| I'm off to bed. Bye guys! Don't lynch Kyle!! |
| God, that was a clusterfuck to get though, putting this down for my own sanity's sake as far as what the duo claims are. Please correct me if I'm wrong: Masonizer: osieorb Mason: Shin Neighborizer: riku Neighbor: Ruu Currently I'm of the thought that both town-alligned masons and town-alligned neighbors is absurd and that at least one person here is lying. Yes, I'd like to entertain the idea that all four are town, but if we go after someone like Karote or ironace, and maf kills Pokeit, then I'm worried we're gonna be talking in these circles all over again on Day 3. From a logical game perspective, we've got to take care of this today if we want to have a chance of winning. Personally, I feel more comfortable with a riku lynch than a osi or Shin lynch. Just general scumminess makes me lean that way, though I've never played with riku and they seem to insist that this behavior is normal. And even outside of this, it really comes down to this: [quote=osieorb18 message=53863510] Ruu said: The later just seems so convoluted for scum. I know I'm quoting from someone of that party, but even if I word it as negatively as possible, it still seems less likely. Because, if we lynch riku, and he flips town, we're going to immediately suspect the two. And they're tying themselves to each other, so it becomes an easy town win. It's a weird spot to be in, because, yeah, I was reading Shin and logic as the strongest scum leans at the beginning of the day...Why do you believe a less simple, less rational situation? Seriously. Which is simpler, and inherently more likely? [*] Scum Neighbourizer, claimed Miller to throw off the scent. Has behaved mostly scummy. [*] Scum Roleblocker, claimed Mason, which someone else has to confirm, to throw off the scent. Has behaved a mix of townie and scummy. |
Ruu said: Well, no, I do agree with this actually lol.RE1031 said: I think the towniest thing about you is your doctor claim currently, but I'm a little distrustful of using claims to clear people. I'm just not seeing town motivation behind your decision in claiming it, and I'm still skeptical of your riku read. I'm also behaviorally reading osie as town, so I don't want to move onto him. Why do you town read riku, now knowing that scum neighborizers can exist? His behaviour. At first I thought he was jester because he was super annoying with the haikus but then I felt that he was just being scummy because he had nothing to hid. Claiming Miller and being that annoying is like begging to get lynch. I feel like he doesn't like his Miller role and he is taking it on us. I hope this makes sense. I'm not good at explaining how my brain works lol I claimed because my role is now useless (after N2) so I had nothing to fear. Mafia can try to kill me ofc (if there is a strongman) but it would be a waste because after N2 I'm just a vanilla townie so they have nothing to be worried about. This still feels weird to me... I just can't imagine claiming my role to a neighborizer, like ever >_>I get that you are reading osie as town now but what do you think of logic? We can't just forget about him just because he got replaced. His posts are useful too. Do you read logic as town also? Because to me he screams scum!logic. Honestly, I'm not fond of this kind of reasoning to determine whether logic/osie lied about masoning Shinichi but I don't think it's impossible for logic to have chosen him. They've played a lot together before, and I think Shinichi is one of the harder players to figure out, so he's not a bad choice if he played it as a cop check as well.Out of all the people logic would have pick for mason (if thay is true) Chad wouldn't be his first choice imo. I know this is kind of meta but I'm trying to use all the tools I've got. logic was weird, but he also chose to replace out, which is weird for logic, scum or town. I guess if not you, then I'd go for one of Scarlet, Denja, or ironace. |
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| Vote; riku Yep. I gotta lock in over here for now or I'm just gonna drive myself crazy overthinking all this. Also, loved reading the strangely long and pointless fight between osie and riku. Top notch bickering |
| your pregame bull. Distasteful modgaming where none of us could really confirm this happening. Hence, taking that with a grain of salt. |
| I wonder if Pokeit has gone missing as a weird way to discourage maf from killing him? Like, if he's not as good of an asset to town as he should be, maybe theyll overlook him, lol. Cause he's certainly not done anything useful today. Oh well, I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say he's busy IRL. Besides, nothing to really get worked up over since we've got a ton of activity in these last 24 hours. |
