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Dec 21, 2016 3:50 PM
#1301
Don't expect that reasoning post on Denja immediately though. Gonna take some time and I might take a break part way through. |
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Dec 21, 2016 3:51 PM
#1302
LucianRoy said: Why are you irked for both instances?The way you were sheeping people D1 irked the hell out of me, and then there was the entire "I'm going to solve this game through mechanics and exploits instead of practical means" thing which also irked the hell out of me. The way you tried to "test" people was weird af too. You also brushed my question in 1268 by giving me a joke response. Nr what I was looking for. You find it weird because you have no idea what I was doing. Do you criticize on something you don't know about? |
Dec 21, 2016 3:56 PM
#1303
PentaFlare said: Why do you speak as if I am not capable of responding to you? You can interact with me directly and not just make a show and tell as if I am not significant. xDDDon't expect that reasoning post on Denja immediately though. Gonna take some time and I might take a break part way through. Same goes to everybody else that's not logic. Makes me feel good about myself when I think that scum are avoiding me to prevent slipping. xDD |
Dec 21, 2016 4:02 PM
#1304
i wasn't going to go after karote , especially after what happened on D1 , where town didn't lynch anyone , but then our names reappeared again as a potential scum , and again no one of us was lynched. if you want me to go after him , then here i go : D2 didn't cast a vote and lack of activity (i did too) N2 , still didn't appear little scum hunt , and more vague posts (apparently i do that too) Gruffin suspected both of us , and ended up being the NK (even though she ended up posting that i am the scum) am i a scum ? No why am i doing this ? to make the town move on from KOta/Karote thingy , and i'll see it through for me this is what i see the town stuck on , since D1 , and if we're on N3 and its not solved it is going to be a problem logic340 said: Can you explain in more detail how night actions got someone killed from your POV? N1 , kit got killed after being active at night , he was pointed as the most active N2 , Gruffin got killed after being active at night , she was pointed as the most active this is what i saw , they act like they're still on day phase , instead of playing it safe logic340 said: Also since you think we should use the time to analyze is it safe to assume that is what you have used the time doing? No , bc if you saw on N1 i was going to give my reads , but D2 i didn't appear until 3-4 h before phase change , and it took me 3h to type my replay and by the time i got back on , Gruffin was lynched , no search was in act |
Dec 21, 2016 4:12 PM
#1305
DenjaX said: LucianRoy said: Why are you irked for both instances?The way you were sheeping people D1 irked the hell out of me, and then there was the entire "I'm going to solve this game through mechanics and exploits instead of practical means" thing which also irked the hell out of me. The way you tried to "test" people was weird af too. You also brushed my question in 1268 by giving me a joke response. Nr what I was looking for. For ex: in 135 you blantantly sheep Gruff's vote on Karote for apparently no reason, then there's just silence on your part with nothing expounding on why anyone should lynch Karot. Extremely low-effort push without the actual "push" part makes me think of scum just looking for easy outs. Wasn't until Kit brought it up did you explain. Something something "Karote doesn't know what the town truly does"??? Lump me in there too. This entire "I have a plan but I'm not going to tell any of you what it is" thing is getting really old too. I'm not liking the increasing lack of transparency in your actions, and it's still continuing to rub me the wrong way. Maybe because I don't understand any of it? I dunno, you tell me man. You find it weird because you have no idea what I was doing. Do you criticize on something you don't know about? Yeah. I just did. |
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Dec 21, 2016 4:18 PM
#1306
LucianRoy said: Maybe you should step up your game and try to decipher it. Other people got it, why can't you? Don't wait for me to spoonfeed things for you. People who read me town knew what I was up to. I believe in you xDDYeah. I just did. |
Dec 21, 2016 4:20 PM
#1307
LucianRoy said: Togs was loverized with Fo and was universally town read for bussing his partner D1. When it came down to it he whipped up a storm against Fo trying to reverse my thinking. Just thinking about this question right now I would have to say this is his town CCL game (-shad- and DenjaX were host). logic340 said: Togs said: Sorry about that I’m here. I seem to be the consensus scumread for some reason, sorry to disappoint though but I’m not getting lynched toDay. [2] Togs ✖ Chione, Phraze, Rinto-kun (Shad) My Yatagarasu senses are telling me there’s scum somewhere on here. Will keep it in mind for poe purposes.-shad- said: Didn’t I literally not post in that game though and replaced outGruffin said: -shad- said: What do you find interesting about Togs' read list? Is he townie or scummy to you?Togs - Quiet, but interesting read list. I want to know more of him as i know he can vanished as he is quite busy. KOtA said: Speaking of promises, I'm still waiting on this. How later on are we going to get this reads list from you?i'll give you a read list later on Aplogized didnt get to quite read this. I was leaning towards him as town, but right now im leaning on him as scum because it just reminds me of a playstyle he once did as scum!togs where he will post something really townie in the first day and then get inactive in the next - also quite the same as pirates!togs. With this im voting until togs comes back and tell me whatsup Vadim Togs or until the last hour of phase change logic340 said: Why’s your vote on a neutral read and not on a scum read ?Town: DenjaX, Logic340, Chione, Kit Possible town: Gruffin, Rinto-kun Complete unknown: Sodalicious_, LucianRoy, callmeLuna Neutral: Phraze, PentaFlare, Ruu I don't know if I'm neutral on then or scum: Karote, KOta Scum lean: Togs, -shad- Questions: #820 #863 #879 Hey, how do you read Tog's confidence at end of D2 in places like 946 and 1056? Do you think Scum Togs would be abrupt in tryna take the game by storm, or more passive under pressure? #946 - He sure did come in with some confidence he said he wasn't getting lynched and it happened. Looking at the game state when he came in I can't say that he was a huge part in that as many were already moving to Phraze and -shad- around the time this post happened. From here Togs and -shad- are going back and forth about Togs meta. I really like #973 he is not panicked and #985 sounds very reasonable. Everything else is really clean I have to agree with PentaFlare in #1071 this defense I would classify as town (limited experience). The mafia I have seen up for lynch have never been this cool under pressure. |
