Phraze said: roz1roz said: u answered only when I said I wont be around. nice~I explained Cross in the long post you called nothing. The point I don't like here is: "the fact that Cross was the one to spot Roz first is towncred bussing, but changed mind towards the end and hammered town pr. that along with Roz suspecting me over Cross despite that scummy move.. leads me to think Roz is scum." So the fact that someone else changed a vote is a reason you are scumreading me. You can scumread both of us for this action, but if Cross were to flip town, that is not making scum out of me. Obviously. How tf did you get this as argument that I'm scum out of someones else vote change. pull out the exact quote that says u were townreading Cross from ur post pls. and yes, I scumhunt via association whether u like it or not. gamestate and association are my ways of analysis, which is not as solid as VCAs or interaction, but good enough for me. u also said trusting ur reads is smthing u should do, so dont point fingers now I scumread u by association. that is quite a valid argument. Once again. I'm european. You can't expect me to answer at 6 am in the morning. But you clearly do. Scumreading via association is fine, I do the same, but that's not what I was acussing you for. Your "read" was "Crossbell is scummy, so if they changed vote from roz, roz might be scum too" Now you stopped scumreading Crossbell after the claim, so why are you still using the same thing to push me? Phraze, that's basic logic. You made an implication that if Cross is scum, it points to me being scum. Fine. But since you stopped voting Cross after the claim, that meaning you think Cross might be town, the implication fails.  As you see, if Cross is town, that would point to me being or not being scum at this point. Using it now to push your read, when you stopped believing in part of it... is stupid at least. |
RE1031 said: @roz1roz Is there any reason you're not voting Phraze right now? It just bothers me that you're not voting anyone. Same for @CorruptedPurity . I actually never vote till EOD usualy. That's just my meta. I don't quickhammers. |
Phraze said: roz1roz said: I see. v interesting since ur the pro at mechanics~ is it possible u asked him to claim this role?It's actually very normal role. http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Parity%20Cop To wich point you are gonna use arguments like that. Parity cop is well known role. I'm playing at one game at wich Parity Cop died n1 even right now. (Hydra with CP). Me knowing a role they claim is... indicative that we are mafia together? Are you crazy? Looking that last game I even knew what was a dreaming god role, suggesting that I wouldn't know this role anyway is... like... lmao. |
| So Im gunna start off this, say this is fear mongering, but I feel as if I need to push something with my own reasoning instead of voting only off tone and sheeping. But what if Cross really isn't the parity cop? Like with any cop role its easy to just change the first word, and you could easily lie about anything. What if Cross is really the mafia role cop, and think, claiming parity cop wouldn't even be that hard because he knows everyone's' role and it would be extremely easy to confuse the masses. Secondly he wouldn't even catch flack for it because he would only know one is mafia, not which one. So im stuck at a 50/50 here, is Cross the mafia cop, or is Cross the town parity cop? and this would explain the weird vibes I got from his posts, getting angered at the slow start, getting angry at votes against him, constantly town leaning me off tone? I really hope im not digging myself into a terrible tunnel here. The reason I dont post these, is because i'm always afraid of being wrong. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
roz1roz said: OMG this fucker just posted a truth table, dude I love you right now haha.Phraze said: u answered only when I said I wont be around. nice~ pull out the exact quote that says u were townreading Cross from ur post pls. and yes, I scumhunt via association whether u like it or not. gamestate and association are my ways of analysis, which is not as solid as VCAs or interaction, but good enough for me. u also said trusting ur reads is smthing u should do, so dont point fingers now I scumread u by association. that is quite a valid argument. Once again. I'm european. You can't expect me to answer at 6 am in the morning. But you clearly do. Scumreading via association is fine, I do the same, but that's not what I was acussing you for. Your "read" was "Crossbell is scummy, so if they changed vote from roz, roz might be scum too" Now you stopped scumreading Crossbell after the claim, so why are you still using the same thing to push me? Phraze, that's basic logic. You made an implication that if Cross is scum, it points to me being scum. Fine. But since you stopped voting Cross after the claim, that meaning you think Cross might be town, the implication fails. As you see, if Cross is town, that would point to me being or not being scum at this point. Using it now to push your read, when you stopped believing in part of it... is stupid at least. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