riku said: idk what to make of you. I play alot of games where im very anti-town and yet still contribute to help town win. What you are doing is none of that at all. You are not countering people's argument and just refute them without a counter. We are not talking to a wall here.DenjaX said: so you just confirmed me town? nope, but scum can be convinced by scum. oh wow. now im just angry at osie. lol The only reason why im slightly leaning you as town is because you came forward even though you werent really on hot seat. That itself is protown in my book especially when you brought up something to the table to spark the thread. I like the progress it brings. For me, your role makes sense. I just loathe the way you approach it. This issue will resolve in due time. I shouldn't condemn you due to tarnishing the names to those who bring glory to town despite being scummy. Vote: @ironace |
DenjaX said: idk what to make of you. I play alot of games where im very anti-town and yet still contribute to help town win. What you are doing is none of that at all. You are not countering people's argument and just refute them without a counter. We are not talking to a wall here. The only reason why im slightly leaning you as town is because you came forward even though you werent really on hot seat. That itself is protown in my book especially when you brought up something to the table to spark the thread. I like the progress it brings. For me, your role makes sense. I just loathe the way you approach it. This issue will resolve in due time. I shouldn't condemn you due to tarnishing the names to those who bring glory to town despite being scummy. Vote: @ironace You cant judge how i play based on how you play.... |
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osieorb18 said: by looking at my role, riku's role is actually probable.Ruu said: The thing is: if we lynch riku and then vig'd osie/shin it won't work because shin is a rb so... a waste shot is no good. Wait, so you believe that Shin is a roleblocker but not a mason? And you believe that Riku is a Miller Neighbourizer? What the heck? Masons however, cannot just be masons. I hope you guys have something too. Looking forward on what you guys can do. |
| I like #1857 from Denja. Looks like he's serious now. I do kind of want to move my vote to ironace. But I have not bothered to reread him yet. Oh well. I understand the mindset behind wanting to lynch one of osie/Shinichi/riku, and while I like Osie for town, Shinichi's defense prior to the full claim (both masons out in the open) still rubs me the wrong way. I don't think I'll be able to wake up in time for phase change. So I hope this isn't a completely pointless vote. vote: ironace (hopefully I'll wake up...) |
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Ruu said: what makes you decide that it is imbalanced?RE1031 said: I just don't get why you'd want him to be vigged if you're town reading him? Your reads and lynch choices seem to be a lot about "just to make sure." What makes osie/shinichi/riku different from the other players if you "just want to make sure"? Also, why can't they all be town? Because it's not balanced if they are all town. I already talked about this but it would be unbalanced if there were 4 conf townies. One or more has to be scum. Since we don't have a cop (aparently) we can't confirmed the mason story or if riku is in fact town. If we lynch a mason and they are scum we found the mafia. If osie is town then riku is lying and we just vig him and we kill the real scum. |
Ruu said: now that i think about it... logic would have not picked Shinichi.... hmmm... but if what osie claimed is true then logic used ability to verify Shinichi since he seemed to always roll scum. logic would have caught scum right away? How is this even be mechanically possible?RE1031 said: I think the towniest thing about you is your doctor claim currently, but I'm a little distrustful of using claims to clear people. I'm just not seeing town motivation behind your decision in claiming it, and I'm still skeptical of your riku read. I'm also behaviorally reading osie as town, so I don't want to move onto him. Why do you town read riku, now knowing that scum neighborizers can exist? His behaviour. At first I thought he was jester because he was super annoying with the haikus but then I felt that he was just being scummy because he had nothing to hid. Claiming Miller and being that annoying is like begging to get lynch. I feel like he doesn't like his Miller role and he is taking it on us. I hope this makes sense. I'm not good at explaining how my brain works lol I claimed because my role is now useless (after N2) so I had nothing to fear. Mafia can try to kill me ofc (if there is a strongman) but it would be a waste because after N2 I'm just a vanilla townie so they have nothing to be worried about. I get that you are reading osie as town now but what do you think of logic? We can't just forget about him just because he got replaced. His posts are useful too. Do you read logic as town also? Because to me he screams scum!logic. Out of all the people logic would have pick for mason (if thay is true) Chad wouldn't be his first choice imo. I know this is kind of meta but I'm trying to use all the tools I've got. @osieorb18 can you explain pls? Ill attempt to humor this modgaming shenanigans. |
