Gwendolly said: But what bothers me more is who covered for wen? Or who WOULD actually cover him and WHY. The potion was bought, so Im assuming it was used or was it some kind of ability. But it makes me think he was scum nonetheless. Umm, mafia probably bought it to hide their role. Do they know the role, I don't know. Holocaster said: D: How on earth did so many people die :< this is getting scary v.v Not only do we have mafia to worry about, but from the shop list it looks like we have a lot of scary third parties, too. Also I wonder why Denja decided to bluff about the Reichan train? None of his abilities looks like it could could do that, so I have no clue. So do you still suspect Claire or me? or do you have any other scum reads? Commenting on things don't really help solve the game. (Especially if they are on obvious things) |
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| To be honest I now am back to suspecting everyone on that Reichan train. Not like I ever stopped, but since Denja bluffed it's back up on my #1 suspicious pole. Also I stick to my previous points about these millers - It's convenient that coro and CP are millers imo. If we read them, they will show up as scum. They now think they're "innocent" just because they claimed. And coro was a driving force on the Reichan train and got defensive when I pointed this out, even though I told her I have read all her posts. Also couldn't millers have abilities and survival conditions that could be against town? Tbh I'm not sure about that. And this is role madness/bastard elements so the rules loosely apply here @@ |
| Currently making a D2 summary. Holocaster said: To be honest I now am back to suspecting everyone on that Reichan train. Not like I ever stopped, but since Denja bluffed it's back up on my #1 suspicious pole. Also I stick to my previous points about these millers - It's convenient that coro and CP are millers imo. If we read them, they will show up as scum. They now think they're "innocent" just because they claimed. And coro was a driving force on the Reichan train and got defensive when I pointed this out, even though I told her I have read all her posts. Also couldn't millers have abilities and survival conditions that could be against town? Tbh I'm not sure about that. And this is role madness/bastard elements so the rules loosely apply here @@ I AM innocent. _Claire_ said: I received a message saying that one of the dead is not scum's victim. Denja was targeted during N1, and died N2. Then there are two kills from this night: dono and wen (who's role was covered up). When you say "not killed by scum", do you mean not by mafia, or not by mafia+tpr? Because I thought one of them was probably killed by a third party. Neither wen nor dono seemed suspicious enough to be targeted by a vigilante, imo. |
shadroxx2810 said: Mission completeYes it was a tie, therefore no one is getting extra |
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Holocaster said: To be honest I now am back to suspecting everyone on that Reichan train. Not like I ever stopped, but since Denja bluffed it's back up on my #1 suspicious pole. Not many left on that train tho and most of them were town which makes us leave claire and suzune. But apparently claire keeps recieving messages that are more beneficial for town. <-- I dont know yet. But I'd consider her townie for now. So yea...perhaps need to backread on Suzune. |
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Holocaster said: To be honest I now am back to suspecting everyone on that Reichan train. Not like I ever stopped, but since Denja bluffed it's back up on my #1 suspicious pole. Also I stick to my previous points about these millers - It's convenient that coro and CP are millers imo. If we read them, they will show up as scum. They now think they're "innocent" just because they claimed. And coro was a driving force on the Reichan train and got defensive when I pointed this out, even though I told her I have read all her posts. Also couldn't millers have abilities and survival conditions that could be against town? Tbh I'm not sure about that. And this is role madness/bastard elements so the rules loosely apply here @@ I agree, and this game is pissing me off so much as my abilities are passive and I can't do anything to improve the games beside finding scums from posts >.> Is that all you want to achieve? -_-..... coromandel said: Currently making a D2 summary. Holocaster said: To be honest I now am back to suspecting everyone on that Reichan train. Not like I ever stopped, but since Denja bluffed it's back up on my #1 suspicious pole. Also I stick to my previous points about these millers - It's convenient that coro and CP are millers imo. If we read them, they will show up as scum. They now think they're "innocent" just because they claimed. And coro was a driving force on the Reichan train and got defensive when I pointed this out, even though I told her I have read all her posts. Also couldn't millers have abilities and survival conditions that could be against town? Tbh I'm not sure about that. And this is role madness/bastard elements so the rules loosely apply here @@ I AM innocent. _Claire_ said: I received a message saying that one of the dead is not scum's victim. Denja was targeted during N1, and died N2. Then there are two kills from this night: dono and wen (who's role was covered up). When you say "not killed by scum", do you mean not by mafia, or not by mafia+tpr? Because I thought one of them was probably killed by a third party. Neither wen nor dono seemed suspicious enough to be targeted by a vigilante, imo. I believe the message is saying one of the dead is not killed by mafia (or scum), but it does not mean 3rd party role. Could also be vigilante. |
