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| Vadim: KOtA I still don't see why we shouldn't lynch KOtA. He's clearly shown the most suspicious behavior and is still the person who's most likely to be scum, and the reasons why I scum read him I've laid out in my post with the three reads. Just because his lynch is too easy it doesn't rule out that he could be scum, nor is it a reason to not scum read him. Even Denja admitted that he'd rather have seen KOtA lynched last phase. He's escaped the lynch too many times already despite having a number of people who scum read him. I also still don't see what's supposed to be the deal with Rinto being town read by logic. @Karote do you? @logic340 Do you actually want me to take apart these weird bolded cues that apparently are supposed to point to Karote and me being scum buds? Be specific in your what you ask for cause it's pretty hard to tell what you even want from people when you just throw such general remarks into the air. @Rinto-kun @KOtA What do you think about the case I've made on you guys here? Do you think the points made are justified? Who are your main suspects right now? @Togs Poke. |
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Chione said: I'm just trying to look at all the different angles. I don't know what to think. I'm so lost with the general inactivity. You've been one of my strongest town reads. I'm just confused and lost right now.Vadim: KOtA I still don't see why we shouldn't lynch KOtA. He's clearly shown the most suspicious behavior and is still the person who's most likely to be scum, and the reasons why I scum read him I've laid out in my post with the three reads. Just because his lynch is too easy it doesn't rule out that he could be scum, nor is it a reason to not scum read him. Even Denja admitted that he'd rather have seen KOtA lynched last phase. He's escaped the lynch too many times already despite having a number of people who scum read him. I also still don't see what's supposed to be the deal with Rinto being town read by logic. @Karote do you? @logic340 Do you actually want me to take apart these weird bolded cues that apparently are supposed to point to Karote and me being scum buds? Be specific in your what you ask for cause it's pretty hard to tell what you even want from people when you just throw such general remarks into the air. @Rinto-kun @KOtA What do you think about the case I've made on you guys here? Do you think the points made are justified? Who are your main suspects right now? @Togs Poke. |
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| Soooo... uuhhh, logic, for the sake of the thread, could you be a dear and summarize your case on Karot in like three succinct lines? I'm trying to get the main message here but it's eluding me. |
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| Are you assuming one scum died already or we began with 3? In either case, looks kinda like pulling names outta hats and matching them up. |
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LucianRoy said: that's based off them being spread out on vote count. I'm grasping at straws right now....need more input from others. I may just let the rest of you decide our fate we are in MYLO if I'm not mistaken. How do you read Rinto?Are you assuming one scum died already or we began with 3? In either case, looks kinda like pulling names outta hats and matching them up. |
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| @LucianRoy my case against Karote and Chione boils down to practice what you preach. They stay on players to move and use their vote but looking at the suspicion history they do not do this themselves. Karote: scummy D1 all town who suspected him are dead (gruffin, kit, denja) escaped lynch (could be Rinto save?). Absent basically all of D2. Parks on KOtA adds Minimal discussion D3. I'd rather hear why they are town? |
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logic340 said: LucianRoy said: that's based off them being spread out on vote count. I'm grasping at straws right now....need more input from others. I may just let the rest of you decide our fate we are in MYLO if I'm not mistaken. How do you read Rinto?Are you assuming one scum died already or we began with 3? In either case, looks kinda like pulling names outta hats and matching them up. Hard to read someone who plays follow the leader whenever logic shows up in the thread. Like, off the top of my head I can only remember them sheeping you yesterday and that's it. Rinto's been coasting hard feels like. Doubt I've seen solid content from that slot in ages, so really, what is there I'm looking at? Like, at this point I'm not focusing on associatives at all, and I'm looking for just one good scum lynch I can get behind and be confident with. KOtA might be that lynch, but no way in hell is the lynch going through before we grill him and analyze. |
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Chione said: There are three scum.left. Who else is scum?Vadim: KOtA I still don't see why we shouldn't lynch KOtA. He's clearly shown the most suspicious behavior and is still the person who's most likely to be scum, and the reasons why I scum read him I've laid out in my post with the three reads. Just because his lynch is too easy it doesn't rule out that he could be scum, nor is it a reason to not scum read him. Even Denja admitted that he'd rather have seen KOtA lynched last phase. He's escaped the lynch too many times already despite having a number of people who scum read him. I also still don't see what's supposed to be the deal with Rinto being town read by logic. @Karote do you? @logic340 Do you actually want me to take apart these weird bolded cues that apparently are supposed to point to Karote and me being scum buds? Be specific in your what you ask for cause it's pretty hard to tell what you even want from people when you just throw such general remarks into the air. @Rinto-kun @KOtA What do you think about the case I've made on you guys here? Do you think the points made are justified? Who are your main suspects right now? @Togs Poke. |
