I'm suspectig Gwen and Claire the most here because of two things:
1) They didn't vote for scum, simple.
2) TheConquerer's train was really random. No one on this train had a good reason for their vote. What's suspicious is that they kept their vote on him and didn't move on.
It's possible scum were bussing Holo that day, maybe they were thinking he would be lynched anyway. But if you look at past vote counts, confirmed scum players were usually *not* voting for each other at the end of the day. The only exception to this rule is Suzune's D4 vote - but she probably thought she would be lynched, and wanted to clear KOtA.
So I'm just gonna go with the most obvious thought process: Scum's win con is to survive and eliminate townies. It goes against their win con to vote for each other, *unless* they have to. As in, they're suspected and desperately need some towncred.
None of the players on Holo's train were heavily suspected, though. If they were scum, they could just have leaned back, hoping people wouldn't actually lynch Holo in the end.
Also, theConquerer had 4 votes, Holo had 6. If I was scum I wouldn't have voted for Holo when he's this close to surviving the lynch.
Suzune and KOtA were leading in votes during D4. First I accused KOtA because I had roleblocked him and thought he hadn't been able to kill anyone. But Claire suddenly told us she'd received a message saying that "someone was healed". = She lied about her passive ability though, so couldn't have received such a message.
Then people started to suspect Suzune, especially after Lupa's/Togs' claim + Lamby's claim that she had "murdered something" was still on everybody's mind.
It was Claire who antagonized Togs because of his character claim.
Lord_Sithis, Gwendolly and Karote decided the lynch, they all changed their votes to Togs.
I really believe scum was on this train - as it was the perfect opportunity to save BOTH their buddies Suzune and KOtA.
I highly doubt scum was on Suzune's train at the end of that day - which rules out theConquerer and Sightless.
This is now really between Claire/Rinto, Gwendolly, Karote and Lord_Sithis.
+Tingle was inactive that phase - so she's a null read.
Based on his D4 behavior, I'm town-reading Karote.
So Rinto / Gwen / Sithis.
Although I'm now suspecting Gwen more than Sithis. Because after re-reading what happened during D4, I'm thinking Lord_Sithis didn't have a problem with KOtA/Suzune trains, his vote change seemed to be a last minute decision.
Gwen's posts on the other hand gave me the impression that she was interested whether people found Suzune's claim convincing. In one of her posts she was also saying she didn't believe Zombie's claim (that he was poisoned by her), and that she thought "KOtA hadn'd done anything" the night before.
She was subtly trying to sway people's opinons.
And right after the lynch, she was saying how she found Lamby suspicious, implying that the mislynch had been his fault.
Votes
Karote => lynched scum twice
D1: DenjaX > aa-dono > Tingle
D2: Karote
D3: Gwendolly > Holocaster
D4: KOtA > Karote > Suzune-chan > Togs > Karote > Togs
D5: KOtA
Hm sorry I was too busy to come back to this yesterday.
@Coromandel I guess you are right Claire has been pushing some pro-scum points this game.. I still really feel like she was genuine though. But I also don't honestly know who could be scum other than Karote. I guess lynching them is not the worst but my instincts really tell me that they are town. My instincts have failed me before though >.> But to me it keeps coming back to Claire's reaction after my flip, that just screams so townie..
About Karote, I don't think he can be cleared off of the D4 post.. sure it's "towny" but it's not completely town-confirming, scum don't only do scummy things they can do towny things too. The hard part is keeping it up consistently. If you look at the post in question Karote seems to be heavily supporting Suzune's claim, also in a post just below that where he states his opinions on players... he doesn't actually state a negative opinion on KOta at all ! He just says he doesn't know what to make of her, which is a very fence-sitty position.
I think this is a conceivable action for Karote to take as scum. For example with Gwendolly, I don't think she is the level of scum player who could consistently fake the mindset she has been doing. I think if she's scum she has been faking a town mindset better than Suzune did, and I've heard to watch out for Suzune's scum game before but never anything about Gwendolly.