riku said: the way label yourself as one and using it for "strategic" reasons just left a bad taste in my mouth. I admit it is personal and im not the pioneer of scummy gaming. I learned it from others and have role models and uphold the glory it brings. Your claim makes sense for me right now and if you are full of shiet all along, the existence of cop will resolve it. After all, millers dont exist without a cop. xDDDenjaX said: idk what to make of you. I play alot of games where im very anti-town and yet still contribute to help town win. What you are doing is none of that at all. You are not countering people's argument and just refute them without a counter. We are not talking to a wall here. The only reason why im slightly leaning you as town is because you came forward even though you werent really on hot seat. That itself is protown in my book especially when you brought up something to the table to spark the thread. I like the progress it brings. For me, your role makes sense. I just loathe the way you approach it. This issue will resolve in due time. I shouldn't condemn you due to tarnishing the names to those who bring glory to town despite being scummy. Vote: @ironace You cant judge how i play based on how you play.... |
| The early death of 1 mafia and 1 TPR(possible SK) means that town has a lot of breathing room. Too good of a town start i must say. xDD So in case you all want to sort out all masonry/neighbourizer stuff, we could gamble and not get hurt as much and gain more info. Personally, i want to jump to PoE because an early mafia death usually makes scum worried. And i want to capitalize their disadvantage. There is a chance that scum is attempting to keep a small profile to prevent mistakes. The only thing that ticks me off is the no rule flip. It will be annoying if inactives hold the missing link to all these madness. Thats why ill keep pinging them. @ironace |
DenjaX said: Yeah, another reason behind trying to sort out the mason/neighbor shennanigans is that if we mislynch, we at least know what their town role was. If we mislynch ironace today, we're basically giving up that momentum. If I use my shot tonight, we can essentially have a double day and take care of iron or someone else depending on the lynch results.The early death of 1 mafia and 1 TPR(possible SK) means that town has a lot of breathing room. Too good of a town start i must say. xDD So in case you all want to sort out all masonry/neighbourizer stuff, we could gamble and not get hurt as much and gain more info. Personally, i want to jump to PoE because an early mafia death usually makes scum worried. And i want to capitalize their disadvantage. There is a chance that scum is attempting to keep a small profile to prevent mistakes. The only thing that ticks me off is the no rule flip. It will be annoying if inactives hold the missing link to all these madness. Thats why ill keep pinging them. @ironace |
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Ruu said: Okay question for everyone: 1) Who is against a riku lynch? 2) Who is against a Shin or Osie lynch? @abhutrash @Karote @riku @Pokeit @Ruu @ScarletCelestial @ironace @lastwhisper31 @DenjaX @RE1031 I dont mind lynching either of them tbh. But since i have been inactive plus im not in the mood for backreading. I would lynch shin over riku. Even though i feel like he is town, but that is just it. Its nothing more than a feel. I dont thnk riku is lying about the miller claim. But shinichi MAY be doing so since its an effective plan since there are only 2 scum remaining(i think) and saying they are masons may help them. |
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RE1031 said: @Abhutrash @ScarletCelestial @ironace @DenjaX I don't recall your exact reasoning for voting logic, but how does the Mason claim change things for you? I'd like to know exactly why you decided to unvote. I voted logic because i didnt think he had his usual confidence in his tone-when he is town he appears to be mister-know-it-all. But since he requested a replacement, i decided to unvote to let the replacement share his thoughts first. |
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| Ok, so i know i have been inactive again but thats mainly because you guys talk so dam much when im asleep that i loose all motivation to backread fml. also, so you all belive im scum. I honestly dont blame you all. Hell, go ahead and lynch me. Im running aroun in circles here and not helping town in anyway. If i die, maybe you guys will focus on others. However, in case you guys dont lynch me this day, i suggest the vigilante to kill me. That way, my passive ability will help town as well.(if town kills me, that passive will activate) Sorry guys. Im never going to take part in uch a big ass game again. |
