Game v7: The Great Terror - (The Original Mafia)

KOtA said:

bc that's what i see as the current problem , and i really wouldn't have touched on the Karote problem anytime soon if i didn't see it as a problem
if i were here day2 i wouldn't have made any comment on Karote and his lack of presence

KOtA said:
No , in my current vote thoughts you're not getting voted against , yet

[2] KOtA ✖ Chione, LucianRoy
[1] Karote ✖ KOtA
[1] No Lynch ✖ DenjaX


Neglect of Duty || logic340, Togs, Rinto-kun, Sodalicious_, Karote, PentaFlare, -shad-

LucianRoy said:

Not even the effect on your read on Denja?

logic340 said:
That is the problem you are not the only one that will be effected or be able to see the effect. Sometimes these things cannot be seen until after the fact that is why we keep posting.

LucianRoy said:
@Kota, I wouldn't trouble yourself over Night Kill Analysis because the majority of the time it's just plain wine.

logic340 said:
If you truly believe we are on the wrong track and you have the information to get us going in the right direction why would you withhold it from us?

logic340 said:
So pretend today is D2 then what are you going to talk about?

DenjaX said:
So are you just gonna take all the people who want to lynch you and not try to lead a counter against your train? That is not the most townie thing to do. xDD

KOtA said:


those effect are not relevant to the problem i'm on (for now) , i stated i might change my mind on the 2nd part of this phase.

KOtA said:
umm what vote train , unless you're going to add your vote too , i dont consider that as a vote train
also at this part even my lynch means that the problem is solved

logic340 said:
Togs was loverized with Fo and was universally town read for bussing his partner D1. When it came down to it he whipped up a storm against Fo trying to reverse my thinking. Just thinking about this question right now I would have to say this is his town CCL game (-shad- and DenjaX were host).
#946 - He sure did come in with some confidence he said he wasn't getting lynched and it happened. Looking at the game state when he came in I can't say that he was a huge part in that as many were already moving to Phraze and -shad- around the time this post happened. From here Togs and -shad- are going back and forth about Togs meta. I really like #973 he is not panicked and #985 sounds very reasonable. Everything else is really clean I have to agree with PentaFlare in #1071 this defense I would classify as town (limited experience). The mafia I have seen up for lynch have never been this cool under pressure.

LucianRoy said:
@Kota, also reads or rope plz.

KOtA said:

i dont think i'm holding ant information that will get you on the right direction if you're on the wrong one

DenjaX said:
@logic340 who are you inclined to vote today? I suggest not waiting for Penta, I think he is going to come 30 minutes before phase change again. xDD

@-shad- who you want to vote? You can sheep with my vote since you can trust me. :D

DenjaX said:
Yes, you can say my vote is on you as I am starting to think that no-lynch will be unnecessary. I just wanna see how you would redirect the lynch of interest to someone else before I switch my vote. xDD

DenjaX said:
Maybe you should step up your game and try to decipher it. Other people got it, why can't you? Don't wait for me to spoonfeed things for you. People who read me town knew what I was up to. I believe in you xDD

logic340 said:
I think if you follow mine and Gruffin's interactions with DenjaX you will see a common thread. I have a good vibe about you, I see you working things out. Look past what has been said and think about why it was said.

KOtA said:

you mean detailed reads ?

KOtA said:
umm there shouldn't be any post deletion , right ?
bc apparently i can't seem to find some posts i was going to build some of my cases on.....

LucianRoy said:

Am I the only one who's not a part of this "yeah I understand what Denja is on about" cult? Is it really only me who's being blind? Still don't get any kind of this message Denja is supposedly telegraphing to everyone but me, and it's only getting increasingly frustrating when people give me that "yeah, look at the words in the words" hippy shit.

-shad- said:
@Karote

About my mini read list,
Yeah i know i have not been contributing much the 2 day phases because of presentation and stuff and actually it got postpone to thursday so im like fuq it now since i have only need the touch up stuff to do

Sure, i might have caught some scum before, but point me which game where i did contribute much more than what i have been doing this game as i always thought im a passive player?

Karote said:


Hey, Kota is on chopping block right now. You said you think he might be possible scum before but you aren't really doing anything, you should push your lynch target.

Sure, you're passive player but all you're doing is posting whenever somebody mentions you. That means you're more concerned about your safety than figuring out the game.

I mean, I have seen you play like that before but you're more cautious about your vote than necessary this time. Town only power is vote.

And then your list you posted, you have a lot more town reads than scum, in fact you read only one person as scum which is Togs and possible scum Kota.

logic340 said:
This is getting long and I don't have much time left so I will post what I have and add to it as I can.

