :v Seems like it went unappreciated. Togs you M >_> LucianRoy said: First off I like the tone of this post, this feels a lot like town Lucian to me. I will say though, maybe this is bad to say for going against conventional logic but I’ll say it anyways, I don’t think CFDs are a bad thing and I’ve seen a lot of good cases within minutes of the phase change and panic lynches that turned out to me true. If I were to venture a guess, I would say that the pressure to choose someone immediately forces people to go with gut decisions more and not overthink, which in some cases ends up working better than a slower-developed lynch wagon. I agree that in theory planning and discussing a wagon is better and I prefer to play that way, but I can’t ignore that CFDs happen and they I have seen them get results too. So, I don’t think we should play in fear of that chaos.Sleipnirr said: I have to disagree with you on that one. I am pretty sure that once we get into the last 15 minutes the town will panic and lynch someone. Have seen it happen to many times. I'm not saying that's an unlikely scenario, I'm just going to take some time to say why avoiding that scenario would be beneficial for town. The acronym, or general maneuver, we're referring to here is called C.F.D., or chinese fire drill, or change in fucking direction depending on how lifted you are at the time of the phase change, and in general it's referring to a mass shift in votes near the end of the phase. This mass shift can be from one train, to another, or there can just be no train, and everyone just blitzes a poor soul with unsubstantial time to defend themselves correctly. It's suboptimal play imo, and it would be much better if during roughly 2/3rds of the way through day phase we start to consolidate town votes on a single person we can come to a consensus on instead of postponing that decision until the very last minute. This should give us enough time to go through the motions on how to optimally carry out a lynch on a player using majority lynching. Unfortunately, MS has a reputation for doing this, and ___________ (ongoing game stuff absolutely nothing specific) ________, it would be good if we could avoid something like this happening this game. If anyone is interested in how town can optimally carry out a majority lynch, you just have to ask me, or I'll explain in greater detail should we need to cross that kind of bridge. Anyways I got off topic a little but I think the main danger with the majority-lynch style of game is not the tendency for CFDs but just the high chance that not enough people will be around for phase change and we’ll end up lynching no one at all. I can’t think of much else to do about it other than telling everyone to vote and spam-pinging near phase change time, so.. that’s pretty much what I plan to do and this is part 1 of that. lastwhisper31 said: Hmm. I feel like this game, LW has had a lot more to say and he has probably already put out more speculative analysis than he did in the entirely of the Kiznaiver game.. I feel like either he has stepped his scum game up a few levels or he’s just town around. I’m leaning towards the latter.AlbertinoDias said: i mean you're talking about me... i would like to defend myself but... you don't even ask anything to the person in question (or the other one....) is it bad that i want to defend myself?? (that was something like, hey hey hey, look at me, can i say something?? :D ) so yeah... I dont think anything of it, ahh lol now I get it, but ya like I said, your post is pretty NAI, maybe a lack of knowledge of games? It definitely doesnt seem suspicious to me especially when you said you lacked experience, and for Sleip to jump on that Im honestly more suspicious of him. But how I see it, if you were tpr, then stating that there may not be any tpr, would only increase suspicion of you, and Sleip jumped on that comment with idk exactly his thoughts on it. Also his vote is still on lucian. If he sees it as a slip then I think hes pretty alone on that, cause its pretty NAI to me, it was just an innocent question. Gwendolly said: Cool observations, do you have any opinions on anyone to go with them ?kay all caught up now. my observations: people bringing up tpr for no reason, mechanics talk and already a slight conflict of opinion between lucian, sleipnirr & lastwhisper. The rest seems to be fluff posts and I cant see other people trying to approach other candidates, because they seem to observe the situation first. Which is what I'm doing too I guess :D @lastwhisper31 #108 Shinichi-Kun said: Re: Sleipnirr I actually feel like he’s kind of different ? I don’t remember ever seeing him post this much early on, I feel like usually he pops in like halfway through the phase then again at phase change.Sleipnirr is being the same as he has in the last few games, but this also leaves me to believe hes letting the last game get to him too much. Lucian is obviously not trolling so i dont understand that accusation by sleipnirr its just weird. Nothing lucian has done has been too telling its all pretty neutral, he always at somepoint tries to lead town. |