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DenjaX said: The early death of 1 mafia and 1 TPR(possible SK) means that town has a lot of breathing room. Too good of a town start i must say. xDD So in case you all want to sort out all masonry/neighbourizer stuff, we could gamble and not get hurt as much and gain more info. Personally, i want to jump to PoE because an early mafia death usually makes scum worried. And i want to capitalize their disadvantage. There is a chance that scum is attempting to keep a small profile to prevent mistakes. The only thing that ticks me off is the no rule flip. It will be annoying if inactives hold the missing link to all these madness. Thats why ill keep pinging them. @ironace ok, what do you want to know-apart from who i think is scum etc as i honestly dont know. If its about my role, i can claim. Mind you i havent backread. And im not willing to. I suggest either lynching me or killing me in night(I prefer this one as i will be of use to town) |
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ironace said: Do you think your passive ability is more important than your life?Ok, so i know i have been inactive again but thats mainly because you guys talk so dam much when im asleep that i loose all motivation to backread fml. also, so you all belive im scum. I honestly dont blame you all. Hell, go ahead and lynch me. Im running aroun in circles here and not helping town in anyway. If i die, maybe you guys will focus on others. However, in case you guys dont lynch me this day, i suggest the vigilante to kill me. That way, my passive ability will help town as well.(if town kills me, that passive will activate) Sorry guys. Im never going to take part in uch a big ass game again. |
Pokeit said: ironace said: Do you think your passive ability is more important than your life?Ok, so i know i have been inactive again but thats mainly because you guys talk so dam much when im asleep that i loose all motivation to backread fml. also, so you all belive im scum. I honestly dont blame you all. Hell, go ahead and lynch me. Im running aroun in circles here and not helping town in anyway. If i die, maybe you guys will focus on others. However, in case you guys dont lynch me this day, i suggest the vigilante to kill me. That way, my passive ability will help town as well.(if town kills me, that passive will activate) Sorry guys. Im never going to take part in uch a big ass game again. Im literally useless right now. Im not helping town in anyway. Infact, im taking the town's attention from real scum,. So yeah, my passive is far more beneficial o town. |
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Pokeit said: @ironace You shouldn't claim until you absolutely need to in order to prevent yourself from a lynch. dont worry, i wont. Even if im lynched.The scum dont need to know anything about my role. |
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| I'll start off by saying I'm on my phone until phase end. Ruu said: Okay question for everyone: 1) Who is against a riku lynch? 2) Who is against a Shin or Osie lynch? 1. I'm ok with a riku lynch. Would be good if someone found contradictions in things he has said. Also any interactions with Yurkin would be interesting to look at again. 2. Personally I believe theres a chance they might be both scum. I don't want to follow this idea until there's less options of people to lynch first though. |
| @Ruu Don't care which of you four gets lynched at this point. I'm starting to think there might be something going on here with the Mason and Miller claims. Riku could be Mafia Neighbouriser who claimed Miller so that any point after claiming he gets lynched Shin and osie would be in the clear for the rest of the game. This is why I should not listen to my paranoia. Sorry @lastwhisper31 I was being more paranoid than usual and I do think there is scum between you and your brother. ALSO: May I mention that Ruu said not to lynch Kyle (I think that's wisp) while she was gone? Possible scum buddies if this goes wrong. However: I feel like this neighbouriser/Mason/Miller thing SERIOUSLY needs to be resolved. Ergo: Vote: riku |