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Dec 21, 2016 4:25 PM
#1308
LucianRoy said: I think if you follow mine and Gruffin's interactions with DenjaX you will see a common thread. I have a good vibe about you, I see you working things out. Look past what has been said and think about why it was said.DenjaX said: LucianRoy said: The way you were sheeping people D1 irked the hell out of me, and then there was the entire "I'm going to solve this game through mechanics and exploits instead of practical means" thing which also irked the hell out of me. The way you tried to "test" people was weird af too. You also brushed my question in 1268 by giving me a joke response. Nr what I was looking for. For ex: in 135 you blantantly sheep Gruff's vote on Karote for apparently no reason, then there's just silence on your part with nothing expounding on why anyone should lynch Karot. Extremely low-effort push without the actual "push" part makes me think of scum just looking for easy outs. Wasn't until Kit brought it up did you explain. Something something "Karote doesn't know what the town truly does"??? Lump me in there too. This entire "I have a plan but I'm not going to tell any of you what it is" thing is getting really old too. I'm not liking the increasing lack of transparency in your actions, and it's still continuing to rub me the wrong way. Maybe because I don't understand any of it? I dunno, you tell me man. You find it weird because you have no idea what I was doing. Do you criticize on something you don't know about? Yeah. I just did. |
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Dec 21, 2016 4:35 PM
#1309
Dec 21, 2016 4:43 PM
#1310
KOtA said: Everyone's name comes up as scum we don't know who we can trust. Gruffin, Denja, Kit, and I were able to build trust in one another by interacting and picking up on subtle clues left for fellow comrades. Why do you have to go after Karote now that "others" are bringing you two up again? What makes you two a pair?i wasn't going to go after karote , especially after what happened on D1 , where town didn't lynch anyone , but then our names reappeared again as a potential scum , and again no one of us was lynched. KOtA said: We can't truly know the reason the Gruffin and Kit were killed. We can speculate the consensus is active town read player (pretty clear). I highly doubt their night actions are what got them killed as we have a good pool of players for them to choose from. We need to get together before we lose more and we are actively asking you to be a participant in that. Rinto-kun is vague to but he isn't self defeating that is what has brought most of this attention to you (at least from me)if you want me to go after him , then here i go : D2 didn't cast a vote and lack of activity (i did too) N2 , still didn't appear little scum hunt , and more vague posts (apparently i do that too) Gruffin suspected both of us , and ended up being the NK (even though she ended up posting that i am the scum) KOtA said: You are not scum but are you my comrade? How are you trying to help town get past KOta/Karote? For that matter what is KOta/Karote and how is town stuck on it. Are you both town? if so how do you know that?am i a scum ? No why am i doing this ? to make the town move on from KOta/Karote thingy , and i'll see it through for me this is what i see the town stuck on , since D1 , and if we're on N3 and its not solved it is going to be a problem KOtA said: I explained this abovelogic340 said: Can you explain in more detail how night actions got someone killed from your POV? N1 , kit got killed after being active at night , he was pointed as the most active N2 , Gruffin got killed after being active at night , she was pointed as the most active this is what i saw , they act like they're still on day phase , instead of playing it safe KOtA said: So, life kept you from being able to analyze?logic340 said: Also since you think we should use the time to analyze is it safe to assume that is what you have used the time doing? No , bc if you saw on N1 i was going to give my reads , but D2 i didn't appear until 3-4 h before phase change , and it took me 3h to type my replay and by the time i got back on , Gruffin was lynched , no search was in act |
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Dec 21, 2016 4:47 PM
#1311
DenjaX said: PentaFlare said: Why do you speak as if I am not capable of responding to you? You can interact with me directly and not just make a show and tell as if I am not significant. xDDDon't expect that reasoning post on Denja immediately though. Gonna take some time and I might take a break part way through. Same goes to everybody else that's not logic. Makes me feel good about myself when I think that scum are avoiding me to prevent slipping. xDD I'm not avoiding you. I'll have some things I want to ask you about, but I need to have a chance to gather my thoughts. I am not feeling well though and I'm on very little sleep. Please forgive me if I'm a little scattered for the next two days. My winter break starts Saturday and then I'll have lots of time and a reasonable amount of sleep to work with. For the moment though, I want to know who you would consider cleared if you were taking a PoE approach. |
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Dec 21, 2016 4:51 PM
#1312
DenjaX said: Why do you scum read me? You need to substantiate your accusations yknow. xDD We aren't gradeschoolers where we just point fingers. Or are we? i'd call it gradeschool finger pointing if i voted on you and sat there saying no you're a scum ,bc you're a scum . i just gave my reads , i didn't follow anyone and started attacking |
Dec 21, 2016 5:06 PM
#1313