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logic340 said: @LucianRoy my case against Karote and Chione boils down to practice what you preach. They stay on players to move and use their vote but looking at the suspicion history they do not do this themselves. Karote: scummy D1 all town who suspected him are dead (gruffin, kit, denja) escaped lynch (could be Rinto save?). Absent basically all of D2. Parks on KOtA adds Minimal discussion D3. I'd rather hear why they are town? Alright, let's get something straight first. Karote was scheduled by the town to get lynched D1 and that never happened b/c of unorganized voting resulting in a tie. After that, D2, what then? Chalking the main reason up to karote being alive is him flying really really low and the majority of people just writing him off as neutral or a waste of time to push b/c of it. Correct me if I'm wrong. NKA is wifom. Like, if it went something along the lines of Karote hauled ass D1 and then just sailed below everyone's radar to avoid conflict, then that would be scummy as shit, but by going against the grain and giving unpopular opinions like "Penta was a Ml" it brings up the topic of why would he do that unless he's actually trying to make progress with something? Dunno meng, this is like shooting in the dark b/c Karote a) isn't here to say a word on anything, and b) he might be active for like 1/500 of the day. Also, could you just clarify why chione and Karote are an associative read? If this is your summary, then I don't see it. |
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logic340 said: 3 left!!! WTF....so the Scum have been inactive. Since I'm the only fully active player left.I'm going to say togs and Karote are probably scum they've both been saved and both missed a lot of the last two phases. @Rinto-kun why are you more concerned with the Soda NK than the fact that there are still 3 scum left? @LucianRoy what are your thoughts? Eh, I just wanted to make sure. Nearly half the population of this town should have been deported to Gulag from the very beginning. On to my thoughts, though I seem to have forgotten much about everyone after the holidays and their inactivity doesn't help either. At the moment, the ratio is 6:3, meaning, we have around 2 days to catch scum. It's still little but I hope we do something about it. So far it's easier to say who I trust. At the same time, scum has been killing good and active players with a lot of contribution(or at least tries to do that) and that's bothering me. Inactive players like Pentaflare, Togs, Karote and KOtA shouldn't have any way to tell who is active and who - not. Can't really say I suspect you guys and if logic had been scum from the very beginning, I might as well jump into the cold sea, because scum hasn't done anything to him, knowing that he was one of the few active players. If I had to say I trust somebody completely, it would be Lucian, maybe because he is good player and often has good opinions of players. Shinichi also didn't exhibit any scum features like he usually does. Chione is maybe second to Logic on the suspect-and-trust list. She seems to be providing accurate judgement on a players(I'm lazy though and didn't have time to argue or interpret her thoughts, some of which have been conflicting) logic, as much as I want to believe him, has a playstyle of an incredibly good spy, or just the way I think about it. At the same time I like what he's doing and really desperately tries to play the game. If he was a little less active, I'd have written him off as a pure german spy. Now I want to trust him. @KOtA, @Togs and @-shad- have acted suspiciously from the get-go, I want them either modkilled or posting at least 20 times this phase, because they don't feel like even trying to involve with the game. If anything, Togs have been active or trying to do something about it, KOtA was kind and good citizen who sent me a nice letter, so I doubt him. About shad I can't really say anything, he has been stinking from the beginning, but logic said something about seeing him in a good light a couple day ago. Guess I'll have to look for that too. Penta isn't alive anymore, right? |
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LucianRoy said: Everyone has been coasting hard. For better or worse this game has certainly changed me as a player. Can't read more than half the people in the game due to inactivity. I am still waiting on reasons that Karote is town and not scum. You guys take a part my Karote argument which actually spans 2 days now. I will try to link all the post but it's getting down to the wire and your defense for Karote boils down to my scum read isn't good enough. Where is the town read?logic340 said: that's based off them being spread out on vote count. I'm grasping at straws right now....need more input from others. I may just let the rest of you decide our fate we are in MYLO if I'm not mistaken. How do you read Rinto? Hard to read someone who plays follow the leader whenever logic shows up in the thread. Like, off the top of my head I can only remember them sheeping you yesterday and that's it. Rinto's been coasting hard feels like. Doubt I've seen solid content from that slot in ages, so really, what is there I'm looking at? Like, at this point I'm not focusing on associatives at all, and I'm looking for just one good scum lynch I can get behind and be confident with. KOtA might be that lynch, but no way in hell is the lynch going through before we grill him and analyze. |
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| I'm sorry Comrade I don't feel like I've carried the torch well. @Rinto-kun care to place a vote? @Chione Why haven't you used your vote to pressure Rinto? @LucianRoy I really wish you would have been able to figure out how me, Gruffin, and DenjaX all figured each other out. I feel like you have neglected a lot of my posts. I want to hear your reasons for believing someone is town or scum. There are three scum left and the only person I can point to you reading that way is KOtA. @KOtA do you have anything to add before they lynch you? I wont be saving you today. @Karote You got a lot of defense out here. Why not come help us defeat the German spied? @-shad- Denja chose you to carry the torch with me. Where you at? @Togs I hope life is treating you well So with little to no added information this phase I don't know where to go. Still no one has answered the myriad of questions I have asked them. I really feel like I am here alone among the spies and inactive. Outside of all our NK's comrades this town has done very little to come together. I haven't seen any of you who "suspected" him come forward and say anything about being wrong. Matter of fact according to Rinto it makes me more suspicious though it should prove to all of you that I am town since I really did know that Gruffin and DenjaX were town through Cryptic game play. We really figured things out and learned how to gain trust in one another I wish more of you would have paid attention to us. Mislynch and Togs ModKill will secure a Mafia victory are you guys certain about what you are doing? |