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| [quote=abhutrash message=53864881]God, that was a clusterfuck to get though, putting this down for my own sanity's sake as far as what the duo claims are. Please correct me if I'm wrong: Masonizer: osieorb Mason: Shin Neighborizer: riku Neighbor: Ruu Currently I'm of the thought that both town-alligned masons and town-alligned neighbors is absurd and that at least one person here is lying. Yes, I'd like to entertain the idea that all four are town, but if we go after someone like Karote or ironace, and maf kills Pokeit, then I'm worried we're gonna be talking in these circles all over again on Day 3. From a logical game perspective, we've got to take care of this today if we want to have a chance of winning. Personally, I feel more comfortable with a riku lynch than a osi or Shin lynch. Just general scumminess makes me lean that way, though I've never played with riku and they seem to insist that this behavior is normal. And even outside of this, it really comes down to this: osieorb18 said: Ruu said: The later just seems so convoluted for scum. I know I'm quoting from someone of that party, but even if I word it as negatively as possible, it still seems less likely. Because, if we lynch riku, and he flips town, we're going to immediately suspect the two. And they're tying themselves to each other, so it becomes an easy town win. It's a weird spot to be in, because, yeah, I was reading Shin and logic as the strongest scum leans at the beginning of the day...Why do you believe a less simple, less rational situation? Seriously. Which is simpler, and inherently more likely? [*] Scum Neighbourizer, claimed Miller to throw off the scent. Has behaved mostly scummy. [*] Scum Roleblocker, claimed Mason, which someone else has to confirm, to throw off the scent. Has behaved a mix of townie and scummy. it is hard to believe both are town aligned but then again I don't believe they re that strong of a role that town have both that means it's too strong. However, considering that 1 can be scum and the other town still seems more likely. I mean I have played with riku before so ik his behavior is normal but doesn't mean he's town because of that. nothing that can be done about that it's more likely due to roles that riku is scum, I doubt the flip will be the latter. |
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RE1031 said: Ruu said: Well, no, I do agree with this actually lol.His behaviour. At first I thought he was jester because he was super annoying with the haikus but then I felt that he was just being scummy because he had nothing to hid. Claiming Miller and being that annoying is like begging to get lynch. I feel like he doesn't like his Miller role and he is taking it on us. I hope this makes sense. I'm not good at explaining how my brain works lol I claimed because my role is now useless (after N2) so I had nothing to fear. Mafia can try to kill me ofc (if there is a strongman) but it would be a waste because after N2 I'm just a vanilla townie so they have nothing to be worried about. This still feels weird to me... I just can't imagine claiming my role to a neighborizer, like ever >_>I get that you are reading osie as town now but what do you think of logic? We can't just forget about him just because he got replaced. His posts are useful too. Do you read logic as town also? Because to me he screams scum!logic. Honestly, I'm not fond of this kind of reasoning to determine whether logic/osie lied about masoning Shinichi but I don't think it's impossible for logic to have chosen him. They've played a lot together before, and I think Shinichi is one of the harder players to figure out, so he's not a bad choice if he played it as a cop check as well.Out of all the people logic would have pick for mason (if thay is true) Chad wouldn't be his first choice imo. I know this is kind of meta but I'm trying to use all the tools I've got. logic was weird, but he also chose to replace out, which is weird for logic, scum or town. I guess if not you, then I'd go for one of Scarlet, Denja, or ironace. being his firs5 game back I don't find it odd at all that he chose me plus the fact that we get along so well does help quite a lot. I don't find the replace out weird since the chat was dead for us and on top of that his work schedule is different. I don't believe he choose me to read me cause I think if anyone can read me it's him, it's just he realized we could work together well. it's sad that he was to busy to put effort into the game. |
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DenjaX said: your pregame bull. Distasteful modgaming where none of us could really confirm this happening. Hence, taking that with a grain of salt. not a fan of you talking about mod gaming or any type of gaming that requires manipulation, when ur one of those who does it like every game. How could u confirm the latter anyways it's only alignment real? |
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abhutrash said: I wonder if Pokeit has gone missing as a weird way to discourage maf from killing him? Like, if he's not as good of an asset to town as he should be, maybe theyll overlook him, lol. Cause he's certainly not done anything useful today. Oh well, I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say he's busy IRL. Besides, nothing to really get worked up over since we've got a ton of activity in these last 24 hours. he's a double voter there is no way he's living to the end game unless he scum in that situation. |
