Basic Game v2: Little Witch Academia | Gamed End | Mafia Wins

logic340 said:
RIP....Why the f&#@ would mafia rb me?
This shit makes no sense other than a setup...

Amai_yume said:
I guess it's one of these setups
TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker
TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

Amai_yume (6): Togs, RE1031, ironace, Labs, Floofs, grrr

reiynii (6): Labs, AbuHumaid, logic340, Amai_yume, Togs, TheConquerer

Togs said:
Just putting this one here

logic340 said:
+1

logic340 said:
+1

Togs said:
Townreads right now are Amai / Re / Logic / Albert. Slight townread on Yurkin. There is definitely still scum in Ironace / Lamby. That leaves Abu and Conq. Theres a very decent chance that the scumteam or at least most of it lies in {Iron, Lamby, Abu, Conq}

Togs said:
Townreads right now are Amai / Re / Logic / Albert. Slight townread on Yurkin. There is definitely still scum in Ironace / Lamby. That leaves Abu and Conq. Theres a very decent chance that the scumteam or at least most of it lies in {Iron, Lamby, Abu, Conq}

Floofs said:
@labs what is going on?!?!?!

Togs said:
Man now I wish no one claimed at all and we just lynched Iron, at least we would have info of where to go next

ironace said:

Your wouldn't have gotten anything useful from myou lynch.
As you have said later on..you can see that labs has steeped on both days.
I want either labs or yurkin on the stake tomorrow

Floofs said:
@labs what is going on?!?!?!

Labs said:


Not a hell of a lot from the looks of things.
Wanna provide context or simply elaborate on that question?
If you mean me personally, I was actually wrong about Rei-chan of all people and right now I'm supposedly lurking by choice and I'm just popping in to submit my night action.

Togs said:
Just putting this one here

Amai_yume (6): Togs, RE1031, ironace, Labs, Floofs, grrr

reiynii (6): Labs, AbuHumaid, logic340, Amai_yume, Togs, TheConquerer

logic340 said:
I mean.....you could always choose to play mafia on the weekends? Not that I expect you to change but I told people not to expect much from you over the weekend per the usual V/LA. Sucks that you have ended up on both mislynch trains and you are already hard to read so if you could try to be a little more transparent moving forward I would appreciate it.

I honestly don't think you will get much more than that out of Floofs as that seems to be the running theme with them this game.

What do you make of the EoD and the claims that happened between me and reiynii?

Labs said:


Honestly..... though it is coming from me who prefers to use as much mechanics as possible, I felt it was obvious that on top of how they were treating the game that Rei-chan had all fuhkken day to work with what you had obviously thrown out there, even if not directly claimed before giving him a chance to speak.

TheConquerer said:
Urgh what a mess this is, I have no idea who to believe but lynching reiynii seems to be the only thing left, at least if they're town we know Abu isn't.
It's not perfect but it's all happening to fast and I had dinner yay.
Also about my redirector suggestion, It might be obvious now but I don't really read the setup for these games unless it's drastically different.

Labs said:


Brief, but shit like this reeks of lazy baddie......
Fairly simple game and set-up, don't see the room to spinning shit, nor the reason for it.

ironace said:




Link's not working for me....

Togs said:
Going to try to answer standing questions and stuff first before I get fully back into it. Sorry everyone for my absences so far this game, I really don’t want it to turn out like AoT though so I will try harder.

I’ll explain it with an analogy. In an RPG, when you’re just starting out, the newbie gear you get tends to have very low stats like +3 defense or something. Even though that number would be completely irrelevant when you reach a higher level, when you’re starting out it’s actually a big deal. Early on in this game I had a very slight scum lean on Amai based mostly on gut feeling, since it was the early game though it was enough for me to make a post out of. After I came back, I actually townread Amai due to 1. Her reactions to almost being lynched seemed towny and 2. The wagon itself was actually really suspicious which I will detail more below.

If you look at this from my pov, it becomes really obvious that there’s something up with that wagon. The game is stagnant early, I place there first “serious” vote but I know I have barely anything on Amai, I just wanted to get some action going. I didn’t expect to convince people with it and I would not have wanted to lynch Amai with just the barely-a-case that I made.

Then, I go afk for like a day and a half, and when I came back I was really surprised to see Amai just about to be lynched.. with no counterwagons getting any traction too. The person who started Amai’s wagon was not actively there to support it or give it traction in any way, and yet somehow it was the largest wagon of the D1 by a wide margin and I’m fairly sure would have been a lynch if it wasn’t for the nolynch CFD (Chinese Water Drill ?) at the last moment. In other words, I feel like the wagon was egged on by scum who wanted to utilize the traction the wagon already had, adding fuel to the fire after someone else added the spark so to speak. Which is a good thing for scum to be doing because the start of the case wouldn’t trace back to them.

The main reason I didn’t bring it up was because I thought it came too early, RE chimed in directly after I voted and I got a real sense of commitment from her post. I thought at the time she was probably doing what I was doing, just trying to push a case to get something going.