DenjaX said: I want him to be more proactive in shifting our focus if that is what he is really trying to do. I would expect that to come in the form of reads or engaging in conversation with other players. I am not truly sold on him being Mafia as this lynch feels some what easy but something came to mind as I was thinking about your question. His play so far resembles Rinto-kun's yet I view these players differently. Part of that is I have played with Rinto-kun before and the other part is the way they respond to people's posts. I get a self defeated vibe (not indicative could be frustration) from KOta where when Karote gave said F it (it actually felt like frustration). I don't get that sense of frustration but that could just be his personality. He isn't pointing something out that we aren't listening too and he's only really spoken up when the votes were on him. It looks scummy but is it?@logic340 what do you think about Kota? Also why do think people only mention me here and there and not strike a conversation with me directly? I feel like they are avoiding me for a reason. |
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Dec 21, 2016 5:08 PM
#1314
logic340 said: KOtA said: Everyone's name comes up as scum we don't know who we can trust. Gruffin, Denja, Kit, and I were able to build trust in one another by interacting and picking up on subtle clues left for fellow comrades. Why do you have to go after Karote now that "others" are bringing you two up again? What makes you two a pair?i wasn't going to go after karote , especially after what happened on D1 , where town didn't lynch anyone , but then our names reappeared again as a potential scum , and again no one of us was lynched. while i was reading back , when someone showed up as a scum to someone they'd be mentioned alone , but when it comes to both of us we're the only ones mentioned as pair logic340 said: KOtA said: We can't truly know the reason the Gruffin and Kit were killed. We can speculate the consensus is active town read player (pretty clear). I highly doubt their night actions are what got them killed as we have a good pool of players for them to choose from. We need to get together before we lose more and we are actively asking you to be a participant in that. Rinto-kun is vague to but he isn't self defeating that is what has brought most of this attention to you (at least from me)if you want me to go after him , then here i go : D2 didn't cast a vote and lack of activity (i did too) N2 , still didn't appear little scum hunt , and more vague posts (apparently i do that too) Gruffin suspected both of us , and ended up being the NK (even though she ended up posting that i am the scum) logic340 said: KOtA said: I explained this abovelogic340 said: Can you explain in more detail how night actions got someone killed from your POV? N1 , kit got killed after being active at night , he was pointed as the most active N2 , Gruffin got killed after being active at night , she was pointed as the most active this is what i saw , they act like they're still on day phase , instead of playing it safe i'm going to keep my believe that their night actions was what they got them killed , even if there's many to choose from , misusing night phase might have put them in the spot light logic340 said: KOtA said: You are not scum but are you my comrade? How are you trying to help town get past KOta/Karote? For that matter what is KOta/Karote and how is town stuck on it. Are you both town? if so how do you know that?am i a scum ? No why am i doing this ? to make the town move on from KOta/Karote thingy , and i'll see it through for me this is what i see the town stuck on , since D1 , and if we're on N3 and its not solved it is going to be a problem i'm your comrade if you're working for the good of the townies by making sure that the town know's who's a scum and whos not from , if we're both townies then i have to prove to all other townie that we both are kota/karote is D1 paradox , that didn get solved bc of an error in the vote count , which is carried on until now i dont know if we're both town , i'm sure that i am 100% town |
Dec 21, 2016 5:14 PM
#1315
DenjaX said: Forgot to answer this part. I don't know I cannot speak for them but when I first played with grrr and fo I stayed away from them because I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know how to approach them. They said the most crazy things and I couldn't wrap my head around it so I called it scum. Now it was thanks to playing with them that I can look at thing you say from a different perspective and decipher your cryptic play this game. It took me a minute at first but for some reason I find it easier to see why you are doing something than others. This maybe due to the fact that I like to think strategically as well but who know. I think people class you as anti-town because they see this as similar to your scum game in NnT but Kit and Gruffin were also able to pick up on it quickly his time around. @logic340 Also why do think people only mention me here and there and not strike a conversation with me directly? I feel like they are avoiding me for a reason. What surprises me is that with as direct as we have been about certain things people seem to still be wavering. |
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Dec 21, 2016 5:28 PM
#1316
PentaFlare said: Sure. I am not really scared of getting isolated from my potential allies because they are all being killed each night. Town: logic, shad, Rinto-kun and probably Chione.For the moment though, I want to know who you would consider cleared if you were taking a PoE approach. Mafia can kill them for all I care. xDD The longer the mafia keeps me alive, the longer they make themselves in danger. They keep killing my allies who see me as town (except for Kit but I'm sure it was just a matter of time xDD). I think they are going for the long con where they will make me powerless when all my allies are gone. I do want to be killed though so that people will be 100% sure about my alignment xDD My overall gameplay has been erratic as I cannot even predict what I was doing. KOtA said: Enlighten me. I've yet to see your reads against me. Or I am probably blind and failed to find it. I don't think you ever developed your reads against me. You just downright accused me of being scum. xDDi'd call it gradeschool finger pointing if i voted on you and sat there saying no you're a scum ,bc you're a scum . i just gave my reads , i didn't follow anyone and started attacking |
Dec 21, 2016 5:30 PM
#1317