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riku said: DenjaX said: idk what to make of you. I play alot of games where im very anti-town and yet still contribute to help town win. What you are doing is none of that at all. You are not countering people's argument and just refute them without a counter. We are not talking to a wall here. The only reason why im slightly leaning you as town is because you came forward even though you werent really on hot seat. That itself is protown in my book especially when you brought up something to the table to spark the thread. I like the progress it brings. For me, your role makes sense. I just loathe the way you approach it. This issue will resolve in due time. I shouldn't condemn you due to tarnishing the names to those who bring glory to town despite being scummy. Vote: @ironace You cant judge how i play based on how you play.... that's not the point he's making, if your playing anti town but still refuse to help town how are the others suppose to see it?. |
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RE1031 said: I like #1857 from Denja. Looks like he's serious now. I do kind of want to move my vote to ironace. But I have not bothered to reread him yet. Oh well. I understand the mindset behind wanting to lynch one of osie/Shinichi/riku, and while I like Osie for town, Shinichi's defense prior to the full claim (both masons out in the open) still rubs me the wrong way. I don't think I'll be able to wake up in time for phase change. So I hope this isn't a completely pointless vote. vote: ironace (hopefully I'll wake up...) still feel like the better situation is solving the mason/neighbors deal but I can't really disagree with this lynch, just that it seems like s poor choice in our current situstion. |
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DenjaX said: Ruu said: now that i think about it... logic would have not picked Shinichi.... hmmm... but if what osie claimed is true then logic used ability to verify Shinichi since he seemed to always roll scum. logic would have caught scum right away? How is this even be mechanically possible?His behaviour. At first I thought he was jester because he was super annoying with the haikus but then I felt that he was just being scummy because he had nothing to hid. Claiming Miller and being that annoying is like begging to get lynch. I feel like he doesn't like his Miller role and he is taking it on us. I hope this makes sense. I'm not good at explaining how my brain works lol I claimed because my role is now useless (after N2) so I had nothing to fear. Mafia can try to kill me ofc (if there is a strongman) but it would be a waste because after N2 I'm just a vanilla townie so they have nothing to be worried about. I get that you are reading osie as town now but what do you think of logic? We can't just forget about him just because he got replaced. His posts are useful too. Do you read logic as town also? Because to me he screams scum!logic. Out of all the people logic would have pick for mason (if thay is true) Chad wouldn't be his first choice imo. I know this is kind of meta but I'm trying to use all the tools I've got. @osieorb18 can you explain pls? Ill attempt to humor this modgaming shenanigans. explain if hypothetically I am scum how would the town masonizer have caught me? |
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ironace said: claim if you are just going tobe apathetic. DenjaX said: The early death of 1 mafia and 1 TPR(possible SK) means that town has a lot of breathing room. Too good of a town start i must say. xDD So in case you all want to sort out all masonry/neighbourizer stuff, we could gamble and not get hurt as much and gain more info. Personally, i want to jump to PoE because an early mafia death usually makes scum worried. And i want to capitalize their disadvantage. There is a chance that scum is attempting to keep a small profile to prevent mistakes. The only thing that ticks me off is the no rule flip. It will be annoying if inactives hold the missing link to all these madness. Thats why ill keep pinging them. @ironace ok, what do you want to know-apart from who i think is scum etc as i honestly dont know. If its about my role, i can claim. Mind you i havent backread. And im not willing to. I suggest either lynching me or killing me in night(I prefer this one as i will be of use to town) |
ironace said: Ruu said: Okay question for everyone: 1) Who is against a riku lynch? 2) Who is against a Shin or Osie lynch? @abhutrash @Karote @riku @Pokeit @Ruu @ScarletCelestial @ironace @lastwhisper31 @DenjaX @RE1031 I dont mind lynching either of them tbh. But since i have been inactive plus im not in the mood for backreading. I would lynch shin over riku. Even though i feel like he is town, but that is just it. Its nothing more than a feel. I dont thnk riku is lying about the miller claim. But shinichi MAY be doing so since its an effective plan since there are only 2 scum remaining(i think) and saying they are masons may help them. u will lynch me first even tho u think I am town sound logic right ther3 lol |