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| Oh yea, the game began o.o #120 Good townie-like post from Gwendolly Red_Salmon said: Did you know that speciesism is a actually a real term? I learned about it in ethics class when we discussed animal rights.AlbertinoDias said: I think that Vote: Red_Salmon is the best option, because, you know...we are robots... he's a fish... I think it makes sense... >_< ughh! This kind of specie-ism makes me wanna... makes me wanna... wanna kill people *DUN DUN DUUNNNNNN* wen294 said: This.Sleipnirr said: Look at the top, it says basic game.If it was my game I would have made it 9 3 3 with the TPR being survivor/Jester/SK but I usually make role madness games so I dont really think there is that anti town in this game unless this is a role madness. Is it a role madness? There can be no more than 5 power roles in a basic game according the mafia society rules. AlbertinoDias said: This gives me slight scum-vibes based on how I personally play.i mean you're talking about me... i would like to defend myself but... you don't even ask anything to the person in question (or the other one....) is it bad that i want to defend myself?? (that was something like, hey hey hey, look at me, can i say something?? :D ) so yeah... 1. I always like to defend myself, but especially as scum, because I'll often have a defence prepared and ready. 2. I am often very open and honest, but especially as scum, because I want to earn the towns trust that way. Vote: AlbertinoDias Let's hear your "defence" then, if you have anything to say. AlbertinoDias said: No lunch!? How terrible :O!!!I know games where it ends with no lunch and games where the coin is flipped to see who dies (who will have to eat the other so that both doesn't starve to death? That must be decided by the coin) About the majority lynch system: Yes, it is different from what we are used to, but I don't see why it should be that difficult for us to use well. I agree with Lucian that we should consolidate our votes about 2/3rds to get some defence speeches and claims, and I agree with Suzune to use L-2, L-1 and "Intent to lock" :) |
ZymfJul 26, 2017 6:18 PM
| Early town leans, based mostly on gut: Lucian, Lastwhisper, and.. hmm well that’s pretty much it. |
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| @Togs Hmm. I feel like this game, LW has had a lot more to say and he has probably already put out more speculative analysis than he did in the entirely of the Kiznaiver game.. I feel like either he has stepped his scum game up a few levels or he’s just town around. I’m leaning towards the latter. For me kiznaiver was in my queue haha, like regardless if I was scum, or town id wouldnt have been active in day 1 regardless, cause I was focusing harder on the Morning After game, still zymf ate me the fuck alive. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Togs said: Shinichi-Kun said: Re: Sleipnirr I actually feel like he’s kind of different ? I don’t remember ever seeing him post this much early on, I feel like usually he pops in like halfway through the phase then again at phase change.Sleipnirr is being the same as he has in the last few games, but this also leaves me to believe hes letting the last game get to him too much. Lucian is obviously not trolling so i dont understand that accusation by sleipnirr its just weird. Nothing lucian has done has been too telling its all pretty neutral, he always at somepoint tries to lead town. Oh shit that does remind me, sleipnirr never posts this much during the first 24 hours, normally he just observes. |
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lastwhisper31 said: Mm maybe, I’m aware that lots of people have been saying you weren’t even scummy in Kiznaiver and just busy, but honestly I feel like it’s more a mindset thing than quantity or even quality of posts. I just get the feel this game you want to figure things out, your interactions with Albertino seemed legitimately speculative and you expressed desire to see the gamestate develop more. In the last game I got the sense that you were always comfortable with the present game state despite you not saying much. IDK, maybe it is just a coincidence for that game and if so then all you have to do is consistently, over the course of a game, play like you are now when you’re scum and you will rek me. But until then I’m going to read you how my gut is telling to you and even though it’s early I feel like you’re prooobably town.@Togs Hmm. I feel like this game, LW has had a lot more to say and he has probably already put out more speculative analysis than he did in the entirely of the Kiznaiver game.. I feel like either he has stepped his scum game up a few levels or he’s just town around. I’m leaning towards the latter. For me kiznaiver was in my queue haha, like regardless if I was scum, or town id wouldnt have been active in day 1 regardless, cause I was focusing harder on the Morning After game, still zymf ate me the fuck alive.Shinichi-Kun said: Do you have anything on his scum meta ? I think he’s always been town the the games I played with him so I don’t really have any metric to compare his play to.Togs said: Re: Sleipnirr I actually feel like he’s kind of different ? I don’t remember ever seeing him post this much early on, I feel like usually he pops in like halfway through the phase then again at phase change. Oh shit that does remind me, sleipnirr never posts this much during the first 24 hours, normally he just observes. |
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Togs said: lastwhisper31 said: Mm maybe, I’m aware that lots of people have been saying you weren’t even scummy in Kiznaiver and just busy, but honestly I feel like it’s more a mindset thing than quantity or even quality of posts. I just get the feel this game you want to figure things out, your interactions with Albertino seemed legitimately speculative and you expressed desire to see the gamestate develop more. In the last game I got the sense that you were always comfortable with the present game state despite you not saying much. IDK, maybe it is just a coincidence for that game and if so then all you have to do is consistently, over the course of a game, play like you are now when you’re scum and you will rek me. But until then I’m going to read you how my gut is telling to you and even though it’s early I feel like you’re prooobably town.@Togs For me kiznaiver was in my queue haha, like regardless if I was scum, or town id wouldnt have been active in day 1 regardless, cause I was focusing harder on the Morning After game, still zymf ate me the fuck alive. Shinichi-Kun said: Do you have anything on his scum meta ? I think he’s always been town the the games I played with him so I don’t really have any metric to compare his play to.Oh shit that does remind me, sleipnirr never posts this much during the first 24 hours, normally he just observes. Not really back before he went on hiatus he was always just lynched as a scapegoat, he either flipped town or scum. Most of the time the accusations were quite ridiculous, so i really dont know what would actually make him scum. |