KOtA said: Not true. Gruffin mentioned you alone and I did Karote alone. You may have been mentioned together but that doesn't make you a thing. You are both Person of Interest due to disappearing after avoiding lynch. Did you think because you avoided the lynch D1 you were both cleared of suspicion? Rather than focus on you two all day we looked elsewhere. We looked so hard that when the panic set in no one thought about the two previous day lynch suspects we continued on with our pressure votes. That is some under the radar shit right there. logic340 said: KOtA said: i wasn't going to go after karote , especially after what happened on D1 , where town didn't lynch anyone , but then our names reappeared again as a potential scum , and again no one of us was lynched. while i was reading back , when someone showed up as a scum to someone they'd be mentioned alone , but when it comes to both of us we're the only ones mentioned as pair logic340 said: KOtA said: if you want me to go after him , then here i go : D2 didn't cast a vote and lack of activity (i did too) N2 , still didn't appear little scum hunt , and more vague posts (apparently i do that too) Gruffin suspected both of us , and ended up being the NK (even though she ended up posting that i am the scum) logic340 said: KOtA said: logic340 said: Can you explain in more detail how night actions got someone killed from your POV? N1 , kit got killed after being active at night , he was pointed as the most active N2 , Gruffin got killed after being active at night , she was pointed as the most active this is what i saw , they act like they're still on day phase , instead of playing it safe i'm going to keep my believe that their night actions was what they got them killed , even if there's many to choose from , misusing night phase might have put them in the spot light logic340 said: KOtA said: am i a scum ? No why am i doing this ? to make the town move on from KOta/Karote thingy , and i'll see it through for me this is what i see the town stuck on , since D1 , and if we're on N3 and its not solved it is going to be a problem i'm your comrade if you're working for the good of the townies by making sure that the town know's who's a scum and whos not from , if we're both townies then i have to prove to all other townie that we both are kota/karote is D1 paradox , that didn get solved bc of an error in the vote count , which is carried on until now i dont know if we're both town , i'm sure that i am 100% town Rather than agree to disagree lets just say it was a combination of being pretty much universally town read, being among the most active players, and being active during the night phase. So with all that being said, what information does them being killed due to Night Phase activity yield? Did they get too close to the actual scum so they needed to go? Were they being killed to use as frame jobs? Did their night actions make them more town than their day actions? I am trying to understand your argument throw me a bone here. "I'm your comrade if you're working for the good of the town" - Would you say I am working for the good of the town? If you are town you can prove it to one person and they will risk their life for you comrade. There were 4 of us on the frontline Kit, Gruffin, DenjaX, and logic340 (look at the interactions). Two are gone one and one of the remaining two is the most likely NK at this point in time (based on the current trend). I think you are making more of it than it really needs to be calling it a D1 paradox, had you or karaote been here maybe things would be different IJS. You're 100% town then your actions will reflect it thrown that vote around see what people think and say, then when the time is right put a real case together that can help us out. Everyone heaped on you do you see a lot of reason behind it? If not ask them I am sure other will at some point because it will eventually help someone form an opinion. I can say as town though I was reserved at first I didn't care about how people saw me I would see them as scum for even thinking I was scum (some of that may still linger). We need to get more people into the clear. -shad- is really close with me, I think he stumbled upon a clue which lead to us moving to phrase. So now I need other to pick up on it so we can begin clearing town. |
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Dec 21, 2016 5:44 PM
#1318
logic340 said: I notice I got off track and didn't finish saying how this felt similar to Ringo and why I feel differently about them. DenjaX said: I want him to be more proactive in shifting our focus if that is what he is really trying to do. I would expect that to come in the form of reads or engaging in conversation with other players. I am not truly sold on him being Mafia as this lynch feels some what easy but something came to mind as I was thinking about your question. His play so far resembles Rinto-kun's yet I view these players differently. Part of that is I have played with Rinto-kun before and the other part is the way they respond to people's posts. I get a self defeated vibe (not indicative could be frustration) from KOta where when Karote gave said F it (it actually felt like frustration). I don't get that sense of frustration but that could just be his personality. He isn't pointing something out that we aren't listening too and he's only really spoken up when the votes were on him. It looks scummy but is it?@logic340 what do you think about Kota? Also why do think people only mention me here and there and not strike a conversation with me directly? I feel like they are avoiding me for a reason. So basically I feel they both have that sit back and watch what happens type of approach. That is cool and all but it sucks in this setup. The difference comes when people suspect them. Rinto doesn't care he seems to be focused on the task at hand, though he hasn't faced any real pressure yet either. While KOta seems to get frazzled he doesn't seem to know what to say. The other thing is KOta only seems to come around when he's be under suspicion while Rinto comes in says what he has to say and goes about his business. Rinto seems to be focused on what he is doing while KOta seems to only care when his life is in jeopardy. |
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Dec 21, 2016 5:50 PM
#1319