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_Claire_ said: coromandel said: Currently making a D2 summary. I AM innocent. Denja was targeted during N1, and died N2. Then there are two kills from this night: dono and wen (who's role was covered up). When you say "not killed by scum", do you mean not by mafia, or not by mafia+tpr? Because I thought one of them was probably killed by a third party. Neither wen nor dono seemed suspicious enough to be targeted by a vigilante, imo. I believe the message is saying one of the dead is not killed by mafia (or scum), but it does not mean 3rd party role. Could also be vigilante. And by one of the dead, you meany ANY dead player, or someone who was killed last night? |
coromandel said: _Claire_ said: I believe the message is saying one of the dead is not killed by mafia (or scum), but it does not mean 3rd party role. Could also be vigilante. And by one of the dead, you meany ANY dead player, or someone who was killed last night? No, it specifically says last night, so I would assume Night 2's. Here I will tell you this: my passive result is random. I cannot control what I receive, and I don't receive it everytime, there is a probability I won't receive anything. The odds is higher that I will get something though. |
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Holocaster said: [And coro was a driving force on the Reichan train and got defensive when I pointed this out, even though I told her I have read all her posts. Um, what do you mean I was a "driving force" on reyinii's train? |
You were the one that from the get-go, was pushing to lynch someone. Even going as far to say you would be happy to lynch people without good reason and perhaps we'd get lucky, which some people were against, including me. I'm pretty sure in this game miller's can have abilities/end goals that are against town (role madness and bastard) and just because you and CP claim miller doesn't mean we should just forget about you two and go after everyone else. |
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Holocaster said: You were the one that from the get-go, was pushing to lynch someone. Even going as far to say you would be happy to lynch people without good reason and perhaps we'd get lucky, which some people were against, including me. Doesn't mean that I was a driving force behind reiynii's train. I just wanted a lynch to happen, and I wasn't the only person to say something like that. Holocaster said: I'm pretty sure in this game miller's can have abilities/end goals that are against town (role madness and bastard) and just because you and CP claim miller doesn't mean we should just forget about you two and go after everyone else. A Miller (sometimes called an Outsider) is a role or role modifier such that the player passively returns an unfavorable result (i.e. Guilty) if investigated by a Cop. For obvious reasons, standard Millers are Town. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Miller |
Day · 1 reiynii (5) | aa-dono, VladWolfsbane, DenjaX, Suzune-chan, _Claire_ Holocaster (3) | wen294, CorruptedPurity,Togs aa-dono (2) | Lamby, Lupadim Lord_Sithis (2) | Tingle, coromandel Tingle (2) | Gwendolly, Karote Coromandel (2) | ZombieWolf2508, LordSithis Gwendolly (1) | | reiynii wen294 (1) | Holocaster SightlessReality (1) | SightlessReality Not Voting: Sodalicious_, TheConquerer, thegoliath Day · 2 Holocaster (4) | CorruptedPurity, aa-dono, coromandel, wen294 Karote (2) | Karote, Holocaster CorruptedPurity (2) | ZombieWolf2508, DenjaX DenjaX (2) | grrr, gwendolly Gwendolly (2) | Claire_, Togs Tingle (1) | SightlessReality No one (1) | lupadim Not Voting: Lamby , Lord_Sithis, TheConquerer, Tingle, thegoliath , Suzune-chan Holocaster was supposingly lynched! As he stand on the battlefield, in grave danger, a goddess came to rescue him, resulting in.... No death occur today Night · 2 Disguise Potion and Veil potion were bought. Disguise Potion x 1 (40 gil): investigated as town. Veil Potion x 1 (50 gil): you will hide a player's role when they die. Players / Roles Interesting posts |
| ^Which is why I keep pointing out that this is Role Madness with bastard elements. Not everything is as expected, and I will not believe claims blindly. Happened in one game, lost, won't happen again lol lupadim said: Am I the only one who thinks it is very unlikely there are two millers? +1 |
Gwendolly said: But what bothers me more is who covered for wen? Or who WOULD actually cover him and WHY. The potion was bought, so Im assuming it was used or was it some kind of ability. But it makes me think he was scum nonetheless. You think wen was scum? What do you think of yesterday's no lynch? |
| Vote lynch: ZombieWolf Because why not. I have a feeling I'm going to be lynched today. Of course they kept me alive to be today's "suspect" so they can fly under the radar. *claps* |
Lord_Sithis said: @coromandel WRONG!! You're trying to twist what I said. I said it would be a good idea, but we shouldn't do that because of the possibility of a fake flip. Town, if you're using coro's posts as reference, be careful with these things. Everyone can click on the link and read the full post, goddammit. It's meant as a collection of links to posts. |
Lord_Sithis said: Oh sh... Well, reading what happened. Why did Denja lie if he was town? That's a really non-town thing to do. Is Denja really dead? Or what happens? lol |
Lord_Sithis said: coromandel said: You're still trusting on claims we don't even know are true. And you're still contradicting yourself because you said Holo is town based on Denja's claim but then changed your mind.Because when CorruptedPurity said that he's an Odd-Night Miller I knew he's telling the truth. Now if you can't figure out what I'm trying to say, then so be it. >.> Just re-read what happened during day 2.. people weren't voting/changing their votes so I didn't have many options: Voting for you or CP, or Holocaster. I could have voted for Gwendolly instead, but people literally started voting for her in the last minute. And I dislike lynching someone without giving them the chance to defend themselves. Holocaster had been voted for the whole day, he could have claimed but decided not to do it in the end. Also, I quickly believed he was innocent based on your claim. But someone (I think aa-dono or Claire) asked me at least twice (?) why I thought he was innocent, they didn't understand how I made the connection between your claim and Holo's innocence. I started questioning my thought from earlier - even if no mafia member was on on his train, Holo could still be mafia himself. Maybe lots of townies voted for reiynii in the end, and they (=mafia) thought "hey, we don't even have to hammer reiynii, let the others appear scummy instead of us"..? So all in all, I wasn't town-reading Holocaster by the end of day 2, and I believed the other people who had votes on them were town. So I saw it as my only option to vote for Holo. Didn't Denja said reiynii's train is town? Didn't you say you trust Denja? Then why did you change your mind and voted Holo if you trust Denja? That's the important part you haven't really answered. Sorry for replying late and missing out some posts, I'm at school and have very little time to check MAL. It's not a contradiction when you change your mind. |
coromandel said: Vote lynch: ZombieWolf Because why not. I have a feeling I'm going to be lynched today. Of course they kept me alive to be today's "suspect" so they can fly under the radar. *claps* Why do you say that even if Holo is the only person who is interrogating you? @shadroxx2810 will Zombie be replaced? Btw I have learnt from experience in the last game Zombie only came out when pressured, but for the moment... Vote: Sightless |
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_Claire_ said: coromandel said: Vote lynch: ZombieWolf Because why not. I have a feeling I'm going to be lynched today. Of course they kept me alive to be today's "suspect" so they can fly under the radar. *claps* Why do you say that even if Holo is the only person who is interrogating you? It's not just him, it all started during night 2 - Lord Sithis, Denja, now Lupadim, etc... Of course they can be town too, but overall everyone who's too lazy to make up their mind about everyone else is eventually going to vote for the "suspicious Millers", I can already see it coming. |
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_Claire_ said: coromandel said: Vote lynch: ZombieWolf Because why not. I have a feeling I'm going to be lynched today. Of course they kept me alive to be today's "suspect" so they can fly under the radar. *claps* Why do you say that even if Holo is the only person who is interrogating you? @shadroxx2810 will Zombie be replaced? Btw I have learnt from experience in the last game Zombie only came out when pressured, but for the moment... Vote: Sightless No. |
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| Vote Lynch: coromandel Reasons: D1 1. Was determined to lynch someone, even though they would most likely be town. 2. Claimed we could get lucky and vote off a scum. D2 1. Said I was maybe innocent, but then voted for me anyway because she believes CP's claim. 2. Also claims she is miller, making two millers in game which is unlikely and a good cover for scum. N2 1. When I pointed out the possibilities of claiming miller, she gets extremely defensive and wonders why no one reads her posts. I said I did and my opinion still stands, still disregards and claims I have done nothing to help town despite my D2 posts. D3 1. Dodges Sithis's questions about her change of heart on my vote in D2 and gets frustrated again when he insists. You can claim all you want, but this is role madness and miller does not automatically make you innocent in these kinds of games. I am also on the same suspicion level with CP as I am with coro, so it may change depending on her. CP has yet to post, so we will see what happens when she gets on. |
_Claire_ said: @shadroxx2810 will Zombie be replaced? And what about Lamby, I wonder? >.> |
ZombieWolf2508 said: @Holocaster Do you have any thoughts on anyone in particular? SEE. You vote him and he comes out. -.- coromandel said: _Claire_ said: @shadroxx2810 will Zombie be replaced? And what about Lamby, I wonder? >.> Yeah.. the inactivity is killing me. Pfft... Holocaster said: Vote Lynch: coromandel Reasons: D1 1. Was determined to lynch someone, even though they would most likely be town. 2. Claimed we could get lucky and vote off a scum. D2 1. Said I was maybe innocent, but then voted for me anyway because she believes CP's claim. 2. Also claims she is miller, making two millers in game which is unlikely and a good cover for scum. N2 1. When I pointed out the possibilities of claiming miller, she gets extremely defensive and wonders why no one reads her posts. I said I did and my opinion still stands, still disregards and claims I have done nothing to help town despite my D2 posts. D3 1. Dodges Sithis's questions about her change of heart on my vote in D2 and gets frustrated again when he insists. You can claim all you want, but this is role madness and miller does not automatically make you innocent in these kinds of games. I am also on the same suspicion level with CP as I am with coro, so it may change depending on her. CP has yet to post, so we will see what happens when she gets on. Says someone who suspiciously avoid Day 2 lynch. :) Also, I was also determined to lynch. It is Day 1, and for me lynching is a must. I dont see why you use that against coro, many others agree. Also, with Sithis, I think what he does all game is just criticizing others, but no effort to actually scum-hunt. Heh. |
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Holocaster said: 1. Was determined to lynch someone, even though they would most likely be town. 2. Claimed we could get lucky and vote off a scum. 1) That's speculation. What do you mean by "they would most likely be town"? And if you mean the chances of hitting scum vs. town, then this goes for EVERYONE who has placed a vote on someone... Holocaster said: 1. Said I was maybe innocent, but then voted for me anyway because she believes CP's claim. 2. Also claims she is miller, making two millers in game which is unlikely and a good cover for scum. 1) I knew Denja and Cp were town, and you didn't claim. Denja has now flipped and I was right about him. Holocaster said: 1. When I pointed out the possibilities of claiming miller, she gets extremely defensive ... Holocaster said: Dodges Sithis's questions about her change of heart on my vote in D2 and gets frustrated again when he insists. I didn't dodge any question, I've explained it in detail. But Sithis ignored my reply or just didn't bother reading my post properly. |
_Claire_ said: Also, I was also determined to lynch. It is Day 1, and for me lynching is a must. I dont see why you use that against coro, many others agree. Also, with Sithis, I think what he does all game is just criticizing others, but no effort to actually scum-hunt. Heh. I am suspicious because I am against voting D1 because of how likely we are to lynch townies, which is exactly what happened. |
Holocaster said: _Claire_ said: Also, I was also determined to lynch. It is Day 1, and for me lynching is a must. I dont see why you use that against coro, many others agree. Also, with Sithis, I think what he does all game is just criticizing others, but no effort to actually scum-hunt. Heh. I am suspicious because I am against voting D1 because of how likely we are to lynch townies, which is exactly what happened. I wonder if you realise, by not having a lynch on Day 1, you're giving an upper hand to mafia. Your mindset is really anti-town. |
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coromandel said: Gwendolly said: But what bothers me more is who covered for wen? Or who WOULD actually cover him and WHY. The potion was bought, so Im assuming it was used or was it some kind of ability. But it makes me think he was scum nonetheless. You think wen was scum? What do you think of yesterday's no lynch? Yea, wen had some kind of important role that cant be displayed yet? Dont ask me which one, I'm not that familiar with roles yet :P And that potion can only be used on someone else as far as I know, so it wouldnt make much sense for a townie to use it. As for Holo not being lynched. I'm not sure what happened. But since I assume wen was scum I think there's another scum on that train, with aa-dono being town. So it looks like manipulation in my eyes and maybe holo had just that ability to get help from a goddess, maybe she's Yuna :P |
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ZombieWolf2508 said: @Holocaster Do you have any thoughts on anyone in particular? I doubt you even try to scumhunt, lmao. Any thoughts yourself? |
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_Claire_ said: ZombieWolf2508 said: @Holocaster Do you have any thoughts on anyone in particular? SEE. You vote him and he comes out. -.- It has nothing to do with that, stop looking for patterns where they don't exist. |
Karote said: Holocaster said: I am suspicious because I am against voting D1 because of how likely we are to lynch townies, which is exactly what happened. I wonder if you realise, by not having a lynch on Day 1, you're giving an upper hand to mafia. Your mindset is really anti-town. +1 |
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Karote said: ZombieWolf2508 said: @Holocaster Do you have any thoughts on anyone in particular? I doubt you even try to scumhunt, lmao. Any thoughts yourself? I have my suspicions, yes. And forgive me if my version of scum hunting doesn't involve blind lynching and believing claims. |
coromandel said: 1) That's speculation. What do you mean by "they would most likely be town"? And if you mean the chances of hitting scum vs. town, then this goes for EVERYONE who has placed a vote on someone... "They would most likely be town" Because typically town outnumbers mafia. And Denja, though town, for some reason lied about his abilities which makes me speculate there may be something going on here like with Favorites, when you showed up innocent when that wasn't the case. coromandel said: 1) I knew Denja and Cp were town, and you didn't claim. Denja has now flipped and I was right about him. Why are you so determined that CP is town? What if she has abilities and end goal that could be anti-town? Do you not believe that it couldn't be possible just because she claims miller that just so happens to align with your miller role? Are you two able to talk outside game? |
| Vote: coromandel I don't think there are two millers so I'll just lynch one and find out |
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ZombieWolf2508 said: It has nothing to do with that, stop looking for patterns where they don't exist. Last time I let you go because of lack of post and no evidence, but I am not letting you go this game. |
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lupadim said: Vote: coromandel I don't think there are two millers so I'll just lynch one and find out Wow. Wow. WHAT? Is that how things are going to work here? |
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Karote said: I wonder if you realise, by not having a lynch on Day 1, you're giving an upper hand to mafia. Your mindset is really anti-town. But if a town is lynched, it's an even stronger hand towards mafia. We lynched a townie without any kind of good reason besides that we would maybe lynch a scum, which ends up giving them more of an upper hand than if we didn't lynch anyone. Do you realize this? |
ZombieWolf2508 said: I have my suspicions, yes. And forgive me if my version of scum hunting doesn't involve blind lynching and believing claims. Scumhunting doesn't equal blind lynching and believing claims. Neither asking shallow questions is. |
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Holocaster said: Why are you so determined that CP is town? What if she has abilities and end goal that could be anti-town? Do you not believe that it couldn't be possible just because she claims miller that just so happens to align with your miller role? Are you two able to talk outside game? Because a Miller is by definition town. And I trust his claim because he has the exact same ability, just on odd nights. lupadim said: Vote: coromandel I don't think there are two millers so I'll just lynch one and find out Who else do you suspect? Is this all you can come up with after more than 800 posts? Because so far, you haven't shared your thoughts with us. |
Gwendolly said: Yea, wen had some kind of important role that cant be displayed yet? Dont ask me which one, I'm not that familiar with roles yet :P And that potion can only be used on someone else as far as I know, so it wouldnt make much sense for a townie to use it. As for Holo not being lynched. I'm not sure what happened. But since I assume wen was scum I think there's another scum on that train, with aa-dono being town. So it looks like manipulation in my eyes and maybe holo had just that ability to get help from a goddess, maybe she's Yuna :P And who do you suspect the most right now? |
Holocaster said: Karote said: I wonder if you realise, by not having a lynch on Day 1, you're giving an upper hand to mafia. Your mindset is really anti-town. But if a town is lynched, it's an even stronger hand towards mafia. We lynched a townie without any kind of good reason besides that we would maybe lynch a scum, which ends up giving them more of an upper hand than if we didn't lynch anyone. Do you realize this? So what you want us to do? Sit tight and let the scums kill all of us? Hah! Guys. Coro is town, I am not sure what you guys are getting at. |
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_Claire_ said: So what you want us to do? Sit tight and let the scums kill all of us? Hah! Guys. Coro is town, I am not sure what you guys are getting at. No?? Do you even read my posts? I am against D1 lynching, not 'no lynching ever'. And how are you completely sure that coro is town? Did you investigate him? And why are you so inclined to believe claims, especially after Favorites and the fact that this is role madness/bastard? |
I already forgot about KOta! xD sorry kota.. >.> While we're at it: @theConquerer Do you suspect anyone? |
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