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| Beep boop beep Printing Vote Count 1.1 aa-dono (1): Shinichi-Kun LucianRoy (2): The_Pyromaani, Sleipnirr AlbertinoDias (2): Wen294, Zymf Wen294 (1): Togs Suzune-Chan (1): aa-dono Red_Salmon (1): AlbertinoDias LastWhsiper31 (1): ironace Shinichi-Kun (2): Red_Salmon, LucianRoy Togs (1): Gwendolly Not Voting (3): AbuHumaid, Suzune-Chan, LastWhisper31 With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Hypothetically with 12 alive it would take 7 to lynch. Time until Night 1 Please alert me if I've made any mistakes. |
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LucianRoy said: Sleipnirr said: So Lucian I am aware that I did not play with you in the Morning after game but this is not the lucian I remember. The Lucian I remember would play like lamby or grr and stay under the radar with troll or NAI posts be it town or scum. So why is the drastic change in the Meta. I can't say anything game relevant to that game because it's ongoing, but I will say this as a general statement: I realized why I was playing poorly and decided to change it. I also realized what strengths I had in my past town-games, and so I tried isolating those. There is only one game I remember you playing like this and that was the game where you just returned from the Hiatus and after that settled on the troll meta. So if you dont mind me again why is the drastic change? I probably wasn't suffering from burnout. Now I know what mistakes I can make in my town-game. I can hold myself to a standard and try to play perfectly, leaving minimum room for error. Making fluff posts, being satirical, and being overly emotional in-game got in the way of that. That said, I don't leave camaraderie or fun at the door. I have to say that I dont trust this current lucian as I believe you might be scum trying to control the flow of the game as we dont have any vocal players like logic or queen in the game. I think controolling the flow of the game is going to be mafia's main objective this game since its a lynch lock system and we need all 8 votes to lynch someone so if they control the majority or at least make them doubt it will be a win for them and knowing this coupled with your drastic change of meta (from my perspective) I can see you bein scum. I suppose we are now out of Rvs. It sounds almost like you're favoring the inactive RVS state of the game prior to post 30 or so. If you think that I am scum wanting to control the pace of the game, then how do I benefit from an active and engaged town? Is there anything else that I said you see coming from a scum mindset or scum!Lucian for that matter? --- AbuHumaid said: Oh shit it started Shit has indeed started. What's your take on Sleiph's vote? Its simple why would you want an active and engaged town. I already said the benefits of scum controlling the flow but let me state it again. If you remember SoulEaterQueen's past games when she was scum she tended to keep town active despite normally that being harmfull for scum but when she did that it was usefull to the scum instead. The reason being since she was controlling the flow she was choosing who was going to be lynched or focused and she played it magnificently. She focused a townie till the end of the phase and when that townie claimed near the end of the phase they had to randomly pick a lynch which would end up another townie. So I believe you are trying to do the same here. Controlling the town while being active and gaining town cred and protecting your teammates. Remember that this is a majority lynch if scum manages to keep us from lynching , the towns greatest if not only weapon will be gone and they would be as good as won. So Lucian seeing this and your change in meta cant you really say why I am voting you right now? |
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Sleipnirr said: LucianRoy said: I can't say anything game relevant to that game because it's ongoing, but I will say this as a general statement: I realized why I was playing poorly and decided to change it. I also realized what strengths I had in my past town-games, and so I tried isolating those. I probably wasn't suffering from burnout. Now I know what mistakes I can make in my town-game. I can hold myself to a standard and try to play perfectly, leaving minimum room for error. Making fluff posts, being satirical, and being overly emotional in-game got in the way of that. That said, I don't leave camaraderie or fun at the door. I suppose we are now out of Rvs. It sounds almost like you're favoring the inactive RVS state of the game prior to post 30 or so. If you think that I am scum wanting to control the pace of the game, then how do I benefit from an active and engaged town? Is there anything else that I said you see coming from a scum mindset or scum!Lucian for that matter? --- Shit has indeed started. What's your take on Sleiph's vote? Its simple why would you want an active and engaged town. I already said the benefits of scum controlling the flow but let me state it again. If you remember SoulEaterQueen's past games when she was scum she tended to keep town active despite normally that being harmfull for scum but when she did that it was usefull to the