Karote:



Notable Posts (at least I though they warranted mention):
#37 – Phraze wants Karote to elaborate on #25
Unanswered question though they were very active early on

#111 – “Lol, I'm not discouraging.
If you want analyse first post RVS votes then go ahead. xD
Trains and single votes are different, pls.
I didn't.” 1. Rather than give good answers to Kit’s case we get this. First answer I do not agree with at all as I found Karote’s early posts negative and discouraging.
2. Contradiction about first vote RVS
2. Trains and single votes are different but that doesn’t change the fact that it was still an Random Vote, which I stated later on.
3. Will not admit to changing the meaning of what Phraze said though 2 people have called him out about it.

#153 – says they will keep their vote for now
#156 – 1 hour later with no new information decided to unvote
So there are only only 3 posts (1 hour) separating these two posts. They seem to contradict one another

#169 – DenjaX resonse to #161 “Either that or you fail again this time which I reckon similar things occurred before. xDD
I also believe there are 4 mafias in this game. It fits perfectly with 3:1 ratio and everyone are vanillas. Anything less or more of that would be considered imbalanced in my book xDD”
#186 – response to 169 “what?”
Did this just go over Karote’s head or are they joking? I can’t tell I have a hard time reading their interaction with DenjaX but their answers are usually lacking from looking at things to this point.

#248 – Response to Gruffin post #242 “not really odd the fact that hes keeping his vote where it is is town mindset. Means he know his vote has much more it can do, plus if he scum it would have made more snse to follow the train.” I find this one odd because Shinichi is referring to post #153 but we see that Karote has unvoted 3 posts later in #156. They didn’t keep their vote like they said they would yet Shinichi says this shows a town mindset.

#254 – Karote’s response to Shinich #228 “Ew.”
#271 – Shinich says Karote is no fun in response to #254
#274 – Karote response to #271 “You were being gross :D”
So Karote never answered Shinichi's questions and actually found what I see as a very strange way to avoid it.

#363 – DenjaX says “so it's Togs, logic, Karote scumteam. This is too easy. xDD
#366 – “How did you know?
*falls on knees”
#662 – DenjaX says “I claimed that Togs, you, and Karote are scumteam. I think I will add Rinto here as well. xDD”
#666 - “I claimed that Togs, you, and Karote are scumteam. I think I will add Rinto here as well. xDD”
These four post stand out to me. Can anyone see the town mindset behind these remarks? Togs and I had no comment to these remarks about us being a scum team.

#677 - Resonds to Gruffin making a scum team that includes him and Ruu
"But Ruu is against me and even was on my lynch train, so we both can't be scum.
What do you think about Chione?"
We all know that scum will bus one another and being this type of no reveal set up these early votes are going to be really hard to narrow down. I could see scum theatre happening but even if that isn't the case this post doesn't do much to nix the idea.

#764 suggests that reading Kit's posts could give some answers was sure Guffin would be the one to die.
They never posted what they found from reading Kit's interactions.

#801 - Karote asks "@Ruu, you want me to respond your case against me?
I overlooked it up until now, lol."
Why do you need Ruu's permission just leave your post so we have something to work with

I cannot say that they have not been beneficial to town but they really haven't made their opinion know to where I reached. They are quite dismissive in the early portion of the game and were MIA for a large part of D2. He's been on multiple times during D2 and N2 but hasn't posted since #917 which was to tell me he would read when he get the chance. There isn't much that I find to be very town motivated about this list if others feel differently please make your opinion known.

logic340 said:
I find this post a bit hypocritical when you parked you vote on -shad- and disappeared for the majority of the phase D2. Instead of telling -shad- what to do with their vote why don't you do something with yours? Where is your current read list at? Before asking these things of others you should probably do them yourself comrade.

Rinto-kun said:
Vadim: Karote
On Logic's statement.

Rinto-kun said:
1. Gruffin - Killed N2
2. DenjaX
3. logic340
4. Togs
5. Rinto-kun
6. Ruu - Modkilled N2
7. Phraze - Lynched D2
8. Sodalicious_
9. KOtA
10. Chione
11. Karote
12. LucianRoy
13. PentaFlare
14. Kit - Killed N1
15. -shad-
16. callmeluna - Modkilled N2
What I don't like is that only active and pro-town members are being killed. I suspect LucianRoy for what he said about exploiting town's weakness.
Also kind of logic because so far the people who were killed at night were ones he used to play with and is familiar with.
Karote and KOtA should start doing something pro-town. Wherever is Shad and Togs? Sodalicious is to be modkilled, hopefully.
I like Denja and Chione's behaviour so far. Penta doesn't seem bad though I still want more thinking from him, though it seems to be trying.
I see a possible scum team with Karote/Kota, Soda, shad + Togs.