@ironace, @AbuHumaid, @Labs, @RE1031, @Togs, @yurkin, @TheConquerer, @reiynii, @Amai_yume, @AlbertinoDias, @Floofs

I’m tagging everyone because I feel this is really important. This is one of the most “there is scum on me” wagons I’ve seen in a while and it’s down to a nice tidy PoE of just 4 people, which is honestly kind of lucky. Though to be fair, near the beginning is where I would’ve expected scum to hiding anyways because of the way the wagon formed. But anyways I will only support a lynch on either {re, iron, lamby} toDay. I’m going to try to spend most of my effort today looking into which and I think this would be the best place for others to look into as well.

Togs said:
Man now I wish no one claimed at all and we just lynched Iron, at least we would have info of where to go next

Togs said:
Just putting this one here

Togs said:
Townreads right now are Amai / Re / Logic / Albert. Slight townread on Yurkin. There is definitely still scum in Ironace / Lamby. That leaves Abu and Conq. Theres a very decent chance that the scumteam or at least most of it lies in {Iron, Lamby, Abu, Conq}

logic340 said:
Togs also picked up on this post for different reasons. This was the final train D1 that we used to counter the Amai lynch. There may be more here for sure.

ironace said:

Your wouldn't have gotten anything useful from myou lynch.
As you have said later on..you can see that labs has steeped on both days.
I want either labs or yurkin on the stake tomorrow

AlbertinoDias said:

[spoiler=you forgot this...[/spoiler]
We don't want to miss some details do we?? :) [/spoiler]
regarding Abu.... :
well, i think that the interactions that Abu had with reiynii are self-explanatory, @Logic340, as you stated, she had her RVS and then moved from it to a full claim out of nowhere, isn't that at the start of day 2??, why is that?? also, maybe this explains what i was saying, (about Abu reaction a.k.a his big post) it was more like: i'm scum but your reasoning sucks, with this claim, you can connect the dots... she did not have anything to pick Abu on, but knew he was one... ho yeah and i heard that when people play with other people many times as town and then role scum, they act the exact same way they do when town... if his play style is like town!abu, what if he's doingit to hide himself??
And if we think that what @togs said is true... then someone RB logic and that way Reiynii was able to use the cop ability night 1.... everything comes together this way don't you think??
logic could also be lying (since he did with Grrr -...-) but reading his posts, we can see that he indeed was trying to help reiynii (and that post about her night action, if she used it or not...) unfortunately togs post came a bit late to save reiynii... (let's all wonder why?? )
(notes: all my post had many grammar errors... sorry for that)
and i'm home now, so, PC all the way :3
Edit:... i got the spoiler button wrong... i can't do it... it will stay like that...

Togs said:
There are framers in the setup too, apparently

Togs said:
@grave_robber @Luna If a player is roleblocked in this game, will they be told they are roleblocked ?

I actually think it's possible for Logic/Rei to both be town IF Logic himself was roleblocked N1. But if he's sure of his ability's success then Rei has to be scum

AbuHumaid said:
Just so you know my PM says I'm a vanilla townie, I have no idea what reiynii was talking about

Catching up now

Amai_yume said:
i think people need to take a good look at Conq, you all suspect him D1 but not now? I think his posts about SK are telling.

yurkin said:

Why townread amai, togs ?

Floofs said:
@labs what is going on?!?!?!

ironace said:

Your wouldn't have gotten anything useful from myou lynch.
As you have said later on..you can see that labs has steeped on both days.
I want either labs or yurkin on the stake tomorrow

AlbertinoDias said:

We don't want to miss some details do we?? :) [/spoiler]

Labs said:


This kind of thing is always fun to look at too~
Such luck.
A tight 4 people.
Only 3 choices.

Thank god for only supporting said lynches:
reiynii (6): Labs, AbuHumaid, logic340, Amai_yume, Togs, TheConquerer


Then following it up with this:


Then a second hyper-focus or simply an exaggeration of it existing on their end:


Then for whatever reason, maybe it's just me not understanding the approach.... but bleh~ pairings of sorts:



Though of-course with the set-up and current numbers..... for the end of that post to be false defies numbers as a whole and is an easy guesstimate or general statement to make.

logic340 said:
So at this point I think I am liking Labs better for town.
Sorry but Togs timing always seems very opportunistic.
It's happened twice now where he has swooped in at the end of the phase while not doing much during the rest of it.
This can come from both town and scum Togs but I find it is starting to be a liability on town as we keep CFDing instead of having viable lynch trains ready headed into phase change.

I definitely need to look back over my Amai read. But we have 2 trains that reached 6 people this game which is quite weird considering the general level of activity?

logic340 said:
Why is it you keep brining up the idea of framers?While I know you as a smart townie who can figure this stuff out mafia would have this information already since they would likely have been the ones to do it. You came to this conclusion pretty quickly amid all the confusion. Even adding that Abu could be miller later on.