roz1roz said: nah. actually coincides with my former reasons. claimed town pr should be given a chance. u apparently arent pr, so u can go without damages. u also have been hitting a brick wall with me rather than scumhunting or wanting out of the tunnel. Cross isnt off the table for me, but he has higher chances of surviving compared to u whoPhraze said: u answered only when I said I wont be around. nice~ pull out the exact quote that says u were townreading Cross from ur post pls. and yes, I scumhunt via association whether u like it or not. gamestate and association are my ways of analysis, which is not as solid as VCAs or interaction, but good enough for me. u also said trusting ur reads is smthing u should do, so dont point fingers now I scumread u by association. that is quite a valid argument. Once again. I'm european. You can't expect me to answer at 6 am in the morning. But you clearly do. Scumreading via association is fine, I do the same, but that's not what I was acussing you for. Your "read" was "Crossbell is scummy, so if they changed vote from roz, roz might be scum too" Now you stopped scumreading Crossbell after the claim, so why are you still using the same thing to push me? Phraze, that's basic logic. You made an implication that if Cross is scum, it points to me being scum. Fine. But since you stopped voting Cross after the claim, that meaning you think Cross might be town, the implication fails. As you see, if Cross is town, that would point to me being or not being scum at this point. Using it now to push your read, when you stopped believing in part of it... is stupid at least. - tunneled on me - refused to look elsewhere despite the gamestate and limited time atm - not telling me what makes u sure about me other than asspulls off wtv I replied u |
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roz1roz said: flailing again //rolls eyesPhraze said: I see. v interesting since ur the pro at mechanics~ is it possible u asked him to claim this role? To wich point you are gonna use arguments like that. Parity cop is well known role. I'm playing at one game at wich Parity Cop died n1 even right now. (Hydra with CP). Me knowing a role they claim is... indicative that we are mafia together? Are you crazy? Looking that last game I even knew what was a dreaming god role, suggesting that I wouldn't know this role anyway is... like... lmao. |
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| Catching up right now. Also seconded on the truth table thing. I am continuously plagued by filling those out in class so it's nice to see one invade my personal hobbies. |
lastwhisper31 said: lol I like this. played a game with mafia cop before (I was scumbud). there's easily gonna be only 1 cop.So Im gunna start off this, say this is fear mongering, but I feel as if I need to push something with my own reasoning instead of voting only off tone and sheeping. But what if Cross really isn't the parity cop? Like with any cop role its easy to just change the first word, and you could easily lie about anything. What if Cross is really the mafia role cop, and think, claiming parity cop wouldn't even be that hard because he knows everyone's' role and it would be extremely easy to confuse the masses. Secondly he wouldn't even catch flack for it because he would only know one is mafia, not which one. So im stuck at a 50/50 here, is Cross the mafia cop, or is Cross the town parity cop? and this would explain the weird vibes I got from his posts, getting angered at the slow start, getting angry at votes against him, constantly town leaning me off tone? I really hope im not digging myself into a terrible tunnel here. The reason I dont post these, is because i'm always afraid of being wrong. tho I aint worried about it atm, trying to find possible associations and ideas. mafia role cop is harmless |