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Chione said: No what I would like however is reads on the other players. Who do you think is scum besides. KOtA.Vadim: KOtA I still don't see why we shouldn't lynch KOtA. He's clearly shown the most suspicious behavior and is still the person who's most likely to be scum, and the reasons why I scum read him I've laid out in my post with the three reads. Just because his lynch is too easy it doesn't rule out that he could be scum, nor is it a reason to not scum read him. Even Denja admitted that he'd rather have seen KOtA lynched last phase. He's escaped the lynch too many times already despite having a number of people who scum read him. I also still don't see what's supposed to be the deal with Rinto being town read by logic. @Karote do you? @logic340 Do you actually want me to take apart these weird bolded cues that apparently are supposed to point to Karote and me being scum buds? Be specific in your what you ask for cause it's pretty hard to tell what you even want from people when you just throw such general remarks into the air. @Rinto-kun @KOtA What do you think about the case I've made on you guys here? Do you think the points made are justified? Who are your main suspects right now? @Togs Poke. |
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LucianRoy said: The answers aren't what was important there. It was the behavior associated with the questions. Same reason for why DenjaX and I knew we could trust one another it was a behavioral. Reason. Gruffin spelled it out and that seems to have gone over everyone head. She though DenjaX or Her would have been killed for it N1 for but they waited and took Kit first. These NKA may be WIFOM but they still hold some significance which you guys are brushing off.Ok, so I'm doing a bit of backreading, and I'm at the part where Gruff, Logic, and Denja are all grilling Phraze and Denja keeps bringing up how his "questions were fluff and a trap" then "they weren't fluff, but they were still a trap!" Can someone, preferably @Denjax, explain how and why he came to the conclusion Phraze was scum from those questions? I don't follow. I still have yet to see reads from everyone. Who are the three scum. Today Rinto's post while not the most townie sounding looks better than what I am seeing from Chione and Lucian. This feels like a mafia win with no on else having anything to say. I'm not even motivated to prove my cases anymore since the evidence is here an no one wants to use it. I need someone to explain why they feel Karote is town? I have answered your questions and explained my reasoning why you all do nothing but stay neutral on everyone but KOta. |
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logic340 said: @LucianRoy @Karote and @Chionelogic340 said: ☭ Vadim's List 2.4 (Final) ☭ [5] Phraze ✖ Togs, DenjaX, Gruffin, logic340, Chione [4] -shad- ✖ Karote, PentaFlare, Phraze, LucianRoy [1] Togs ✖ -shad- [1] Karote ✖ Rinto-kun Neglect of Duty || Ruu, Sodalicious_, KOtA, callmeLuna @ Everyone how do you feel about the people who were on your train? How do you feel about the people on Phraze's train? @-shad- definitely would like your insight since you were at the center of all this. Edit: Added Neglect of Duty list The Phraze Train: With the exception of Togs I am really confident that all the others on the train are town. If anyone has a case for someone listed to not be town please bring it up. I will be looking closer at Togs late D2 and obviously all of D3. If I can clear the Phraze train then this makes PoE a whole lot easier from my PoV. The -shad- Train: I really wouldn't be surprised if there were two scum there but I definitely think there is at least 1 scum hiding there. Karote and Phraze would be the first two to come to mind. Karote I can't point to anyone thing that I can really nail them for but there are a lot of their posts that make me question a town mindset. Phraze is always tough to read but I didn't get the town vibe that I usually due. This may be attributed to irl (which she said was having a bit of an affect), the lack of activity limiting her style, or drawing scum for the first time. The way she accepted her death is very different from the time I mislynched her (but this doesn't really tell me anything). I will say she went down without much of a fight which was very unexpected for Phraze. Penta and Lucian I haven't seen enough from to make a decision either way. The Togs Train: Based on a certain post I am inclined to believe that -shad- is town. The Karote Train: Rinto is the only one here and imo at a glance this looks like probably the best vote out of the bunch. He has been hard to read due to his passive style but I my gut and the vibe I get from him says Town to me. Neglect of Duty: KOta - looks the worst out of the three. That write up Gruffin did before dying is very compelling. Also KOta's response to it seems a little.....lackluster. He's had a very defeatist attitude from the beginning and hasn't done much with the advice he's been given to change it. I understand he says he has a analyze the information type of playstyle but with all the information available I would have hoped to see more from his read list and the questions he answered. Sodalicious_ was online 5 hours ago. Don't have anyting else to go on besides the 3 posts I didn't like from Tingle and her one post saying she was catching up. Ruu and callmeLuna were both modkilled. Ruu I feel like this game was probably town for her, callmeLuna your guess is as good as mine. Posts like this have never been discussed is this another one of my windbag posts that you guys cannot follow? Like I am kind of offended that I have put so much effort into this game and you guys brush off everything that I have said. If you are in fact town and we lose I will feel horrible. I tried but my efforts seem to be wasted on this game. |
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logic340 said: Gomen gomen i was in class im back down my torch partner.I'm sorry Comrade I don't feel like I've carried the torch well. @Rinto-kun care to place a vote? @Chione Why haven't you used your vote to pressure Rinto? @LucianRoy I really wish you would have been able to figure out how me, Gruffin, and DenjaX all figured each other out. I feel like you have neglected a lot of my posts. I want to hear your reasons for believing someone is town or scum. There are three scum left and the only person I can point to you reading that way is KOtA. @KOtA do you have anything to add before they lynch you? I wont be saving you today. @Karote You got a lot of defense out here. Why not come help us defeat the German spied? @-shad- Denja chose you to carry the torch with me. Where you at? @Togs I hope life is treating you well So with little to no added information this phase I don't know where to go. Still no one has answered the myriad of questions I have asked them. I really feel like I am here alone among the spies and inactive. Outside of all our NK's comrades this town has done very little to come together. I haven't seen any of you who "suspected" him come forward and say anything about being wrong. Matter of fact according to Rinto it makes me more suspicious though it should prove to all of you that I am town since I really did know that Gruffin and DenjaX were town through Cryptic game play. We really figured things out and learned how to gain trust in one another I wish more of you would have paid attention to us. Mislynch and Togs ModKill will secure a Mafia victory are you guys certain about what you are doing? Could i have your thoughts on the case. Your prolly the one that i trust the most in this case. |