scum instead. The reason being since she was controlling the flow she was choosing who was going to be lynched or focused and she played it magnificently. She focused a townie till the end of the phase and when that townie claimed near the end of the phase they had to randomly pick a lynch which would end up another townie. So I believe you are trying to do the same here. Controlling the town while being active and gaining town cred and protecting your teammates. Remember that this is a majority lynch if scum manages to keep us from lynching , the towns greatest if not only weapon will be gone and they would be as good as won. So Lucian seeing this and your change in meta cant you really say why I am voting you right now? or maybe thats what your trying to do? Im all for wild theories but this takes the cake, you literally came up with this after one post. Maybe its you manipulating the game, eyy? see how easily this can be turned around? Jesus... lol. Lmao and as someone that had a self meta created for them after like one game I can relate, but im telling you now, as someone who has seen this apparently returned Lucian, I can tell you hes no different then usual. But I guess thats all a matter of opinion isnt it? Edit: he has many more posts now I get that it, but the main accusation came after one specific post. Edit 2: Going to sleep now |
_WispJul 26, 2017 10:26 PM
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Shinichi-Kun said: It stays Eight. AlbertinoDias said: Yes yes, I know day 1 we can't have a tie, but day 2 we can, I was just asking what would happen, I know games where it ends with no lunch and games where the coin is flipped to see who dies we can never have a tie lol unless im doing math wrong @Grapefruit21 if the players remaining is even will he majority be upped? Like if 14 players are alive would the majority be 8 or sitll stay 7? |
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| Good morning folks! unvote Replying to quotes now lastwhisper31 said: my forum avatar is from darker then black 2, shit season btw, I like the characters but the plot was ass.lm still waiting for the real season 2. My profile pic is just a random sexy pic I found drawn by some artist I forgot. Kotaku posts a lot of artist compliations and I found that one. Yea I was referring to the forum one. Looked like someone from an awesome VN I played once. Will watch Darker than Black someday for sure :p @Shinichi-Kun Good to hear. Yea! :) may town have less robot killings @Zymf I was not aware of such a thing :o I learn new stuff everyday |
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| I kinda would like to know what everyone else thinks of sleip. Like I'm ok with wild theories, in the psycho pass game I was all about wild theories to solve the game, and you know what I was wrong with most of them, and it's ok to be wrong. I just think basing all of this off of someone's self meta is just too empty, I would need something more to join on this lynch train. Maybe I'm just bias because I haven't seen this other side of him your referring to |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| I would really want there to be a lynch D1. Not being able to get a lynch would be a disadvantage for town. So far no one seems exceptionally scummy though. Lucian feels towny. Sleipnirr, as I remember him from last game, is being his same pushy self. I suspect the mafia may be playing the shadow game. ie. being all sneaky and quiet >.> |
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Red_Salmon said: Good morning and good night hahaGood morning folks! unvote |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Red_Salmon said: We will most definitely need a lynch. I'm still waiting for the others to chime in. Gotta check tomorrow and maybe ping the less active players like Logic does hahaI would really want there to be a lynch D1. Not being able to get a lynch would be a disadvantage for town. So far no one seems exceptionally scummy though. Lucian feels towny. Sleipnirr, as I remember him from last game, is being his same pushy self. I suspect the mafia may be playing the shadow game. ie. being all sneaky and quiet >.> |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
I wake up at twilight ~~ lastwhisper31 said: Red_Salmon said: We will most definitely need a lynch. I'm still waiting for the others to chime in. Gotta check tomorrow and maybe ping the less active players like Logic does hahaI would really want there to be a lynch D1. Not being able to get a lynch would be a disadvantage for town. So far no one seems exceptionally scummy though. Lucian feels towny. Sleipnirr, as I remember him from last game, is being his same pushy self. I suspect the mafia may be playing the shadow game. ie. being all sneaky and quiet >.> Yea! I'll ping 'em later tonight |
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Shinichi-Kun said: that was also what I was planning to but this game is different. Normally I have no qualm with being inactive and waiting because I know that when I come back the game will still be there but this time there is the possibility of early finishing as soon as hitting 8 votes on someone so there is not really a point of waiting as the phase might just end before you even get a chance to get a chance to say something. So I suggest if somebody is thinking along this lines and just observing I would suggest them to start posting and join the discussionTogs said: Re: Sleipnirr I actually feel like he’s kind of different ? I don’t remember ever seeing him post this much early on, I feel like usually he pops in like halfway through the phase then again at phase change. Oh shit that does remind me, sleipnirr never posts this much during the first 24 hours, normally he just observes. |
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