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lastwhisper31 said: I would be modgaming to answer this seriously, and I don't want to do that. That said, Cross needs to answer my question (though I probably won't be moving my vote).So Im gunna start off this, say this is fear mongering, but I feel as if I need to push something with my own reasoning instead of voting only off tone and sheeping. But what if Cross really isn't the parity cop? Like with any cop role its easy to just change the first word, and you could easily lie about anything. What if Cross is really the mafia role cop, and think, claiming parity cop wouldn't even be that hard because he knows everyone's' role and it would be extremely easy to confuse the masses. Secondly he wouldn't even catch flack for it because he would only know one is mafia, not which one. So im stuck at a 50/50 here, is Cross the mafia cop, or is Cross the town parity cop? and this would explain the weird vibes I got from his posts, getting angered at the slow start, getting angry at votes against him, constantly town leaning me off tone? I really hope im not digging myself into a terrible tunnel here. The reason I dont post these, is because i'm always afraid of being wrong. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| so theres 14 people left in this game, but I feel like theres only like 7 people existing right now |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
lastwhisper31 said: ikr. was thinking we can ask maf to help us kill off inactives. tho I remember being in a game where maf didnt do that. not gonna risk itso theres 14 people left in this game, but I feel like theres only like 7 people existing right now |
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Phraze said: Nah I think they would go after inactives since attacking an active person might indicate a relation to the player and some dots might connect to them killing inactives is easy as there isnt any tracks left to followlastwhisper31 said: ikr. was thinking we can ask maf to help us kill off inactives. tho I remember being in a game where maf didnt do that. not gonna risk itso theres 14 people left in this game, but I feel like theres only like 7 people existing right now |
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Phraze said: roz1roz said: flailing again //rolls eyesTo wich point you are gonna use arguments like that. Parity cop is well known role. I'm playing at one game at wich Parity Cop died n1 even right now. (Hydra with CP). Me knowing a role they claim is... indicative that we are mafia together? Are you crazy? Looking that last game I even knew what was a dreaming god role, suggesting that I wouldn't know this role anyway is... like... lmao. No, just pointing the arguments from your sides wich doesn't make any sense. And now you are bakctracking instead of answering it. AGAIN. |
| vote : CoruptedPurrity |
CorruptedPurity said: I agree that at least one scum would be on one of our both trains combined. Who is that scum, though?Also, 4 people combined on both our trains. I say that scum is 100% guaranteed to at least be one of them. Agree or disagree? Do not look at the names, just based on the fact they are voting us and based on what you understand of both you and I. At least one of the people on our trains is scum, yes or no? RE1031 said: My ability is called Sketch.Does your ability have a specific name? Like how grrr's ability is called "The Master of Killing Time." edit: I'm also curious if you can target dead players? And I can't target dead players. AlbertinoDias said: I'm really banking on the world where the mafia doesn't have a disruptor ability of some kind but I don't think that they have a roleblocker because of modgaming. But yeah, I'll target you Tonight.3-Crossbell, i will trust your claim, but you need to use your ability on me if you don't, i'ma kill you IGMYOU (i can't really do that but you understand xD) |
roz1roz said: I alrdy told u the arguments are based on my reads. even detailed how I came to that conclusion, and it isnt as senseless as u make it out to be. I based it on association and gamestate. good enough?Phraze said: flailing again //rolls eyes No, just pointing the arguments from your sides wich doesn't make any sense. And now you are bakctracking instead of answering it. AGAIN. |
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roz1roz said: reasons?vote : CoruptedPurrity |
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| soooo Hows everyone doing on this fine day? @phraze do you believe Cross's claim? @Roz1roz who are your scum leans for fuck sakes? @Karote hi? @CorruptedPurity in you little x y z scenario, who do you think is scum? My townreads are scumreading me and my scumreads are townreading me. Exception being cross. What can you infer from this? Remove names and just infer from the situation. X scumreads Y while Y townreads X Z townreads Y while Y scumreads Z Based on these two statements, is X,Y or Z most likely to be scum? @sleipnirr where are you willing to vote? @Crossbell Idk what to ask you, im in a weird spot with you right now. If you are town, who do you think are mafia off the top of your head. @gruffin Why are you so head strong that I'm mafia? I can say my game has