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| @Chione, @Karote, @KOtA, @Togs, @Rinto-kun, and @LucianRoy have you guys read all the flavor text that go along with the phase changes? Do either of you see anything there that relates to your private message? @-shad- is cleared for me because they used their Private Message to their advantage. This is what DenjaX figured out there is a way to use it to segregate the scum from the town. So now I am being as straight forward as I can without giving it away. If none of you can figure this out (with me being so blatant this time) then I do not think I will be able to have trust in you. It's a mechanics thing I know but at this point what do I have when you wont give analysis?? |
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-shad- said: I am very lost too. No one else (besides you) picked up on the clues that Gruffin, Denja, and I left and now I am the only one....We have 8 people so if we mislynch this phase it's over for us. I don't like that Chione and Lucian are content with KOta while there are two other scum on the lose.+ @logic340 With the case being 3 mafia, im actually losing my confidience. The thing is, i thought that my train on the second day would gather at least 2 mafias or 3 the most when i could be seen as a perfect easy lynch. Right now with 3 mafia, im honestly not sure what to do since im huge ass in behaviorial analysis and wihtout any power roles that i can take advantage off im more than useless in this case. |
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logic340 said: @Chione, @Karote, @KOtA @Rinto-kun, and @LucianRoy have you guys read all the flavor text that go along with the phase changes? Do either of you see anything there that relates to your private message? @-shad- is cleared for me because they used their Private Message to their advantage. This is what DenjaX figured out there is a way to use it to segregate the scum from the town. So now I am being as straight forward as I can without giving it away. If none of you can figure this out (with me being so blatant this time) then I do not think I will be able to have trust in you. It's a mechanics thing I know but at this point what do I have when you wont give analysis?? I honestly do not think flavour texting should be an indication on whos the killer or give any upstart advantages in my opinion if what im getting or trying to understand. But i still think its a togs/Kota/ +1 scum theme Edit : cross out not, cause on phone and didnt see an autocorrect of "Do not" |
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logic340 said: -shad- said: I am very lost too. No one else (besides you) picked up on the clues that Gruffin, Denja, and I left and now I am the only one....We have 8 people so if we mislynch this phase it's over for us. I don't like that Chione and Lucian are content with KOta while there are two other scum on the lose.+ @logic340 With the case being 3 mafia, im actually losing my confidience. The thing is, i thought that my train on the second day would gather at least 2 mafias or 3 the most when i could be seen as a perfect easy lynch. Right now with 3 mafia, im honestly not sure what to do since im huge ass in behaviorial analysis and wihtout any power roles that i can take advantage off im more than useless in this case. I know how you feel, as it feels like its us against the world at this point. There are bound to be scum somewhere in the previous vote count. The thing is i cant seem to get it. Wish that someone is good at vote count analysis at this point to get us a greater light because obviously other than (gruffin me you and denja) others are clearly not reading the hints that were lying around. |
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-shad- said: Yeah I have felt it for some time now. DenjaX tried to appeal to their sportsmanship to no avail. I can feel that the scum team are laughing at us now in their secret club. Karote said: Please respond to them. This is like a really dire emergency for town we cannot get this wrong.So many mentions, lol. |
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logic340 said: Chione said: There are three scum.left. Who else is scum?Vadim: KOtA I still don't see why we shouldn't lynch KOtA. He's clearly shown the most suspicious behavior and is still the person who's most likely to be scum, and the reasons why I scum read him I've laid out in my post with the three reads. Just because his lynch is too easy it doesn't rule out that he could be scum, nor is it a reason to not scum read him. Even Denja admitted that he'd rather have seen KOtA lynched last phase. He's escaped the lynch too many times already despite having a number of people who scum read him. I also still don't see what's supposed to be the deal with Rinto being town read by logic. @Karote do you? @logic340 Do you actually want me to take apart these weird bolded cues that apparently are supposed to point to Karote and me being scum buds? Be specific in your what you ask for cause it's pretty hard to tell what you even want from people when you just throw such general remarks into the air. @Rinto-kun @KOtA What do you think about the case I've made on you guys here? Do you think the points made are justified? Who are your main suspects right now? @Togs Poke. From scummiest to least scummy KOtA > Togs > Rinto > Karote > Lucy > shad > logic logic340 said: @Chione Why haven't you used your vote to pressure Rinto? I actually thought about voting for Rinto. However, unlike KOtA, he does respond to me without me having to pressure him. And I do not have as much suspicion on Rinto, as he's only a slight scum read, so I don't see why I shouldn't vote for my biggest scum read instead. Question right back at you, why aren't you voting at all? |
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☭ Search Party N1 ☭ Kit Gruffin Rinto-kun Ruu logic340 Karote ☭ Search Party N2 ☭ Chione KOtA Rinto-kun Togs logic340 ☭ Search Party N3 ☭ logic340 LucianRoy -shad- Chione Karote Rinto-kun DenjaX These are the three Search Party Votes does anyone thing we can gain information on who is scum and who is town based on this? |