On the other hand Karote I've seen as scum a few times and he's always unpredictable.. I can completely believe that this is an action scum!Karote could take. He isn't consistent but he is consistently random, when scum he has kind of a "don't give a damn" attitude he could hit all kinds of notes on everyone's radars. And it was just a few townie actions that you are reading him on, not a consistent pattern of townieness.
But really, I saw no harm in it. Unless scum decided to last minute jump ship to save scum didn't see a way for Rinto to not get lynched. The vote itself is a suspicion vote.
HAHAHAHAHA!! I KNEW YOU WOULD DO THAT RINTO!!
The trains were 4 Rinto and 3 me. I figured out that last minute you would vote me and I would be lynched. Sensing that obvious danger, I claimed. Sorry :)
Item List Phoenix Down x 1 (150 gil): revive one player of your choosing. Paralyze Potion x 1 (65 gil): roleblock a player of your choosing.
Disguise Potion x 1 (40 gil): investigated as town.
Antidotes x 1 (50 gil): removes poison.
Holy Water x 1 (50 gil): removes oil.
Gold Needle x 1 (50 gil): removes petrification.
Turbo Ether x 1(120 gil): allows you to perform your limit break once more (if you have the exp).
Megalixer x 1 (100 gil): perform your night action without being stopped.
Elixer x 1 (50 gil): perform your night action without being stopped (50 % accuracy).
Hi-Potion x 1 (50 gil): makes any action that is targeted on you have 75 % accuracy. X-Potion x 1 (75 gil): makes any action that is targeted on you have 50 % accuracy.
Magnify Glass x 1 (35 gil): you are able to learn how much gil/exp another player has.
Wow I underestimated Claire.. I didn't want to believe she was evil enough to knowingly push me when I couldn't respond but I guess I was wrong ;__; Still one less scum does make me feel better.
I can target 1 person. I get all of their Gil & items if any.
The previous Night I targeted Grrr, they had 110 gil on them and nothing else.
Why did I target Grr? Because on the Day Zombie died Grr mentioned they had enough to buy an Antidote potion to save them but didn't. This told me they at least had 50 gil. Which would be enough for me to buy the Phoenix Down which was my goal the whole time. With that huge sum + quest gold & what I already had this gave me a grand total of 260 gil.
I'm suspectig Gwen and Claire the most here because of two things:
1) They didn't vote for scum, simple.
2) TheConquerer's train was really random. No one on this train had a good reason for their vote. What's suspicious is that they kept their vote on him and didn't move on.
It's possible scum were bussing Holo that day, maybe they were thinking he would be lynched anyway. But if you look at past vote counts, confirmed scum players were usually *not* voting for each other at the end of the day. The only exception to this rule is Suzune's D4 vote - but she probably thought she would be lynched, and wanted to clear KOtA.
So I'm just gonna go with the most obvious thought process: Scum's win con is to survive and eliminate townies. It goes against their win con to vote for each other, *unless* they have to. As in, they're suspected and desperately need some towncred.
None of the players on Holo's train were heavily suspected, though. If they were scum, they could just have leaned back, hoping people wouldn't actually lynch Holo in the end.
Also, theConquerer had 4 votes, Holo had 6. If I was scum I wouldn't have voted for Holo when he's this close to surviving the lynch.
Suzune and KOtA were leading in votes during D4. First I accused KOtA because I had roleblocked him and thought he hadn't been able to kill anyone. But Claire suddenly told us she'd received a message saying that "someone was healed". = She lied about her passive ability though, so couldn't have received such a message.
Then people started to suspect Suzune, especially after Lupa's/Togs' claim + Lamby's claim that she had "murdered something" was still on everybody's mind.
It was Claire who antagonized Togs because of his character claim.
Lord_Sithis, Gwendolly and Karote decided the lynch, they all changed their votes to Togs.
I really believe scum was on this train - as it was the perfect opportunity to save BOTH their buddies Suzune and KOtA.
