Pokeits vote for a 24 hour phase should count twice just saying @abuhumaid 😂😂
blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer
I kinda want to take my revenge on Shinichi by just acting like a complete tool to him in Mason chat, but I don't feel like stooping to his level...
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
osieorb18 said: On a side point, I'm kinda legit pissed off about Scarlet's Excel list because it totally looks like she's trying to suggest OoG info as a ploy to townclear herself. That kind of angleshooting is completely unacceptable.
? What u mean? And what is OoG? I forgot
It implies that she is taking notes in an excel sheet rather than in a secret club.
OoG = Out-of-Game.
That's really dirty if that's what she's doing. She might have actually done the Votal outside of scumchat tho.
you know what.
you can fucking crticse my play. you can critisice what I do.
BUT DONT TRY TO ANGLESHOE ME BASTARD
You can f****** criticise my play, you can criticise my content.
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
It's not his suffering he wishes to prolong, is ours. Because his trolling is so bad it hurts.
Well, if it were me, I'd rather end it sooner what we all know is coming.
Then again, I've never been in a position where I've outted myself as mafia with over a day phase to spare so how could I know \( ̄▽ ̄)/
He's essentially a mafia tree stump for the day, so he is playing correctly if he spams, trolls, and fatigues, but it's also annoying, and a lot of work for him. Shorter day phases are something that is generally pro-scum, but if we're already 100% certain that we're lynching Shinichi, and we have a plan for at least the night if not the rest of the game, I think we're set. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ at why Abu wouldn't do the reduced time if everyone is asking for it.
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
It's not his suffering he wishes to prolong, is ours. Because his trolling is so bad it hurts.
Well, if it were me, I'd rather end it sooner what we all know is coming.
Then again, I've never been in a position where I've outted myself as mafia with over a day phase to spare so how could I know \( ̄▽ ̄)/
He's essentially a mafia tree stump for the day, so he is playing correctly if he spams, trolls, and fatigues, but it's also annoying, and a lot of work for him. Shorter day phases are something that is generally pro-scum, but if we're already 100% certain that we're lynching Shinichi, and we have a plan for at least the night if not the rest of the game, I think we're set. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ at why Abu wouldn't do the reduced time if everyone is asking for it.
osieorb18 said: On a side point, I'm kinda legit pissed off about Scarlet's Excel list because it totally looks like she's trying to suggest OoG info as a ploy to townclear herself. That kind of angleshooting is completely unacceptable.
? What u mean? And what is OoG? I forgot
It implies that she is taking notes in an excel sheet rather than in a secret club.
OoG = Out-of-Game.
That's really dirty if that's what she's doing. She might have actually done the Votal outside of scumchat tho.
you know what.
you can fucking crticse my play. you can critisice what I do.
BUT DONT TRY TO ANGLESHOE ME BASTARD
You can f****** criticise my play, you can criticise my content.
OK I know I'm going to die so just listen to what I said after I flip.
Bye.
I'll post the entirety of my thoughts regarding the above post game. For now, my actual role:
2-shot Tracker 1-shot Watcher.
Do not expect me to post again.
get over it... Ur not even trying, and you are only pushing Osie when I told you he can't be scum... This is scum AtE and it's bad play
blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer
What's the point if he's gonna die anyway even without me voting?
Symbolism?
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
I'm tinfoiling Scarlet town based on tone. It's super AtE, though, so let's stick with the plan. @lastwhisper31: If you're also town and Shin is just wining me, then gladiate Karote, I think. If Scarlet is scum, it's moot, but we'll see.
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer
osieorb18 said: I'm tinfoiling Scarlet town based on tone. It's super AtE, though, so let's stick with the plan. @lastwhisper31: If you're also town and Shin is just wining me, then gladiate Karote, I think. If Scarlet is scum, it's moot, but we'll see.
lol ok
blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer
Section II: Day
1. Each Day phase will last for 24 hours, except for Day 1, Day 2, Day 3, which will last
48 hours.
The Day phase will only extend to 48 hours if a number of replacements are placed in the
game at once.
1.
a. He was Masons (a role that in a normal setup, which this is, would be between two Town players) with Shin. Ergo, both are lying about being Masons.
b. We also had a Neighbourhood. I doubt both Masons and a Neighbourhood would exist in the same setup.
2.
a. He claimed Desperado (a role that in a normal game would have a player shoot during the Day and if the player was Town, they'd die).
b. riku was supposedly shot. He was Town.
c. The shot was at Night.
i. The counter is that it was possible.
ii. However, this form is known as Midnight Desperado.