been pretty bad, but I have tried to be honest and engaged. @Re1031 this current vote count is trash, so what are we gunna do about it? |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Sleipnirr said: honestly, nope. I was scum and my buds killed off the townreads. town wanted to compromise on lynching inactives but not much agreed, meaning maf didnt listen. sure enough, my buds killed off the townreads. I personally would comply, but not sure others wouldPhraze said: Nah I think they would go after inactives since attacking an active person might indicate a relation to the player and some dots might connect to them killing inactives is easy as there isnt any tracks left to followikr. was thinking we can ask maf to help us kill off inactives. tho I remember being in a game where maf didnt do that. not gonna risk it |
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roz1roz said: ok?vote : CoruptedPurrity |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| also what is mod gaming? |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Sleipnirr said: I never go after inactives, unless I believe there is a chance for them to flip a PR role.Phraze said: Nah I think they would go after inactives since attacking an active person might indicate a relation to the player and some dots might connect to them killing inactives is easy as there isnt any tracks left to followikr. was thinking we can ask maf to help us kill off inactives. tho I remember being in a game where maf didnt do that. not gonna risk it |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| Like I said last, I think the mafia are just lurking waiting for the town to devour themselves. My only real scumread is on dono rn but I would feel uncomfortable voting off someone who requested replacement. |
| I won't miss CP. I think it's ridiculous and unfair that his only read that he's solidified on is a townread on Abu. He's not voting anyone, and that is the only way we are going to catch scum. I can't think of any good reason he would put that much effort into clearing Abu and not elaborating on his scum reads. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
lastwhisper31 said: Figuring out the setup based on the mechanics and roles.also what is mod gaming? |
| will take my chances. in the event it is true, we have few pr claims to wine the mafia with. if its not true, he will be D3 lynch. I also would like to give Cross a chance. I've seen similar attitude from him in my first mafia game, where he was scum and mislynched by faking panic, but I dont wanna use meta on him. meta says he's scum, but I would like to be proven wrong. 0.0001% chance of that happening tho :P |
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| @Lastwhisper31 aa-dono Karote kit and Rosie But if I have to say my most scummy read is currently at dono because of the whole day phase 1 I noticed a trend on her posts. First she would fluff then she would give a town read, defend, fluff, give a town read, defend. I dont like how I didnt see dono openly calling anyone scum and instead give too much town read. This was what I was mentioning last time I was here. Backread progress: currently reading page 33 |
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| Man. I disagree with the CP lynch. I think he's town who is just disengaged with the game, since I felt like his posts early on in Day 1 felt townie. But the only alternative players I can present to actually have a shot of flipping red are lurkers. WHAT IS IT WITH ME THIS GAME. |
RE1031 said: well i didnt mean the actual players up for lynch I just meant the amount of people voting, and the odd votes out. My bad if I was confusing.I won't miss CP. I think it's ridiculous and unfair that his only read that he's solidified on is a townread on Abu. He's not voting anyone, and that is the only way we are going to catch scum. I can't think of any good reason he would put that much effort into clearing Abu and not elaborating on his scum reads. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Crossbell said: Cross I can tell you, that you are not the only one at a loss right now.Man. I disagree with the CP lynch. I think he's town who is just disengaged with the game, since I felt like his posts early on in Day 1 felt townie. But the only alternative players I can present to actually have a shot of flipping red are lurkers. WHAT IS IT WITH ME THIS GAME. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Crossbell said: can u work by association and find someone besides Dono? it looks like a tunnel from D1, and given the flips we have, tunnels are badLike I said last, I think the mafia are just lurking waiting for the town to devour themselves. My only real scumread is on dono rn but I would feel uncomfortable voting off someone who requested replacement. |