Karote said:


Jeez, chill.

KOtA said:
i wasn't going to go after karote , especially after what happened on D1 , where town didn't lynch anyone , but then our names reappeared again as a potential scum , and again no one of us was lynched.

if you want me to go after him , then here i go :
D2 didn't cast a vote and lack of activity (i did too)
N2 , still didn't appear
little scum hunt , and more vague posts (apparently i do that too)
Gruffin suspected both of us , and ended up being the NK (even though she ended up posting that i am the scum)


am i a scum ? No
why am i doing this ? to make the town move on from KOta/Karote thingy , and i'll see it through
for me this is what i see the town stuck on , since D1 , and if we're on N3 and its not solved it is going to be a problem




N1 , kit got killed after being active at night , he was pointed as the most active
N2 , Gruffin got killed after being active at night , she was pointed as the most active

this is what i saw , they act like they're still on day phase , instead of playing it safe


No , bc if you saw on N1 i was going to give my reads , but D2 i didn't appear until 3-4 h before phase change , and it took me 3h to type my replay and by the time i got back on , Gruffin was lynched , no search was in act

KOtA said:
bc i also been there , if Karote didnt appear this phase he's going to be mode killed , there for on 2 part of this phase i might change my target , but know that as soon as Karote appear i'm going back at it

logic340 said:
Who are your scum buddies? Why should I chill when you have been MIA for 48 hours?

Karote said:


MIA equals scum?
Kek.

LucianRoy said:

Am I the only one who's not a part of this "yeah I understand what Denja is on about" cult? Is it really only me who's being blind? Still don't get any kind of this message Denja is supposedly telegraphing to everyone but me, and it's only getting increasingly frustrating when people give me that "yeah, look at the words in the words" hippy shit.

logic340 said:
No it doesn't but your behavior sure looks that way. And posts like this one reinforce that notion. kek

logic340 said:
@Karote what are your thoughts on this post?

Karote said:


I didn't get it either but I thought that was just me being retarded.

Karote said:


You're right, I was MIA since D2 and I was online a lot, hell, I was even reading manga during that time and stuff.
Though I just didn't really feel like playing it because my brain was already roasted from studying and exams, I am here now and I'll post since I have holidays now.

But you don't have to take my excuses to the heart, I'll just try to make up for it by being more active.
I'll make a quick read list.

KOtA said:

i think i'm currently using it
well i stated that we both might've been townies , but by his lack of appearance , i'd say he's a legitimate vote considering he's part of the problem i'm trying to solve
i'm going to keep holding my comment on denja being a scum or not , for now
i commented on togs , its something he does , appear late and posts a wall of text (regardless what it contain) , i read him as scum-ish bc of that play style ,but he might flip town for me
i think no one actually have a valid case against togs , since he avoided getting lynched twice , and i guess he's your next case

Chione said:
Re-reading on Rinto rn.

@logic340

https://xss.now.cc/forum/?topicid=1576908&show=850#msg49026063

Why were you town reading him at that point? Sorry if you answered it already but I can't really find it and I'd like to compare my thoughts on him to that point with the thoughts you had on him there, cause I really can't see how you got that town read. Action-wise nor behaviour-wise, he did nothing to gain that town read.

Karote said:
I'm sad we didn't get a search last night (I know I didn't vote, don't bite me)
This game will be really tough to figure out, at least I depend on night kills/lynches role reveals and try to connect dots together with votes.

Everyone should vote search tonight.

-shad- said:
I shall post when I get up from a quick nap. 12 hours of uni was tiring with added amount of pressure from presentation.

DenjaX said:
Sure. I am not really scared of getting isolated from my potential allies because they are all being killed each night. Town: logic, shad, Rinto-kun and probably Chione.

Mafia can kill them for all I care. xDD

The longer the mafia keeps me alive, the longer they make themselves in danger. They keep killing my allies who see me as town (except for Kit but I'm sure it was just a matter of time xDD). I think they are going for the long con where they will make me powerless when all my allies are gone.

I do want to be killed though so that people will be 100% sure about my alignment xDD My overall gameplay has been erratic as I cannot even predict what I was doing.

Enlighten me. I've yet to see your reads against me. Or I am probably blind and failed to find it. I don't think you ever developed your reads against me. You just downright accused me of being scum. xDD