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Do you associate headache=scummy read? Sorry, but it's not. I only town read you because of the town block Denja has established, and by now I have no other choice but to trust in it. You're giving me a headache cause you're just resting on that town read logic and I have given you, and literally hasn't contributed anything of substance other than your vote (exaggerated, but still). This is not the spirit of a mafia game and this is also why this game is crumbling and dying. Get your butt up shad and fulfill your duty to the motherland. |
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Chione said: Some of those were posted in real time when people were online I don't know why they have been overlooked. Then I am to go back and find the links for everyone. Seems like I am doing all the work. It would help if you read the entire post and discussed what you didn't agree with I am still waiting on that with Rinto case. You said I was biased so you stopped reading (showing your own bias). So if you feel it was biased break down what you didn't like. Maybe you change my mind and we start a Rinto train instead?@logic340 Well, it is kind of hard to respond to all or any of your posts if there's so many of them. Not saying that posting a lot is bad, but it purely depends on the game whether it is good or not and here... it is kind of hard to concentrate on so many things at once, especially when one gets pinged 5 times at once. |
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logic340 said: Chione said: Some of those were posted in real time when people were online I don't know why they have been overlooked. Then I am to go back and find the links for everyone. Seems like I am doing all the work. It would help if you read the entire post and discussed what you didn't agree with I am still waiting on that with Rinto case. You said I was biased so you stopped reading (showing your own bias). So if you feel it was biased break down what you didn't like. Maybe you change my mind and we start a Rinto train instead?@logic340 Well, it is kind of hard to respond to all or any of your posts if there's so many of them. Not saying that posting a lot is bad, but it purely depends on the game whether it is good or not and here... it is kind of hard to concentrate on so many things at once, especially when one gets pinged 5 times at once. Welp, you ninjaed me. |
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logic340 said: A big part of me feels that there are two scum left. If this turns out to be true then I think that the scum team is Chione and Karote. New case against Karote: #362 - Votes for KOta give no reasoning. Other players are talking about inactive players at this time so KOta was part of the conversation before this Vote was case without reason. Also this is the first of the Votes for KOta on D1. I gave my reasoning in later posts. #363 - Denja says that Karote is part of togs/logic/karote scum team Okay? #366 - "How did you know? *falls on knees" This response has always rubbed me wrong, what is the need if Karote really is town? I was being sarcastic, it's just a fluff post. #367 - This is from Gruffin's read list "Karote - Has had questionable actions/answers, but I can see both town and scum motivation from them. I liked their answers to my questions, will set aside for now." What about it? #399 - This is from Kit's read list "Seem scum, actions seem anti-town/doesn't seem to do much in favor of town: Karote" I dunno why you are mentioning this, are you trying to say that if I am scum, I killed all those who suspected me? Please. They were all active players and scum is inactive, the reason they killed Denja and not you because they want you to push my lynch. xDD #410 - Ruu's reasons for suspecting Karote "- I liked that he started a train because I believe trains helps us get pass RVS. good - (Intentionally? >_>) Misinterpreted Phraze post about our votes (#63) red flag - Asked Gruffin if she wants to start a countertrain (#67) weird - imo he didn't respond to Logic's question (#74). red flag - His response to Kit in #110 and #111 is another red flag Seriously Karote? -_- - He unvoted. Why? I usually change my vote or unvote and vote for someone different a few posts later. He tied the votes by doing that, weird move. red flag - votes for Kota without explanation. I at least say "explanation coming soon" or something xDD" 1. Fair enough but I can see town and scum motives behind this one. Scum starting early train to have it fall apart, as Shinichi said RVS train could last until EoD or it could put undue focus on DenjaX. I killed trains that had been on Scum so I can see the town mind behind forming trains early. Neutral on this. 2. This one is blatantly clear. They changed what Phraze had said then tried to make it seem like it was me and Kit who was having trouble understanding. One more thing that bothers me about this is that Chione actually defended Karote over this point. Ruu/Kit/logic all saw that Karote completely changed the meaning of what Phraze said yet Chione doesn't make mention of it and even says that Karote's way of thinking is easy to follow. This shouldn't be the case here since it was either a frame job by Karote or a misunderstand; either of which does/did make it hard to follow Karote's reasoning All this misunderstanding is really stupid, I didn't change her meaning, I misunderstood it. Wasn't it obvious? Why would I as scum intentionally change someone words and expect to get away from it????? 3. I actually liked this, but can see both scum and town motive behind it. Asking Gruffin to start a counter train is fine because it gets two people in the lead causing reaction and discussion, I can also see this from the view that Kit laid out which is that Karote wanted Gruffin to start a counter train to hide their own scummyness. I think I lean more towards what kit was thinking but I will remain neutral on this one. 4. Shit even Ruu noticed early that Karote was ignoring my questions. 5. #110 we all kow what happened here. 111 This was a very weak defense of themselves from Kit who is using sound arguments. 6. The unvote didn't stand out to me because Gruffin and I ddi the same thing around the same time but now that I think about it with Gruffina and myself being town and doing it that may have provided some good cover for Karote to unvote and look for a better target as well (scum mindset). The other option is they were doing what Gruffin and I were doing (town mindset). What? I explained before why I unvoted. 