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Crossbell said: and I can agree, I am back and forth with how I feel about CPMan. I disagree with the CP lynch. I think he's town who is just disengaged with the game, since I felt like his posts early on in Day 1 felt townie. But the only alternative players I can present to actually have a shot of flipping red are lurkers. WHAT IS IT WITH ME THIS GAME. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Crossbell said: scum can fake early town and zone off to keep that status. also, yeah I wanna throw this game to the fucking wall lmaoMan. I disagree with the CP lynch. I think he's town who is just disengaged with the game, since I felt like his posts early on in Day 1 felt townie. But the only alternative players I can present to actually have a shot of flipping red are lurkers. WHAT IS IT WITH ME THIS GAME. |
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Vote Count 2.7 CorruptedPurity (3): RE1031, lastwhisper31. roz1roz roz1roz (2): Oyasumi_Rosie, Phraze lastwhisper31 (1): Gruffin Sleipnirr (1): Crossbell aa-dono (1): AlbertinoDias Not Voting (6): Kit, aa-dono, CorruptedPurity, Sleipnirr, AbuHumaid, Karote >>Day 2 Timer<< |
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| 55min left |
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Crossbell said: If CP is disengaged, then how much do we have to lose by lynching him? Versus a shot in the dark with voting for a lurker.Man. I disagree with the CP lynch. I think he's town who is just disengaged with the game, since I felt like his posts early on in Day 1 felt townie. But the only alternative players I can present to actually have a shot of flipping red are lurkers. WHAT IS IT WITH ME THIS GAME. I mean, if you really want to, I'll go for Karote. His vote on Dias day 1 felt really unnatural. But that's it. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| CorruptedPurity (2): RE1031, lastwhisper31 Crossbell (2): AlbertinoDias, Phraze Who is scum here? RE1031 and Dias softed power. Phraze is likely town because of behavior. Last has some townie tone which I mentioned earlier. WHO IS SCUM??? |
| I want to lynch people who will flip red though, RE. I don't want to justify lynches as "how much do we lose by lynching them" And CP is a pretty good player IIRC? |
| Okay for now my vote will stay here. I am open to changing it if necesarry vote:aa-dono |
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Crossbell said: Exactly. CorruptedPurity.CorruptedPurity (2): RE1031, lastwhisper31 Crossbell (2): AlbertinoDias, Phraze Who is scum here? RE1031 and Dias softed power. Phraze is likely town because of behavior. Last has some townie tone which I mentioned earlier. WHO IS SCUM??? Um, but don't take my word for it, if you'd recall what happened last phase .-. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Crossbell said: What if we are all town?CorruptedPurity (2): RE1031, lastwhisper31 Crossbell (2): AlbertinoDias, Phraze Who is scum here? RE1031 and Dias softed power. Phraze is likely town because of behavior. Last has some townie tone which I mentioned earlier. WHO IS SCUM??? |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| Actually vote : Sleipnirr |
Reasosn? |
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| Catching up. |
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| Well for one ur vote on dono is trash, and I also kinda wanna see where roz is going with this? Ur inactvitiy is pretty nai so hes needs something more to convince me |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Crossbell said: You think aa-dono is scum. You solve any issues by lynching her, so you don't have to worry about having to read a replacement. It's even possible she'll get modkilled if we can't find a replacement - and I get the feeling we're going to be needing a lot more replacements.I want to lynch people who will flip red though, RE. I don't want to justify lynches as "how much do we lose by lynching them" And CP is a pretty good player IIRC? I also don't really understand your vote on Sleipnirr. edit: I forgot to reply to the last statement. Yeah, I'd say so. Either you treat his behavior as disengaged (which I don't understand given he made a post about how to get more people engaged), or he's scum stalling. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
lastwhisper31 said: Well for one ur vote on dono is trash, and I also kinda wanna see where roz is going with this? Ur inactvitiy is pretty nai so hes needs something more to convince me As I mentioned earlier, I didn't like yesterdays vote from nowhere on Grrr, with a very weak reasoning added to it. |
| @roz1roz ?? |
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