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ironace said: Pokeit said: Do you think your passive ability is more important than your life? Im literally useless right now. Im not helping town in anyway. Infact, im taking the town's attention from real scum,. So yeah, my passive is far more beneficial o town. @ironace Do you not have a helpful active as well? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: If you, osie, and riku are town, who do you go after? I'm down to ironace/Scarlet (though admittedly a little flexible here).RE1031 said: I like #1857 from Denja. Looks like he's serious now. I do kind of want to move my vote to ironace. But I have not bothered to reread him yet. Oh well. I understand the mindset behind wanting to lynch one of osie/Shinichi/riku, and while I like Osie for town, Shinichi's defense prior to the full claim (both masons out in the open) still rubs me the wrong way. I don't think I'll be able to wake up in time for phase change. So I hope this isn't a completely pointless vote. vote: ironace (hopefully I'll wake up...) still feel like the better situation is solving the mason/neighbors deal but I can't really disagree with this lynch, just that it seems like s poor choice in our current situstion. |
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ScarletCelestial said: @Ruu Don't care which of you four gets lynched at this point. I'm starting to think there might be something going on here with the Mason and Miller claims. Riku could be Mafia Neighbouriser who claimed Miller so that any point after claiming he gets lynched Shin and osie would be in the clear for the rest of the game. This is why I should not listen to my paranoia. Sorry @lastwhisper31 I was being more paranoid than usual and I do think there is scum between you and your brother. ALSO: May I mention that Ruu said not to lynch Kyle (I think that's wisp) while she was gone? Possible scum buddies if this goes wrong. However: I feel like this neighbouriser/Mason/Miller thing SERIOUSLY needs to be resolved. Ergo: Vote: riku that interaction ruu had did strike me as odd because idk why she trust last over riku st this point when before she was saying he's confirmed town. She should been saying that for riku. Miller is the safest claim as mafia ever if done right and he has done it right so idk what to believe at this point. |
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ScarletCelestial said: I've never seen scum buddies defend each other in this manner. It just doesn't happen, especially if last has a chance of being lynched and Ruu won't be around to change that.ALSO: May I mention that Ruu said not to lynch Kyle (I think that's wisp) while she was gone? Possible scum buddies if this goes wrong. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE1031 said: ScarletCelestial said: I've never seen scum buddies defend each other in this manner. It just doesn't happen, especially if last has a chance of being lynched and Ruu won't be around to change that.ALSO: May I mention that Ruu said not to lynch Kyle (I think that's wisp) while she was gone? Possible scum buddies if this goes wrong. ruu is an on the moment player at times her not being around during the vote count can explain why she mentioned that. |
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Not sure what there is to explain. I mean, learning the alignment of 1 player at the beginning is perfectly legit, and besides, here's a paraphrased full role claim: Pregame Masonizer - If targets non-scum, forms Masonry. If targets scum, nothing happens. 1-shot Desperado - If targets non-scum, you die. If targets scum, they die. The powers work really nicely together; in the rare case that I find scum with the first ability, I have a confirmed vig shot on scum. After sleeping on it, I think Riku is actually a bad lynch since I can target Riku with the Desperado toNight, so barring interference, one or both of us will die beyond the NK, confirming one or both roles, depending on how Miller interacts. It's not clear, but I can only think of 3 abilities that Ironace would have here off the top of my head, and all of them hurt town more than help at this juncture. So Ironace is a bad lynch too. So if Riku and Ironace are ehh, how about Karote? I know @Riku had talked about voting him, and he's been equally problematic if not worse than Ironace. @Ruu @abhutrash @ScarletCelestial @DenjaX @RE1031 @Riku @Shinichi-Kun @ironace @lastwhisper31 @Pokeit To those of you who are town: Let's come together on Karote. To you in there who is/are scum: I'm coming for you. ~~~~~~ @Shinichi-kun should target someone with a night action who hasn't used their role yet. If anyone wants to volunteer? Otherwise he can pick amongst the unclaimed @ScarletCelestial, @Re1031, or @DenjaX, I guess. @Ruu is a pretty awful test, but still an option. Though, to be fair, once I'm cleared with Desperado, @Lastwhisper31/@Pokeit/@Re1031 should go do townie things. @Abhutrash could probably target Ironace (depending on claim), Scarlet, or Wisp just to confirm that slot unless he's more paranoid about one of the other players besides Osie/Shinichi/Riku/Ruu. Anyways, there's probably 2-3 scum left. I'm inclined to say that there's just 2, as 4 scum + TPR seems like a lot for this size of game. That said, that's totally setup gaming, so YMMV. |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