3.
a. He claimed to have received a Supply Crate.
i. This does not happen in a regular game.
ii. Combine this information with points 1 and 2.
4.
a. His push on me.
b. He claimed that Shin tried to make me start a push against Wisp.
i. I think for myself thank you very much.
ii. If I wanted to push someone who would actually get lynched, why wouldn't I push for ace or Karote or riku?
iii. "He said positive things about scarlet in context with targeting you in a manner that would only come from having talked with her about targeting you." Yet never gives examples pertaining to this behaviour. His excuse was that it was in the Mason chat, which is convenient.
c. The ISO.
i. "The ability does a cop check and then shoots them or me based on the result." Desperado does not work like that, to my understanding.
ii. "I don't even need to live through Shin + Scarlet lynches" Cares about my push on them, does not care if they're shot.
iii. "Explains her RVS to Shin" - Never.
iv. "UNVOTES RVS because she was still on it." - logic asked who was sitting on their RVS. I forgot I was still on it, so unvoted.
v. "Pushes Wisp to Abhu?" - Give me that post.
vi. "Excuse for low activity/etc. D1." - I explicitly said that I had no excuse for this behaviour. Nor should I have missed the second half of that Day.
vii. "Double vote=Godfather, Shin=town, Riku=town, Wisp=ehh, excuses" - Again, context. Secondly, the only game I know Godfather from is Halloween Hostilities so I automatically thought Godfather had a double vote.
viii. "Didn't know Godfather - I'd give benefit of the doubt here usually… Not as certain given Shin's hint." What hint?
ix. Buddying Ruu for potential pocket? - No, I just think she needed a virtual hug.
x. ""TPR and mafia probably killed each other" <- Does she know this, or is she guessing?" - See bold. Since there was no other kills other than Phraze and yurkin, and one was mafia, then the other must have been the factional. Since Phraze was TPR, I assumed them SK.
xi. ""Someone other than yurkin probably performed factional" <- Does she know this, or is she guessing?" - Taken out of context. This was in reply to someone, and isn't even the entire sentence.
xii. "Still going after Pokeit." This was in the Night, prior to his reveal as IC.
xiii. ""Im gonna go do votal analysis and look at yurkin" <- I guess this is NAI at worst." - How so? I did do both.
xiv. "Colored votecount reminds me of something I've seen from another good player mainly as scum." - NAI. I do it as both alignments, though it's the first time I did it here. Also, does not mention that it was probably bad to take notes outside the game in this post.
xv. "Short as heck ISO commentary of Yurkin. Uggh." Go and ISO her yourself then, she didn't post much at all.
xvi. ""I didn't believe yurkin was scum"" Truth, and why would this be alignment indicitive?
xvii. "Yurkin was RVS, and then I wasn't back for phase change. <- Okay. Sure." - You already established that as true yourself.
xviii. "Asking easy question to Shin" - What was the question?
xix. "Yurkin and Last not both scum" - Where did I say that? I said wisp and Shin couldn't both be scum, but not that.
xx. ""I regularly vote scum in RVS."" - That was me panicking that I might be somewhat psychic. Mainly fluff.
d. His continued interaction with Shin.
i. Could be distancing.
ii. He could always ignore him.
e. Confuses a bad read with scum. This was in 2437.
f. Treats himself as if everyone should read him Town in 2441.
g. Possible framing of Karote as TPR, for another lynch for when I flip Town, maybe?
h. His responses to me.
i. Replies to "Desperado can't kill Miller" with "with the same Mod?" Which is inapplicable because I was stating how it should work in a normal context. See 4hii.
ii. Links to Mafia Universe, which suggests that a Night Desperado is called a Midnight Desperado AND shouldn't be considered valid by him if the above is true, since that also suggests that the normal role should have been used.
iii. Why is it when Karote suggests a second TPR you consider it probable, but when I claim there may be 4 scum and 1 TPR you call me a fearmongerer?
iv. The Waking Life game I linked still treats the Desperado role like that of the role database he linked. Ergo, it's applicable.
v. Benefit of doubt with your calculations. I didn't factor in ash's shot. However, Town would still be in Lylo and by lynching you they'd be fine.
vi. 2494. This is basically a retort with no truth to it. Gives a rhetorical question, which if I remember GCSE English Language correctly, is used as a persuasion tactic.
vii. 2495. Don't care.
viii. 2498 is just bitter, again a rhetorical question as in 4hvi. By pinging everyone to it, I'm guessing you made it seem important.
i. The angleshoot. I will not address this, simply because anything I have to say on it would be toxic. However, it was not "OoG information" It was a table I created in order to show the votes at EoD in a nice fashion. This was also not mentioned in the ISO post when osieorb18 talked about it there. "That's really dirty if that's what she's doing." > This is exactly why my thoughts on this are toxic and why I won't share them until post game unless someone heckles me too much.
j. Never explains why they think the Supply Crate could have come from either Karote or Denja.