KOtA said: I actually find it very shallow of you to say that the reason they got nightkilled because they spoke during the night. It does not matter whatever the circumstances the mafia killed them because they are active. People who were night killed know that being active during the night is asking for a death wish but there was no point in hiding since nobody else were active enough. Regardless of what they were doing, they will still get night killed. I, for one, is aware of all this but this never stops me from doing things and still try to get things done. We are already too deep in this shit to go back now so might as well go all in. xDDlogic340 said: He gave a very shallow read list, and hasn't had much to add during N2 (two posts I think). KOtA said: you guys are using night phase in a wrong way , it shouldn't be about adding more pressure , it should be a time where you analyse and prepare yourselvs for the next day , as i saw from night 1 , your (and his) night actions what got him killed * |
Dec 21, 2016 5:57 PM
#1320
DenjaX said: KOtA said: I actually find it very shallow of you to say that the reason they got nightkilled because they spoke during the night. It does not matter whatever the circumstances the mafia killed them because they are active. People who were night killed know that being active during the night is asking for a death wish but there was no point in hiding since nobody else were active enough. Regardless of what they were doing, they will still get night killed. I, for one, is aware of all this but this never stops me from doing things and still try to get things done. We are already too deep in this shit to go back now so might as well go all in. xDDlogic340 said: He gave a very shallow read list, and hasn't had much to add during N2 (two posts I think). KOtA said: you guys are using night phase in a wrong way , it shouldn't be about adding more pressure , it should be a time where you analyse and prepare yourselvs for the next day , as i saw from night 1 , your (and his) night actions what got him killed * i didn't say anything about hiding during night phase , i said the way they talked in the night phase |
Dec 21, 2016 6:04 PM
#1321
logic340 said: Good thing you were not there in my previous games where I made all the shenanigans. You would definitely need more cloth to wrap your heads with it. xDD This game has no roles so I could not spice things up. logic340 said: I notice I got off track and didn't finish saying how this felt similar to Ringo and why I feel differently about them. I want him to be more proactive in shifting our focus if that is what he is really trying to do. I would expect that to come in the form of reads or engaging in conversation with other players. I am not truly sold on him being Mafia as this lynch feels some what easy but something came to mind as I was thinking about your question. His play so far resembles Rinto-kun's yet I view these players differently. Part of that is I have played with Rinto-kun before and the other part is the way they respond to people's posts. I get a self defeated vibe (not indicative could be frustration) from KOta where when Karote gave said F it (it actually felt like frustration). I don't get that sense of frustration but that could just be his personality. He isn't pointing something out that we aren't listening too and he's only really spoken up when the votes were on him. It looks scummy but is it? So basically I feel they both have that sit back and watch what happens type of approach. That is cool and all but it sucks in this setup. The difference comes when people suspect them. Rinto doesn't care he seems to be focused on the task at hand, though he hasn't faced any real pressure yet either. While KOta seems to get frazzled he doesn't seem to know what to say. The other thing is KOta only seems to come around when he's be under suspicion while Rinto comes in says what he has to say and goes about his business. Rinto seems to be focused on what he is doing while KOta seems to only care when his life is in jeopardy. Anyway, I guess I did not do well enough. Usually, I bait scum for reactions but this time, I did not get enough reactions mostly due to inactivity. That's why I went with baiting town instead. Sure, it cost me them getting very cautious about me and whatnot but it worked so far. xDD We were able to yield potential allies despite all the inactivity of players. With that said, I started noticing about the people not reacting to what I have done in game so far. Perhaps, I should look at this closer because I am not familiar with this kind of scenario. But yeah, what Kota did this time is alarming. When he was in spotlight for Day 1, he starts being active. Day 2, he was under the radar so he never bothered posting at all. Day 3, it is Day 1 all over again. Maybe we should just end his misery and lynch him so he can do his real life stuff since that was his reason after all. xDD |
Dec 21, 2016 6:07 PM
#1322
KOtA said: So you are aware what's going on during the night phase. What did you find?i didn't say anything about hiding during night phase , i said the way they talked in the night phase |
Dec 21, 2016 6:13 PM
#1323
logic340 said: Did you think because you avoided the lynch D1 you were both cleared of suspicion? no i didn't , i we're both still suspects , but from what i saw it a problem that exist yet you choose to delay solving it logic340 said: what information does them being killed due to Night Phase activity yield? Did they get too close to the actual scum so they needed to go? Were they being killed to use as frame jobs? Did their night actions make them more town than their day actions? i think the answer to their death is in their night activity and their interactions with others they might've gotten close , or were used for framing , but most likely they were killed to be shut no , like i said the night action might have brought them to the spotlight , like it made the scum consider them even more my play style as a starter , i'd like to say over reading but that's also going to be under my play style maybe bc of what Gruffin said |
Dec 21, 2016 6:15 PM
#1324
DenjaX said: KOtA said: So you are aware what's going on during the night phase. What did you find?i didn't say anything about hiding during night phase , i said the way they talked in the night phase i dont understand what you're asking for :/ like if there's a pattern in the NK ? |
Dec 21, 2016 6:27 PM
#1325
You seemed to be knowledgeable about why they got night killed so I am asking you xDD |
Dec 21, 2016 6:28 PM
#1326