7. IDK about the "explanation coming soon" part from Ruu but it has rubbed me the wrong way that Karote cast this vote without giving a reason. I can see more of a scum mindset behind this one. Now before you all start saying but DenjaX does the same thing -I can confirm from my PoV that DenjaX is Town so they get leeway here -Karote's explanation for the vote comes much later > Denja does it, he's okay because confirmed. > I do it, it's suspicious as hell. #504 - my read list "Looking Spy -shad-, Tingle, and Karote" #508 - Chione says "I'm 86% convinced that Gruffin is town, little doubts came up when he swayed from his KOtA vote and went for Karote instead. Just after he said that we should use our votes to poke peeps" I see this as a soft defense of Karote. Before this Chione had said Karote is being Karote but never told us if that means Karote is Town or Scum?? Here Chi says they read Gruffin as town except for the move off KOta to Karote...this feels weird why/how does Chione know Karote's alignment to feel one way or the other here? #508 - More from Chione on Karote "I still think that people are still too caught up with Karote's playstyle. Maybe you should focus on his votes instead, they're way more interesting to look at" I have to disagree here. Chione has made many arguments about playstyle but this time I completely disagree. What Kit, Gruffin, Ruu and I picked up on were not playstyle but actual behaviors. (if someone disagrees please make it know) Okay #508 - More from Chione "Phraze says KOtA and Karote could be possible scum and votes for KOtA, sounds like he's just hanging himself onto the train." This feels like discrediting Phraze in an attempt to make us not think about the players being voted. I view this as a soft defense of Karote on Chione's part #508 - More from Chione "Vadim: KOtA @logic340 join me?" I had just put out a reads list 4 posts prior saying I though KOta was Town and Karote was scum why would I vote KOta over Karote?? (I view this as more defense of Karote). #692 - This is from Gruffin's read list "Karote: I’m having a hard time reading him still. I can see town and scum motivations in every post. He did say something about doing better once there’s lynches/NKs, so we’ll see." I have to agree with what Kit said about Karote, I can honestly say that at that point and as the game has continued on I ask myself what has Karote done that I can say is in favor of town? The answer I come up with is nothing...nothing much anyway. I durely don't view Karote the same way that Chione does. If someone can point out something Townie about Karote I would surely like to see it. The two townies I trusted the most early died while suspecting Karote. I can honestly say that this was not used as a frame job to make Karote look guilty by scum as Karote went completely unquestioned on D2. N2 Gruffin was focused on KOta while I did my case against Karote so while Gruffin was still suspicious of Karote it seems they were more focused on KOta (Possible Frame Job). Chione has come to Karote's defense multiple times on D1 which has lead me to believe that they could be a team. Karote was leading the vote, Chione was the first to talk about KOta (while discussing inactive players) but votes tingle instead. Karote moves to KOta for no specified reason. Chione's jump from tingle to KOta is easily explained as Tingle is not active so no point in keeping my vote there. You're overanalysing now. If I wanted to be cleared out from suspicious, you would be the first person I would kill because you never trusted me, did you? And you're the most active in the game. ^Hypothetically speaking if I was scum before you make a case on me again. Might as well Penta, Shinichi be scum too since they defended me kind of. I wonder if you realise they are just trying to tell you that I play like this, I seem anti-town sure but I don't really care if people see me as town as long I catch scum. So my behaviour tends to be seen aggressive or something. To be honest, we could be arguing about theories all day long and in the end, it all depends on you what you choose to believe in. |
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☭ Vadim's Final List D1 ☭ [4] Karote ✖ Ruu, Gruffin, KOtA, DenjaX [4] KOtA ✖ Karote, Chione, Kit, Rinto-kun [2] -shad- ✖ callmeLuna, Phraze [1] Chione ✖ Shinichi-Kun [1] Gruffin ✖ -shad- [1] Tingle ✖ logic340 Neglect of Duty || Tingle, PentaFlare, Togs Mod Notes Vadim said phase is 48 hours. Suspicion History ☭ Vadim's Final List D2 ☭ [5] Phraze ✖ Togs, DenjaX, Gruffin, logic340, Chione [4] -shad- ✖ Karote, PentaFlare, Phraze, LucianRoy [1] Togs ✖ -shad- [1] Karote ✖ Rinto-kun Neglect of Duty || Ruu, Sodalicious_, KOtA, callmeLuna Mod Notes - Suspicion History ☭ Vadim's Final List D3 ☭ [4] PentaFlare ✖ Rinto-kun, DenjaX, logic340, -shad-, Chione [3] KOtA ✖ LucianRoy, Karote, PentaFlare [1] Karote ✖ KOtA Neglect of Duty || Togs, Sodalicious_ Mod Notes - Suspicion History |
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Chione said: Do you associate headache=scummy read? Sorry, but it's not. I only town read you because of the town block Denja has established, and by now I have no other choice but to trust in it. You're giving me a headache cause you're just resting on that town read logic and I have given you, and literally hasn't contributed anything of substance other than your vote (exaggerated, but still). This is not the spirit of a mafia game and this is also why this game is crumbling and dying. Get your butt up shad and fulfill your duty to the motherland. No i dont assiociate headache - scummy read, but more like i want to know why im giving you a headache. Like i said in previous days i was busy with my presentation so i werent really active that i know. You're giving me a headache cause you're just resting on that town read logic and I have given you, and literally hasn't contributed anything of substance other than your vote (exaggerated, but still). This is not the spirit of a mafia game and this is also why this game is crumbling and dying. Now this is abit offensive, its not like im the most inactive out of the lot where everyone is doing the same thing. At least I post when there are so many that has not been posting. If you cant find the hints im getting at, then im sorry but logic/denja/gruffin knows about it. |
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logic340 said: @Chione, @Karote, @KOtA, @Togs, @Rinto-kun, and @LucianRoy have you guys read all the flavor text that go along with the phase changes? Do either of you see anything there that relates to your private message? @-shad- is cleared for me because they used their Private Message to their advantage. This is what DenjaX figured out there is a way to use it to segregate the scum from the town. So now I am being as straight forward as I can without giving it away. If none of you can figure this out (with me being so blatant this time) then I do not think I will be able to have trust in you. It's a mechanics thing I know but at this point what do I have when you wont give analysis?? Can you link me to that message? I feel desperate with the current activity... [CITIZENS! LINKED! WILL NEVER FAIL!] I hope this clears any suspicion on me. I didn't think I'd need to touch such under-handed tactics, but those German spies are a real pain in the ass... |
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-shad- said: Chione said: Do you associate headache=scummy read? Sorry, but it's not. I only town read you because of the town block Denja has established, and by now I have no other choice but to trust in it. You're giving me a headache cause you're just resting on that town read logic and I have given you, and literally hasn't contributed anything of substance other than your vote (exaggerated, but still). This is not the spirit of a mafia game and this is also why this game is crumbling and dying. Get your butt up shad and fulfill your duty to the motherland. No i dont assiociate headache - scummy read, but more like i want to know why im giving you a headache. Like i said in previous days i was busy with my presentation so i werent really active that i know. You're giving me a headache cause you're just resting on that town read logic and I have given you, and literally hasn't contributed anything of substance other than your vote (exaggerated, but still). This is not the spirit of a mafia game and this is also why this game is crumbling and dying. Now this is abit offensive, its not like im the most inactive out of the lot where everyone is doing the same thing. At least I post when there are so many that has not been posting. If you cant find the hints im getting at, then im sorry but logic/denja/gruffin knows about it. I know that you don't have a lot of time, but it's still frustrating. Sorry for lashing out to you, you're not at fault, but it just doesn't help. idk. If you're already here, care to give us your top 3 scum reads? |
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Karote said: Not every point on there is a point against you and I have stated that multiple times this game. They are their for reference and so that others can go back and look for themselves. Rather than cherry pick post like the majority of you have been doing I take everything and look at it. DenjaX said you were part of the scum team your response seems like scum trying to seem like it doesn't bother them instead of just moving along or actually asking him why he suspected you. You did it twice and I highlighted it in the bottom of the case. Your behavior is not indicative of what I would expect someone pro town to be. You disappeared after being saved and have added little in the way of your own thoughts outside of discouraging people's ideas. You tell us how to use our but you have rarely used your vote in the same manner. You say things KOta has done look scummy while you do the same things yourself. IDK how to read you if you are town then it would seem to me the majority of us have not found your play beneficial or helpful. At leas I am trying to come up with arguments it's more than I can say for the rest of you as I still don't see the reads lists I asked for hours ago.logic340 said: A big part of me feels that there are two scum left. If this turns out to be true then I think that the scum team is Chione and Karote. New case against Karote: #362 - Votes for KOta give no reasoning. Other players are talking about inactive players at this time so KOta was part of the conversation before this Vote was case without reason. Also this is the first of the Votes for KOta on D1. I gave my reasoning in later posts. #363 - Denja says that Karote is part of togs/logic/karote scum team Okay? #366 - "How did you know? *falls on knees" This response has always rubbed me wrong, what is the need if Karote really is town? I was being sarcastic, it's just a fluff post. #367 - This is from Gruffin's read list "Karote - Has had questionable actions/answers, but I can see both town and scum motivation from them. I liked their answers to my questions, will set aside for now." What about it? #399 - This is from Kit's read list "Seem scum, actions seem anti-town/doesn't seem to do much in favor of town: Karote" I dunno why you are mentioning this, are you trying to say that if I am scum, I killed all those who suspected me? Please. They were all active players and scum is inactive, the reason they killed Denja and not you because they want you to push my lynch. xDD #410 - Ruu's reasons for suspecting Karote "- I liked that he started a train because I believe trains helps us get pass RVS. good - (Intentionally? >_>) Misinterpreted Phraze post about our votes (#63) red flag - Asked Gruffin if she wants to start a countertrain (#67) weird - imo he didn't respond to Logic's question (#74). red flag - His response to Kit in #110 and #111 is another red flag Seriously Karote? -_- - He unvoted. Why? I usually change my vote or unvote and vote for someone different a few posts later. He tied the votes by doing that, weird move. red flag - votes for Kota without explanation. I at least say "explanation coming soon" or something xDD" 1. Fair enough but I can see town and scum motives behind this one. Scum starting early train to have it fall apart, as Shinichi said RVS train could last until EoD or it could put undue focus on DenjaX. I killed trains that had been on Scum so I can see the town mind behind forming trains early. Neutral on this. 2. This one is blatantly clear. They changed what Phraze had said then tried to make it seem like it was me and Kit who was having trouble understanding. One more thing that bothers me about this is that Chione actually defended Karote over this point. Ruu/Kit/logic all saw that Karote completely changed the meaning of what Phraze said yet Chione doesn't make mention of it and even says that Karote's way of thinking is easy to follow. This shouldn't be the case here since it was either a frame job by Karote or a misunderstand; either of which does/did make it hard to follow Karote's reasoning All this misunderstanding is really stupid, I didn't change her meaning, I misunderstood it. Wasn't it obvious? Why would I as scum intentionally change someone words and expect to get away from it????? 3. I actually liked this, but can see both scum and town motive behind it. Asking Gruffin to start a counter train is fine because it gets two people in the lead causing reaction and discussion, I can also see this from the view that Kit laid out which is that Karote wanted Gruffin to start a counter train to hide their own scummyness. I think I lean more towards what kit was thinking but I will remain neutral on this one. 4. Shit even Ruu noticed early that Karote was ignoring my questions. 5. #110 we all kow what happened here. 111 This was a very weak defense of themselves from Kit who is using sound arguments. 