I'm just going to ignore that entire post and anything having to do with the chart then, since I really don't want this game to turn to shit, and I highly suggest that everyone else do the same.
Abhutrash Karote lastwhisper31 Pokeit RE1031 Ruu
That chart is simply using the vote counts to show patterns in the voting much more clearly. It was also required for me to do in order to make the next post easily accessible.
I created a chart in Google Sheets because I find it the best way to store data or the voting type.
I did not spend any less or more time creating that than I did with any other of my longer posts.
Calling the use of a table dirty I believe is angleshooting, which is just as dirty as what you suggested from me.
@ScarletCelestial
If you're town, explain why you didn't use your shots night 1, and targeted me for night 2.
Link where someone else told you to claim day 2, because I don't remember anyone asking you to. (Even if they did, I don't know why you would just because someone asked).
I don't agree with osie that you played dirty with using an excel chart or anything, but you haven't explained your own reads and night action choices well. How do you *not* check anyone night 1, especially if you're now claiming you weren't one-shot.
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.
RE1031 said: @ScarletCelestial
If you're town, explain why you didn't use your shots night 1, and targeted me for night 2.
Link where someone else told you to claim day 2, because I don't remember anyone asking you to. (Even if they did, I don't know why you would just because someone asked).
I don't agree with osie that you played dirty with using an excel chart or anything, but you haven't explained your own reads and night action choices well. How do you *not* check anyone night 1, especially if you're now claiming you weren't one-shot.
Again:
N1 - Forgot
N2 - Bad Feeling. I also thought about Ruu or Shin, but I really did think it'd be wasted in the end.
I outed you as Cop because I quickly realised that if I outed you and Watched you in the Night then I'd catch your killer straight away. At that point, I thought both you and Ruu were ordinary. I thought Ruu would have Doctored you and that you would have Copped someone you thought scum and we'd have the scum team caught. Then you both outed and it was no longer viable in that form.
This game has simply stressed me out too much, and I'd be asking for a replacement if I wasn't going to get shot in the Night phase.
ScarletCelestial said: I outed you as Cop because I quickly realised that if I outed you and Watched you in the Night then I'd catch your killer straight away. At that point, I thought both you and Ruu were ordinary. I thought Ruu would have Doctored you and that you would have Copped someone you thought scum and we'd have the scum team caught. Then you both outed and it was no longer viable in that form.
Sorry, but the logic behind this plan makes 0 sense to me.
You had a bad feeling about me, but your plan relied on me being cop and outting myself. (Still no explanation for the bad feeling). Your plan seems to revolve on the idea that I should and shouldn't have claimed, which again, makes no sense.
At this point, I just want to believe you're scum because I can't imagine town making this kind of plan up.
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.
@ScarletCelestial: I'm going to be in class, but I have my own heartfelt comment (apology) to make on that that I was writing up in a text file last night. I'll share that within four or five hours at most.
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
osieorb18 said: @ScarletCelestial: I'm going to be in class, but I have my own heartfelt comment (apology) to make on that that I was writing up in a text file last night. I'll share that within four or five hours at most.
Please post it after I rant, otherwise I'll feel bad for ranting, but I kinda need to get that rant out there.
ScarletCelestial said: I outed you as Cop because I quickly realised that if I outed you and Watched you in the Night then I'd catch your killer straight away. At that point, I thought both you and Ruu were ordinary. I thought Ruu would have Doctored you and that you would have Copped someone you thought scum and we'd have the scum team caught. Then you both outed and it was no longer viable in that form.
Sorry, but the logic behind this plan makes 0 sense to me.
You had a bad feeling about me, but your plan relied on me being cop and outting myself. (Still no explanation for the bad feeling). Your plan seems to revolve on the idea that I should and shouldn't have claimed, which again, makes no sense.
At this point, I just want to believe you're scum because I can't imagine town making this kind of plan up.
No, I had a bad feeling then realised you were Cop the next Day phase after you visited Ruu.
osieorb18 said: @ScarletCelestial: I'm going to be in class, but I have my own heartfelt comment (apology) to make on that that I was writing up in a text file last night. I'll share that within four or five hours at most.
Please post it after I rant, otherwise I'll feel bad for ranting, but I kinda need to get that rant out there.