| Vote: Karote |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
osieorb18 said: Not sure what there is to explain. I mean, learning the alignment of 1 player at the beginning is perfectly legit, and besides, here's a paraphrased full role claim: Pregame Masonizer - If targets non-scum, forms Masonry. If targets scum, nothing happens. 1-shot Desperado - If targets non-scum, you die. If targets scum, they die. The powers work really nicely together; in the rare case that I find scum with the first ability, I have a confirmed vig shot on scum. After sleeping on it, I think Riku is actually a bad lynch since I can target Riku with the Desperado toNight, so barring interference, one or both of us will die beyond the NK, confirming one or both roles, depending on how Miller interacts. It's not clear, but I can only think of 3 abilities that Ironace would have here off the top of my head, and all of them hurt town more than help at this juncture. So Ironace is a bad lynch too. So if Riku and Ironace are ehh, how about Karote? I know @Riku had talked about voting him, and he's been equally problematic if not worse than Ironace. @Ruu @abhutrash @ScarletCelestial @DenjaX @RE1031 @Riku @Shinichi-Kun @ironace @lastwhisper31 @Pokeit To those of you who are town: Let's come together on Karote. To you in there who is/are scum: I'm coming for you. ~~~~~~ @Shinichi-kun should target someone with a night action who hasn't used their role yet. If anyone wants to volunteer? Otherwise he can pick amongst the unclaimed @ScarletCelestial, @Re1031, or @DenjaX, I guess. @Ruu is a pretty awful test, but still an option. Though, to be fair, once I'm cleared with Desperado, @Lastwhisper31/@Pokeit/@Re1031 should go do townie things. @Abhutrash could probably target Ironace (depending on claim), Scarlet, or Wisp just to confirm that slot unless he's more paranoid about one of the other players besides Osie/Shinichi/Riku/Ruu. Anyways, there's probably 2-3 scum left. I'm inclined to say that there's just 2, as 4 scum + TPR seems like a lot for this size of game. That said, that's totally setup gaming, so YMMV. Welp, I honestly dont know who to vote so i guess ill follow you. vote:karote side question, how can my ''junture'' hurt town? |
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osieorb18 said: ironace said: Im literally useless right now. Im not helping town in anyway. Infact, im taking the town's attention from real scum,. So yeah, my passive is far more beneficial o town. @ironace Do you not have a helpful active as well? yes i do. But it cant really be considered helpful if i just aim blindly... |
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Shinichi-Kun said: ironace said: I dont mind lynching either of them tbh. But since i have been inactive plus im not in the mood for backreading. I would lynch shin over riku. Even though i feel like he is town, but that is just it. Its nothing more than a feel. I dont thnk riku is lying about the miller claim. But shinichi MAY be doing so since its an effective plan since there are only 2 scum remaining(i think) and saying they are masons may help them. u will lynch me first even tho u think I am town sound logic right ther3 lol Yep. Sound indeed. edit, i said ''if i have only the choice among you two'' for that very reason. |
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ironace said: Welp, I honestly dont know who to vote so i guess ill follow you. vote:karote side question, how can my ''junture'' hurt town? The possibilities as I saw it: 1a. Vengeful - Kill a player when you die - More likely to hit town. 1b. Bomb - Kill the person who killed/hammered when you die - More likely to hit town given your description. 2. Virgin (Could stop lynch and/or following nightkill. If stops lynch, that's bad, obviously.) 3. Jester (Please no.) |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
| @osieorb18 Why shouldn't Shinichi-kun just roleblock who he thinks the scum are? |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| @osieorb18 You're Desperado? Why are you certain that RE and wisp are Town? I don't agree that ash should target ace. He might be something like Mafia Vengeful which is why he's baiting. Why do believe Karote is problematic? I'm willing to claim my role starting tomorrow, but only if Shin doesn't RB me tonight. |
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