KOtA said: See this is where our opinion differs. Where you say we chose to delay solving a problem, I see it as you avoided helping to solve the problem. Same can be said for the majority of the players due to inactivity. There are more ways to solve thing than by lynching as I have stated.logic340 said: Did you think because you avoided the lynch D1 you were both cleared of suspicion? no i didn't , i we're both still suspects , but from what i saw it a problem that exist yet you choose to delay solving it KOtA said: You said you do analysis right? So what did you learn from Kit being killed when you look back at his interactions. Those are all good reasons that are most likely true but that same case applies to Denja and I both. It seems that we are more worried about town wining this game than surviving a NK the way you put it. Like I said 2/4 are gone we have 11 so 2/9 we need to clear more players solve the game and protect the motherland. There is not more need to discuss the NK lets focus on the rest of the living players. logic340 said: what information does them being killed due to Night Phase activity yield? Did they get too close to the actual scum so they needed to go? Were they being killed to use as frame jobs? Did their night actions make them more town than their day actions? i think the answer to their death is in their night activity and their interactions with others they might've gotten close , or were used for framing , but most likely they were killed to bea shut no , like i said the night action might have brought them to the spotlight , like it made the scum consider them even more KOtA said: Maybe you should question your voters and find out why they are voting for you. Talk among your comrades.my play style as a starter , i'd like to say over reading but that's also going to be under my play style maybe bc of what Gruffin said |
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Dec 21, 2016 6:29 PM
#1327
KOtA said: He's asking the same thing I did and just responded to again in #1326.DenjaX said: KOtA said: i didn't say anything about hiding during night phase , i said the way they talked in the night phase i dont understand what you're asking for :/ like if there's a pattern in the NK ? |
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Dec 21, 2016 6:46 PM
#1328
We need to build trust among us comrades. Who believes that I am town and can trust me? |
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Dec 21, 2016 6:55 PM
#1329
DenjaX said: You seemed to be knowledgeable about why they got night killed so I am asking you xDD i'm not acknowledged , i just said what i saw logic340 said: There is not more need to discuss the NK lets focus on the rest of the living players. i'm not going to discuss the NK , i just have a theory over it and that's it , and i'm focusing at the problem it i see at hand yeah i kind of have a theory , but i dont want to say anything i feel going to make us delay ending the name pair problem , and at this point i see that its mostly in Karote hand's (you might want to refer to post #1304, in regard of the theory) logic340 said: KOtA said: See this is where our opinion differs. Where you say we chose to delay solving a problem, I see it as you avoided helping to solve the problem. Same can be said for the majority of the players due to inactivity. There are more ways to solve thing than by lynching as I have stated.logic340 said: Did you think because you avoided the lynch D1 you were both cleared of suspicion? no i didn't , i we're both still suspects , but from what i saw it a problem that exist yet you choose to delay solving it yeah , i'm also not found of lynching , but if its going to be a problem and Karote not going to take part in solving it , then lynch is the current answer logic340 said: Maybe you should question your voters and find out why they are voting for you. Talk among your comrades. i think i dont have , so far i have chione and roy voting against me , and both stated why . btw , i'm not looking into making both of us clear until the end of the game , i'm trying to make sure that when any of us is mentioned as a scum , what happened on day 1 doesn't have any effect on it |
Dec 21, 2016 7:01 PM
#1330
KOtA said: Tell me. What is the problem at hand that you are focusing on?i'm not going to discuss the NK , i just have a theory over it and that's it , and i'm focusing at the problem it i see at hand yeah i kind of have a theory , but i dont want to say anything i feel going to make us delay ending the name pair problem , and at this point i see that its mostly in Karote hand's (you might want to refer to post #1304, in regard of the theory) Also, if nobody picked on you this day phase, would you be not posting again this phase? It seemed to be the case in Day 2. |
Dec 21, 2016 7:02 PM
#1331
bc i also been there , if Karote didnt appear this phase he's going to be mode killed , there for on 2 part of this phase i might change my target , but know that as soon as Karote appear i'm going back at it |
Dec 21, 2016 7:03 PM
#1332
KOtA said: Your vote is a tool that I would like to see you use to your advantage. There should be at least 3 scun. If you believe that Karote is one of them then who are the others? I am certainly a fan of lynching as it is the only way to kill scum, verify anything, and keep the game moving forward. The only thing NK confirms is who was town. But for some reason even what can be grasped from that seems to be being missed. Do you still feel DenjaX is scum? Can you see any town motive behind what he has done this game? How about Togs he was the talked about just before D1 phase change and was the leader heading into D2. Do you think he is scum that is avoiding a lynch or town that was close to being mislynched twice. I don't need anything concrete but from your perspective how does it look?DenjaX said: You seemed to be knowledgeable about why they got night killed so I am asking you xDD i'm not acknowledged , i just said what i saw logic340 said: There is not more need to discuss the NK lets focus on the rest of the living players. i'm not going to discuss the NK , i just have a theory over it and that's it , and i'm focusing at the problem it i see at hand yeah i kind of have a theory , but i dont want to say anything i feel going to make us delay ending the name pair problem , and at this point i see that its mostly in Karote hand's (you might want to refer to post #1304, in regard of the theory) logic340 said: KOtA said: logic340 said: Did you think because you avoided the lynch D1 you were both cleared of suspicion? no i didn't , i we're both still suspects , but from what i saw it a problem that exist yet you choose to delay solving it yeah , i'm also not found of lynching , but if its going to be a problem and Karote not going to take part in solving it , then lynch is the current answer logic340 said: Maybe you should question your voters and find out why they are voting for you. Talk among your comrades. i think i dont have , so far i have chione and roy voting against me , and both stated why . btw , i'm not looking into making both of us clear until the end of the game , i'm trying to make sure that when any of us is mentioned as a scum , what happened on day 1 doesn't have any effect on it |
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Dec 21, 2016 7:05 PM
#1333
DenjaX said: He says the problem is a D1 paradox no lynch on him and Karote which he believe is now leading into D3. He will not separate himself from Karote (at least that is how I see it).KOtA said: Tell me. What is the problem at hand that you are focusing on?i'm not going to discuss the NK , i just have a theory over it and that's it , and i'm focusing at the problem it i see at hand yeah i kind of have a theory , but i dont want to say anything i feel going to make us delay ending the name pair problem , and at this point i see that its mostly in Karote hand's (you might want to refer to post #1304, in regard of the theory) Also, if nobody picked on you this day phase, would you be not posting again this phase? It seemed to be the case in Day 2. |
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Dec 21, 2016 7:11 PM
#1334
DenjaX said: Tell me. What is the problem at hand that you are focusing on? ummm KOtA said: KOta/Karote those 2 names been jumping around a lot , and i'm surprised that the lynch wasn't anyone of them , you all wanted to move on from D1 votes , but you still stuck with those name unsure of anyone of them, you should've lynched one of them and kept an eye on the other and even at last minute people still won't vote for any of them even with lack of inactivity , and choose to go after someone active(Phraze) on D3 , one of them should be lynched (if no one is killed at night) , town should take a rest from those 2 names (even if both are town) DenjaX said: Also, if nobody picked on you this day phase, would you be not posting again this phase? It seemed to be the case in Day 2. idk if you saw that , but i didn appear before anyone picked on me ^^ also in regard to day 2 all i can say real life sucks <.< |
Dec 21, 2016 7:25 PM
#1335
logic340 said: Your vote is a tool that I would like to see you use to your advantage. There should be at least 3 scun. If you believe that Karote is one of them then who are the others? I am certainly a fan of lynching as it is the only way to kill scum, verify anything, and keep the game moving forward. The only thing NK confirms is who was town. But for some reason even what can be grasped from that seems to be being missed. Do you still feel DenjaX is scum? Can you see any town motive behind what he has done this game? How about Togs he was the talked about just before D1 phase change and was the leader heading into D2. Do you think he is scum that is avoiding a lynch or town that was close to being mislynched twice. I don't need anything concrete but from your perspective how does it look? i think i'm currently using it well i stated that we both might've been townies , but by his lack of appearance , i'd say he's a legitimate vote considering he's part of the problem i'm trying to solve i'm going to keep holding my comment on denja being a scum or not , for now i commented on togs , its something he does , appear late and posts a wall of text (regardless what it contain) , i read him as scum-ish bc of that play style ,but he might flip town for me i think no one actually have a valid case against togs , since he avoided getting lynched twice , and i guess he's your next case |
Dec 21, 2016 7:38 PM
#1336
KOtA said: Nope I already did a case against togs and answered LucianRoy about my feeling of Togs EoD2 demeanor (it's on page 26). Is the only way to work out the Karote problem for Karote to be here? If so then I would say you have 9 other problems to work out (Denja, Penta, Soda, logic, Lucian, -shad-, Togs, Chione, and Rinto).logic340 said: Your vote is a tool that I would like to see you use to your advantage. There should be at least 3 scun. If you believe that Karote is one of them then who are the others? I am certainly a fan of lynching as it is the only way to kill scum, verify anything, and keep the game moving forward. The only thing NK confirms is who was town. But for some reason even what can be grasped from that seems to be being missed. Do you still feel DenjaX is scum? Can you see any town motive behind what he has done this game? How about Togs he was the talked about just before D1 phase change and was the leader heading into D2. Do you think he is scum that is avoiding a lynch or town that was close to being mislynched twice. I don't need anything concrete but from your perspective how does it look? i think i'm currently using it well i stated that we both might've been townies , but by his lack of appearance , i'd say he's a legitimate vote considering he's part of the problem i'm trying to solve i'm going to keep holding my comment on denja being a scum or not , for now i commented on togs , its something he does , appear late and posts a wall of text (regardless what it contain) , i read him as scum-ish bc of that play style ,but he might flip town for me i think no one actually have a valid case against togs , since he avoided getting lynched twice , and i guess he's your next case |
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Dec 21, 2016 7:43 PM
#1337
logic340 said: Is the only way to work out the Karote problem for Karote to be here? If so then I would say you have 9 other problems to work out (Denja, Penta, Soda, logic, Lucian, -shad-, Togs, Chione, and Rinto). no he's needed to end it so i can move on , and i wont have 9 other problems , i will only have one , who's townie and who's not |
Dec 21, 2016 7:43 PM
#1338
KOtA said: Are you even going to vote against me since you suspect me?i think i'm currently using it well i stated that we both might've been townies , but by his lack of appearance , i'd say he's a legitimate vote considering he's part of the problem i'm trying to solve i'm going to keep holding my comment on denja being a scum or not , for now i commented on togs , its something he does , appear late and posts a wall of text (regardless what it contain) , i read him as scum-ish bc of that play style ,but he might flip town for me i think no one actually have a valid case against togs , since he avoided getting lynched twice , and i guess he's your next case |
Dec 21, 2016 7:48 PM
#1339
DenjaX said: KOtA said: Are you even going to vote against me since you suspect me?i think i'm currently using it well i stated that we both might've been townies , but by his lack of appearance , i'd say he's a legitimate vote considering he's part of the problem i'm trying to solve i'm going to keep holding my comment on denja being a scum or not , for now i commented on togs , its something he does , appear late and posts a wall of text (regardless what it contain) , i read him as scum-ish bc of that play style ,but he might flip town for me i think no one actually have a valid case against togs , since he avoided getting lynched twice , and i guess he's your next case No , in my current vote thoughts you're not getting voted against , yet |
Dec 21, 2016 7:56 PM
#1340
KOtA said: Have you gone back and looked at my interaction with Denja to see if you can figure out why he IS town?DenjaX said: KOtA said: i think i'm currently using it well i stated that we both might've been townies , but by his lack of appearance , i'd say he's a legitimate vote considering he's part of the problem i'm trying to solve i'm going to keep holding my comment on denja being a scum or not , for now i commented on togs , its something he does , appear late and posts a wall of text (regardless what it contain) , i read him as scum-ish bc of that play style ,but he might flip town for me i think no one actually have a valid case against togs , since he avoided getting lynched twice , and i guess he's your next case No , in my current vote thoughts you're not getting voted against , yet |
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Dec 21, 2016 7:58 PM
#1341
logic340 said: KOtA said: Have you gone back and looked at my interaction with Denja to see if you can figure out why he IS town?DenjaX said: KOtA said: Are you even going to vote against me since you suspect me?i think i'm currently using it well i stated that we both might've been townies , but by his lack of appearance , i'd say he's a legitimate vote considering he's part of the problem i'm trying to solve i'm going to keep holding my comment on denja being a scum or not , for now i commented on togs , its something he does , appear late and posts a wall of text (regardless what it contain) , i read him as scum-ish bc of that play style ,but he might flip town for me i think no one actually have a valid case against togs , since he avoided getting lynched twice , and i guess he's your next case No , in my current vote thoughts you're not getting voted against , yet i have gone back to Denja's interaction with everyone since D1 until now , still not going to comment on that |
Dec 21, 2016 7:59 PM
#1342
KOtA said: logic340 said: KOtA said: DenjaX said: KOtA said: Are you even going to vote against me since you suspect me?i think i'm currently using it well i stated that we both might've been townies , but by his lack of appearance , i'd say he's a legitimate vote considering he's part of the problem i'm trying to solve i'm going to keep holding my comment on denja being a scum or not , for now i commented on togs , its something he does , appear late and posts a wall of text (regardless what it contain) , i read him as scum-ish bc of that play style ,but he might flip town for me i think no one actually have a valid case against togs , since he avoided getting lynched twice , and i guess he's your next case No , in my current vote thoughts you're not getting voted against , yet i have gone back to Denja's interaction with everyone since D1 until now , still not going to comment on that Sorry to interject, but why not? |
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Dec 21, 2016 8:00 PM
#1343
@PentaFlare You made a comment about how I didn't have enough content from you to scum read you. I still don't think I have enough content to read you either way but I am beginning to wonder if that may be by design, Can you please give me a read list or something about why you suspect DenjaX? Edit: grammar |
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Dec 21, 2016 8:01 PM
#1344
KOtA said: Why is Karote the only thing you are willing to comment on yet you claim that we are the ones hung up on it?logic340 said: KOtA said: DenjaX said: KOtA said: Are you even going to vote against me since you suspect me?i think i'm currently using it well i stated that we both might've been townies , but by his lack of appearance , i'd say he's a legitimate vote considering he's part of the problem i'm trying to solve i'm going to keep holding my comment on denja being a scum or not , for now i commented on togs , its something he does , appear late and posts a wall of text (regardless what it contain) , i read him as scum-ish bc of that play style ,but he might flip town for me i think no one actually have a valid case against togs , since he avoided getting lynched twice , and i guess he's your next case No , in my current vote thoughts you're not getting voted against , yet i have gone back to Denja's interaction with everyone since D1 until now , still not going to comment on that |
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Dec 21, 2016 8:02 PM
#1345
Dec 21, 2016 8:02 PM
#1346
LucianRoy said: Sorry to interject, but why not? i dont see the effect it'll make on anything |
Dec 21, 2016 8:04 PM
#1347
KOtA said: LucianRoy said: Sorry to interject, but why not? i dont see the effect it'll make on anything Not even the effect on your read on Denja? |
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Dec 21, 2016 8:06 PM
#1348
KOtA said: That is the problem you are not the only one that will be effected or be able to see the effect. Sometimes these things cannot be seen until after the fact that is why we keep posting.LucianRoy said: Sorry to interject, but why not? i dont see the effect it'll make on anything |
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Dec 21, 2016 8:06 PM
#1349
logic340 said: Why is Karote the only thing you are willing to comment on yet you claim that we are the ones hung up on it? bc that's what i see as the current problem , and i really wouldn't have touched on the Karote problem anytime soon if i didn't see it as a problem if i were here day2 i wouldn't have made any comment on Karote and his lack of presence |
Dec 21, 2016 8:07 PM
#1350
KOtA said: If you truly believe we are on the wrong track and you have the information to get us going in the right direction why would you withhold it from us?LucianRoy said: Sorry to interject, but why not? i dont see the effect it'll make on anything |
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