Let's just save it all for the endgame, however that resolves itself.
Needless to say, I'm sorry.
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
Ok so why did Riku and denja die then @scarletcelestial? Unless u can give me answer to that, then Osie isn't scum... Unless Abuh is a mafia vigilante... And Osie is playing us good.
blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer
lastwhisper31 said: Ok so why did Riku and denja die then @scarletcelestial? Unless u can give me answer to that, then Osie isn't scum... Unless Abuh is a mafia vigilante... And Osie is playing us good.
lastwhisper31 said: Ok so why did Riku and denja die then @scarletcelestial? Unless u can give me answer to that, then Osie isn't scum... Unless Abuh is a mafia vigilante... And Osie is playing us good.
I think I would have to be some kind of mafia God to make up this role. I would never think of masonizer plus desperado on my lonesome.
Also, if I were scum, I would have killed Pokeit night 2. I don't have any idea why they didn't do that.
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
ScarletCelestial said: I outed you as Cop because I quickly realised that if I outed you and Watched you in the Night then I'd catch your killer straight away. At that point, I thought both you and Ruu were ordinary. I thought Ruu would have Doctored you and that you would have Copped someone you thought scum and we'd have the scum team caught. Then you both outed and it was no longer viable in that form.
Sorry, but the logic behind this plan makes 0 sense to me.
You had a bad feeling about me, but your plan relied on me being cop and outting myself. (Still no explanation for the bad feeling). Your plan seems to revolve on the idea that I should and shouldn't have claimed, which again, makes no sense.
At this point, I just want to believe you're scum because I can't imagine town making this kind of plan up.
No, I had a bad feeling then realised you were Cop the next Day phase after you visited Ruu.
So why did you make me out myself again? Where did this bad feeling come from?
lastwhisper31 said: Ok so why did Riku and denja die then @scarletcelestial? Unless u can give me answer to that, then Osie isn't scum... Unless Abuh is a mafia vigilante... And Osie is playing us good.
That has been my entire argument, wisp.
Your argument is that in a 15 player game, there are 4 mafia (yurkin/Shinichi/osie/Trash) and at least one TPR (Phraze)?
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.
ScarletCelestial said: I outed you as Cop because I quickly realised that if I outed you and Watched you in the Night then I'd catch your killer straight away. At that point, I thought both you and Ruu were ordinary. I thought Ruu would have Doctored you and that you would have Copped someone you thought scum and we'd have the scum team caught. Then you both outed and it was no longer viable in that form.
Sorry, but the logic behind this plan makes 0 sense to me.
You had a bad feeling about me, but your plan relied on me being cop and outting myself. (Still no explanation for the bad feeling). Your plan seems to revolve on the idea that I should and shouldn't have claimed, which again, makes no sense.
At this point, I just want to believe you're scum because I can't imagine town making this kind of plan up.
No, I had a bad feeling then realised you were Cop the next Day phase after you visited Ruu.
So why did you make me out myself again? Where did this bad feeling come from?
lastwhisper31 said: Ok so why did Riku and denja die then @scarletcelestial? Unless u can give me answer to that, then Osie isn't scum... Unless Abuh is a mafia vigilante... And Osie is playing us good.
That has been my entire argument, wisp.
Your argument is that in a 15 player game, there are 4 mafia (yurkin/Shinichi/osie/Trash) and at least one TPR (Phraze)?
I've never seen 4 mafia and 1 TPR in any game smaller than 17 players, TBH. Though I believe I may have seen setups for it online? I'mma go check that.
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
im gunna go with what I believe and whats balanced, 11-3-1, and thats what I am gunna assume till proven otherwise...
blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer
From my perspective here are the different realistic options:
Osieorb18 is telling the truth. 2 mafia left (including Shinichi-Kun)
Osieorb18 is lying. She's mafia with Shinichi-Kun. (1 other tpr killer left who killed DenjaX, who Shinichi-Kun took credit for) (Or mafia had 2 kills last night for some reason)
Alternatively there's an extra mafia who is Vig (abhu) and they are 3 mafia left including Shin)
Osieorb18 is lying. She's Masonizer Serial Killer.
It's a weird combo, but who knows.
First one sounds most realistic so I'm gonna go with that. So Osie is town is my book.
blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer
Icon is a female with no gender in description D: how should I know lol. My bad then. I'll start referring to him as a dude.
Up to you. I have no issue with being misgendered.
Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwroughtwithgolden andsilver light, The blue and thedim andthe dark cloths Of night andlight andthe half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.