I highly doubt scum was on Suzune's train at the end of that day - which rules out theConquerer and Sightless.
This is now really between Claire/Rinto, Gwendolly, Karote and Lord_Sithis.
+Tingle was inactive that phase - so she's a null read.
Based on his D4 behavior, I'm town-reading Karote.
So Rinto / Gwen / Sithis.
Although I'm now suspecting Gwen more than Sithis. Because after re-reading what happened during D4, I'm thinking Lord_Sithis didn't have a problem with KOtA/Suzune trains, his vote change seemed to be a last minute decision.
Gwen's posts on the other hand gave me the impression that she was interested whether people found Suzune's claim convincing. In one of her posts she was also saying she didn't believe Zombie's claim (that he was poisoned by her), and that she thought "KOtA hadn'd done anything" the night before.
She was subtly trying to sway people's opinons.
And right after the lynch, she was saying how she found Lamby suspicious, implying that the mislynch had been his fault.
Votes
Karote => lynched scum twice
D1: DenjaX > aa-dono > Tingle
D2: Karote
D3: Gwendolly > Holocaster
D4: KOtA > Karote > Suzune-chan > Togs > Karote > Togs
D5: KOtA
Gwendolly said: So after I wrote my oppinion on you, that I'm not 100% trusting you, I am your number 1 suspect again and you're building a whole case against me all of a sudden? Interesting.
I suspected you before, but then Togs defended you and I let it go.
Meanwhile we lynched KOtA and Rinto, and now I'm back to suspecting you. Because both VCA and your posts (interaction with Suzune) suggest you're bad.
Gwendolly said: As for zombie: Only because I dont trust someone 100% , doesnt mean I immediately have to vote for them, maybe thats what you would do, but I like to wait for things first and see if my trust reduced or increased. This may be a scum move, but I really want to see the whole picture first.
What exactly were your reasons for voting KOtA and Suzune D4?
Gwendolly said: So after I wrote my oppinion on you, that I'm not 100% trusting you, I am your number 1 suspect again and you're building a whole case against me all of a sudden? Interesting.
I suspected you before, but then Togs defended you and I let it go.
Meanwhile we lynched KOtA and Rinto, and now I'm back to suspecting you. Because both VCA and your posts (interaction with Suzune) suggest you're bad.
Gwendolly said: As for zombie: Only because I dont trust someone 100% , doesnt mean I immediately have to vote for them, maybe thats what you would do, but I like to wait for things first and see if my trust reduced or increased. This may be a scum move, but I really want to see the whole picture first.
What exactly were your reasons for voting KOtA and Suzune D4?
Well okay, looks like we can never be best friends in this game :P I have proven my innocence enough. What does VCA stand for?
I voted Suzune for appearing scummy and then Kota for starting a 2nd train, because like Karote said it would be just mindless to just sit there and wait. Simple as that.
Gwendolly said: So after I wrote my oppinion on you, that I'm not 100% trusting you, I am your number 1 suspect again and you're building a whole case against me all of a sudden? Interesting.
I suspected you before, but then Togs defended you and I let it go.
Meanwhile we lynched KOtA and Rinto, and now I'm back to suspecting you. Because both VCA and your posts (interaction with Suzune) suggest you're bad.
Gwendolly said: As for zombie: Only because I dont trust someone 100% , doesnt mean I immediately have to vote for them, maybe thats what you would do, but I like to wait for things first and see if my trust reduced or increased. This may be a scum move, but I really want to see the whole picture first.
What exactly were your reasons for voting KOtA and Suzune D4?
Well okay, looks like we can never be best friends in this game :P I have proven my innocence enough. What does VCA stand for?
I voted Suzune for appearing scummy and then Kota for starting a 2nd train, because like Karote said it would be just mindless to just sit there and wait. Simple as that.
@Grrr is revived
You may welcome him back from the grave.
My soul, corrupted by vengeance
Hath endured torment, to find the end of the journey
In my own salvation
And your eternal slumber
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