6. The unvote didn't stand out to me because Gruffin and I ddi the same thing around the same time but now that I think about it with Gruffina and myself being town and doing it that may have provided some good cover for Karote to unvote and look for a better target as well (scum mindset). The other option is they were doing what Gruffin and I were doing (town mindset). What? I explained before why I unvoted. 7. IDK about the "explanation coming soon" part from Ruu but it has rubbed me the wrong way that Karote cast this vote without giving a reason. I can see more of a scum mindset behind this one. Now before you all start saying but DenjaX does the same thing -I can confirm from my PoV that DenjaX is Town so they get leeway here -Karote's explanation for the vote comes much later > Denja does it, he's okay because confirmed. > I do it, it's suspicious as hell. #504 - my read list "Looking Spy -shad-, Tingle, and Karote" #508 - Chione says "I'm 86% convinced that Gruffin is town, little doubts came up when he swayed from his KOtA vote and went for Karote instead. Just after he said that we should use our votes to poke peeps" I see this as a soft defense of Karote. Before this Chione had said Karote is being Karote but never told us if that means Karote is Town or Scum?? Here Chi says they read Gruffin as town except for the move off KOta to Karote...this feels weird why/how does Chione know Karote's alignment to feel one way or the other here? #508 - More from Chione on Karote "I still think that people are still too caught up with Karote's playstyle. Maybe you should focus on his votes instead, they're way more interesting to look at" I have to disagree here. Chione has made many arguments about playstyle but this time I completely disagree. What Kit, Gruffin, Ruu and I picked up on were not playstyle but actual behaviors. (if someone disagrees please make it know) Okay #508 - More from Chione "Phraze says KOtA and Karote could be possible scum and votes for KOtA, sounds like he's just hanging himself onto the train." This feels like discrediting Phraze in an attempt to make us not think about the players being voted. I view this as a soft defense of Karote on Chione's part #508 - More from Chione "Vadim: KOtA @logic340 join me?" I had just put out a reads list 4 posts prior saying I though KOta was Town and Karote was scum why would I vote KOta over Karote?? (I view this as more defense of Karote). #692 - This is from Gruffin's read list "Karote: I’m having a hard time reading him still. I can see town and scum motivations in every post. He did say something about doing better once there’s lynches/NKs, so we’ll see." I have to agree with what Kit said about Karote, I can honestly say that at that point and as the game has continued on I ask myself what has Karote done that I can say is in favor of town? The answer I come up with is nothing...nothing much anyway. I durely don't view Karote the same way that Chione does. If someone can point out something Townie about Karote I would surely like to see it. The two townies I trusted the most early died while suspecting Karote. I can honestly say that this was not used as a frame job to make Karote look guilty by scum as Karote went completely unquestioned on D2. N2 Gruffin was focused on KOta while I did my case against Karote so while Gruffin was still suspicious of Karote it seems they were more focused on KOta (Possible Frame Job). Chione has come to Karote's defense multiple times on D1 which has lead me to believe that they could be a team. Karote was leading the vote, Chione was the first to talk about KOta (while discussing inactive players) but votes tingle instead. Karote moves to KOta for no specified reason. Chione's jump from tingle to KOta is easily explained as Tingle is not active so no point in keeping my vote there. You're overanalysing now. If I wanted to be cleared out from suspicious, you would be the first person I would kill because you never trusted me, did you? And you're the most active in the game. ^Hypothetically speaking if I was scum before you make a case on me again. Might as well Penta, Shinichi be scum too since they defended me kind of. I wonder if you realise they are just trying to tell you that I play like this, I seem anti-town sure but I don't really care if people see me as town as long I catch scum. So my behaviour tends to be seen aggressive or something. To be honest, we could be arguing about theories all day long and in the end, it all depends on you what you choose to believe in. |
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| @Karote "I wonder if you realise they are just trying to tell you that I play like this, I seem anti-town sure but I don't really care if people see me as town as long I catch scum. So my behaviour tends to be seen aggressive or something." In a game setup like this anti-town is not beneficial to town. Maybe in a game with power roles that works but this game if you really are town then your play style is a major reason we are sunk. Instead of town coming together to lynch scum you have served to spread us father apart. Rather than read between the lines to figure out who you could trust you have tried to catch scum without aiding you comrades. Mafia cannot be played by yourself you have to form trust somehow, some of us did that and of them I am the last man standing. You behavior is contradictory to what you post which makes you a hypocrite by definition this is not me attacking you the player but your play as it doesn't match what you yourself expect from people. You say they are scummy while doing the same exact thing yourself hypocrisy. |
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| @LucianRoy did you ever look at the question that Denja asked me? My answers came from my PM. He realized I was town by my answers and responded that he didn't believe me and would lynch me. I told him do as you must. When then next day started and he didn't try to lynch me I knew that we were both town based on behavior. This is what I call a behavioral read and why I could understand the behavior behind their posts. You guys couldn't pick up on the subtle clues that we left it makes you looks scummy because there is information in the PM that is privileged to town alone. We can share that information to gain trust in one another. Only a few of us picked up on that early, which is why I was so shocked that Penta would say I read things at face value. They would never solve the game that way, I think a lot of what you guys are calling scummy behaviore is taking things at face value. while I am going beyond what is being said looking at why it is being said and what people do in response to what they have said. this is how I determine behavior. This is how I could read Denja as town when so many were still not sure what to think. |
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