Togs said:
Excellent, lots of pings on me this morning
I’ve said millers are unaware right ? Get with the times
I have written some posts about how he’s outwardly scummy but no one ever seems to want him as a main focus

1. Was the recipient of a really weird D1 wagon with no real counterwagons
2. VT claim and reaction to being wagoned up seemed genuine
3. Seemed genuine to me yesterday as well when we were discussing Rei/Abu

LABS out of all people is who you ask ??

If that’s what you want, help us out and case them

The difference is
1. I explicitly moved my D1 vote to save Amai because I townread her
2. I voted this way D2 because I trusted Logic’s claim
3. Lamby voted for both stating a scumread on them before disappearing

If you want to come at me go ahead, but use your critical thinking too

Are you really trying to shade me for this Lamby, because this is some weak shit.

“Thank god for only supporting said lynches” - Oh because, you know, TWO people counterclaimed each other an hour before deadline ? Let’s just forget that happened, why would that possibly affect my vote.

“Then a second hyper-focus or simply an exaggeration of it existing on their end” - Yes Lamby, I’m focused on you because of your lazy votes before disappearing on two mislynched wagons. And btw, this isn’t hyper focus, this is you entering my periphery. When you get fully ISO’d, THATS when you’re the subject of my hyper focus.

“Though of-course with the set-up and current numbers..... for the end of that post to be false defies numbers as a whole and is an easy guesstimate or general statement to make.” - Yes Lamby, that’s what process of elimination is, and you’re right in the middle of mine.

Logic my friend, if you’re town this game you’re way too fickle. I helped the game go your way Day 1 by supporting no lynch over Amai lynch, and D2 it was you claiming against Reiynii claiming against Abu, don’t put that shit on my playstyle.

I didn’t have it figured out, I was getting confused by Amai so I checked the OP. It took me ONE MINUTE and apparently I now have more game knowledge than anyone else in the game because no one checked the OP. Seriously more people should’ve done this.

logic340 said:
I did check the OP and roles but I don't spend much time thinking about them because it really doesn't affect how I view behavior.

Your right I am being fickly this game but with so little going on I am trying to find leads. RE is someone worth looking into they way she protected reiynii on D2 seems to me it could be something more going on. I wont let up on Labs just yet though I do like what he has said about the mechanics.

Also you're right I cannot put it on your playstyle but the fact still remains you have come it at phase change twice, been a big factor in it, said you would do something start of night 1 that didn't happen until D2, these are just facts, they could be used against you later on so if you could try to help yourself a little more during D3.

Edit: tried to fix bbcode. Removed spoiler

Togs said:
1. Well I apologize then but whether or not a cop read can be 100% is a pretty big freaking deal if you ask me. Amai mistakenly thought this was a TL setup with no redirectors or millers, and it was really confusing how the you / reiynii / abu dichotomy could even happen. Yes behavior is more reliable than mechanics but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to sort them out.

2. Talk to me about RE. I have a townread on her and iirc she made a whole ISO of Reiynii early D2 where she said she townread him based off his posts. What post did she make that was scummy ? And what exactly did you like out of Lamby ?

3. Don't worry about what other people could use against me, I can defend myself. Yes I've been spotty and I could've done more but I'm pretty sure I'm easily in the top 1/2 of the playerbase in terms of post content anyways.

ironace said:

Your wouldn't have gotten anything useful from myou lynch.
As you have said later on..you can see that labs has steeped on both days.
I want either labs or yurkin on the stake tomorrow

logic340 said:
@TheConquerer why did you kill grrr night 1?

Labs said:


Brief, but shit like this reeks of lazy baddie......
Fairly simple game and set-up, don't see the room to spinning shit, nor the reason for it.

RE1031 said:

Can you explain #219 further?

RE1031 said:

But doesn't that make his post NAI? Yes, if he decided to misinterpret posts, that'd be something worth noting, but I don't see how that one post alone makes him townie. While I do find his questions as a sign of being engaged and eager to help as town, I'm curious because I've seen your kind of response coming from scum (labeling something as townie when it's NAI, at least from my POV).

RE1031 said:

NAI for me is when something can equally come from town or scum. However, when NAI posts dominate a player's contribution to the game, I'll find that scummy.

RE1031 said:

Perspective, possibly.
If I'm correct, you're currently suspecting Abu. Why not go after him (especially now that we have less than 24 hours in the phase)? While tunneling isn't always the most effective way of hunting scum, even if they are town, it can clear up any bad feelings you have about them, which would be difficult to accomplish doing otherwise.

Amai_yume said:
I have class and work today expect little activity from me today. We need to look more at Conq because I don't really like how you all suspected him and now he's apparently not even worth looking at. It's players like those that I believe need to be double checked after two mislynches.

logic340 said:
@Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me.

TheConquerer said:

I mean I didn't, why did you push to lynch a pr instead of wait next day for more information? In hindsight I should've never followed that decision.

RE1031 said:
@logic340
Just to clarify, you currently think Abu is miller? And you will be pushing for this as the case?

RE1031 said:

As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped.