| example : https://www.instagram.com/p/DTniJ0DiBtX/ saw this post that says "you're not a feminist if you simp or defend these characters btw" and the characters were misogynistic or problematic" this is not the only example, i often come across such posts about being judged at an individual and personal for liking "fictional" characters, i cannot fathom how one can come to such conclusion...i dont believe fiction and reality are two never converging subject but this is quite extreme. i can understand why people might question someone liking a "evil" character but im sure most of the times it's because they find the character interesting or written well also i will always defend Geto so im offended at such posts !!! what is your stance about this way of thinking ? |
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| It depends on the reason people like the evil characters. I like their role in the story. I don't approve of fans who act as if villains aren't evil. |
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| Does Geto/Kenjaku even have to do with anti-feminism? Last I checked he was racist, not sexist. |
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| Wait, so it's bad when people shame you for liking evil characters BUT WHEN I LIKE OPPAI LOLIS WHO SHOW THEIR FAT ASS AND BOUNCE AROUND, IT'S OK FOR PPL TO SHIT ON ME!?!?!?! |
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| It's that type of mentality that has caused so many villains in modern western media to become one dimensional and boring. Because writers are terrified of approaching more serious topics due to a fear of backlash from mentally ill freaks on social media who can't separate fiction from reality Imagine if someone had told JRR Tolkien that he's an evil person just because he wrote about Sauron and the dark forces of Middle Earth doing horrific things. It's absolutely ridiculous. We desperately need to bring back mental asylums |
| Simping an evil character Having sexual or romantic feelings for a character doesn't mean you approve their actions. Logic supersedes base instincts, so I fail to see how one can justify anti-feminism for someone simping hot males. Defending an evil character As long as you defend their actions in their fictional context, I don't see a problem. It could be more blurry if you're trying to apply them to real-life, by justifying the means through the show. Character "X" did it so I can do it. I believe too most people are sane enough to draw the line between reality and fiction. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but I think this Instagram post is instrumentalizing anime characters into advocating feminism. |
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It's that type of mentality that has caused so many villains in modern western media to become one dimensional and boring. Because writers are terrified of approaching more serious topics due to a fear of backlash from mentally ill freaks on social media who can't separate fiction from reality
Imagine if someone had told JRR Tolkien that he's an evil person just because he wrote about Sauron and the dark forces of Middle Earth doing horrific things. It's absolutely ridiculous. We desperately need to bring back mental asylums
Imagine if someone had told JRR Tolkien that he's an evil person just because he wrote about Sauron and the dark forces of Middle Earth doing horrific things. It's absolutely ridiculous. We desperately need to bring back mental asylums
NS2D said: It's that type of mentality that has caused so many villains in modern western media to become one dimensional and boring. NS2D said: Imagine if someone had told JRR Tolkien that he's an evil person just because he wrote about Sauron and the dark forces of Middle Earth doing horrific things. Imagine thinking Sauron ever had any depth. |
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| This is a very "turn off the internet and it goes away" problem. |
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NS2D said:
It's that type of mentality that has caused so many villains in modern western media to become one dimensional and boring.
It's that type of mentality that has caused so many villains in modern western media to become one dimensional and boring.
NS2D said:
Imagine if someone had told JRR Tolkien that he's an evil person just because he wrote about Sauron and the dark forces of Middle Earth doing horrific things.
Imagine if someone had told JRR Tolkien that he's an evil person just because he wrote about Sauron and the dark forces of Middle Earth doing horrific things.
Imagine thinking Sauron ever had any depth.
| @Lucifrost Did you misunderstand my post? Sauron is a lot more one dimensional than many others for sure, but the reason I used LOTR as an example is precisely because the villains there are so completely black and white evil with no room for any doubt or moral gray. That doesn't mean Tolkien was an evil man or that fans of LOTR who appreciate those characters are evil people. Anyone who thinks like that need to take their meds and get off the internet because that mentality ruins art and creativity |
| A well written "Evil" character can still be really likeable like Johan from monster they are just written so well you they serve as an excellent antagonist to the story. |
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@Lucifrost Did you misunderstand my post? Sauron is a lot more one dimensional than many others for sure, but the reason I used LOTR as an example is precisely because the villains there are so completely black and white evil with no room for any doubt or moral gray. That doesn't mean Tolkien was an evil man or that fans of LOTR who appreciate those characters are evil people. Anyone who thinks like that need to take their meds and get off the internet because that mentality ruins art and creativity
| @NS2D You said today's villains are one dimensional and then brought up Sauron as a counterexample. |
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there is a psychology why we love villains just google it
i love thanos but i will definitely not do or support genocide in real life as they say separate fiction from reality
but im honestly annoyed when eren is so heavily praise back then for doing the rumbling and heck they want to kill all of humanity even, genocide of your own kind is bad its different with thanos doing genocide not just on humanity but still i learn to accept that the eren superfans probably can separate fiction from reality well hopefully most of them
i love thanos but i will definitely not do or support genocide in real life as they say separate fiction from reality
but im honestly annoyed when eren is so heavily praise back then for doing the rumbling and heck they want to kill all of humanity even, genocide of your own kind is bad its different with thanos doing genocide not just on humanity but still i learn to accept that the eren superfans probably can separate fiction from reality well hopefully most of them
| @deg Eren's actions make perfect sense in that universe. I never understood what good people saw in Marley. They were depicted as genocidal imperialists who oppressed the Eldian people, put them in camps, and used them for medical experiments and as cannon fodder in their expansionist wars. Eren just wanted to free his people from that technologically superior aggressive imperialist state and the rumbling was the only way that the Eldians had to prevent their own extinction |
| Sounds like self-righteous virtue signalling. |
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| I like Bondrewd. He is the best villain in my opinion. I love how he is written and how he justifies what he does. He's a complex character that believes he is doing good (as most evil does). Also, he's pretty badass looking. No one is under any obligation to justify their opinions or proclivities to anyone; least of which someone attempting to present fiction as an equivalent to real life situations in order to reinforce their own biases and prejudices. If people want to make assumptions about me because I like a compelling evil character they're free to do so. But, I'm also free to assume that means they're a meek, manipulative, and emotionally stunted individual. Or, that they are a completely disingenuous person that subsists on upvotes, hearts, stars, or whatever icon their chosen social media uses to represent herd approval; and that they will say whatever is needed to gather as much "approval" as they can.  |
UhOhFanOfTouhouYesterday, 10:19 AM
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@NS2D
You said today's villains are one dimensional and then brought up Sauron as a counterexample.
You said today's villains are one dimensional and then brought up Sauron as a counterexample.
| @Lucifrost Sauron and the world building of Tolkien is a million times more complex than the average modern villain since Tolkien weren't afraid to talk about the atrocities committed by him and his subjects despite him being very one dimensional in a purely moral sense. In modern western media it's like they're afraid to write the villains as too abhorrent because they're scared of getting backlash by people who think the author is supporting those actions if they write about them. That's the problem that I was trying to point out |
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@NS2D the 50 year plan is better imo a partial rumbling to destroy all military facilities was never tried and it was mentioned before in the story
eren is going all or nothing
eren is going all or nothing
| @deg That would just continue the cycle of hatred and in a few hundred or thousand years things would repeat again. |
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@Lucifrost Sauron and the world building of Tolkien is a million times more complex than the average modern villain since Tolkien weren't afraid to talk about the atrocities committed by him and his subjects despite him being very one dimensional in a purely moral sense. In modern western media it's like they're afraid to write the villains as too abhorrent because they're scared of getting backlash by people who think the author is supporting those actions if they write about them. That's the problem that I was trying to point out
| @NS2D While I agree with the point you're making, Sauron is a poor example because he does very little throughout The Lord of the Rings. |
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| The plot has been lost and forgotten for at least 10 years, you must have been living under a rock for a really long time. |
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| I've rarely seen any series or film (in anime and in other mediums as well) from which I would describe any villain or antagonist character as actually "evil" in the way that the term is conceived of, but then I don't consider it a generally useful and accurate descriptor for either real life people or fictional characters and never have, as it says more about how they are perceived by others whom they negatively affect and how those whose interests they oppose materially with their own actions and pursuit of their own interests cast them in such a light. I would say that it's basically applicable, first of all: 1.) Only in fiction 2.) Within fiction, only generally for nameless background fodder-esque characters who are designed to be a faceless grunt to be instantly dispatched and destroyed with no greater depth or purpose 3.) In Biblical and other Abrahamic religious texts (which, for the most part, I'd also consider a form of fiction, with no particular offense intended toward the adherents) and other mythologies - and, arguably in a related vein, high fantasy literary works of a certain subtype and style, more in the case of epic fantasy and heroic fantasy high fantasies where roles are more clearly defined and simplified and the roles and titles themselves can even be said to be more important and loom larger than the characters as people - the kind where all nuance is purposefully diminished to the point of irrelevance or obliteration, as well as all media based on them; epic poetry, etc. |
WatchTillTandavaYesterday, 11:21 AM
| What did that famous tweet said, "most discourses in media happen because people treat fictional characters like they were real" or something like that. Evil characters can be pretty enjoyable to watch and there's nothing wrong with that as long as people can differentiate them from reality, I guess. |
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@Lucifrost Nah, you had to read the Prequel. Heck, only Morgoth had depth in Tolkien. And Smaug. As much as I love Middle Earh, Tolkien really couldn't write really good villains.
| @Sheol01 I found Saruman to be a compelling villain. I'm surprised nobody else seems to agree. |
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What did that famous tweet said, "most discourses in media happen because people treat fictional characters like they were real" or something like that.
Evil characters can be pretty enjoyable to watch and there's nothing wrong with that as long as people can differentiate them from reality, I guess.
Evil characters can be pretty enjoyable to watch and there's nothing wrong with that as long as people can differentiate them from reality, I guess.
@CaptainKenshiro Hmm... Is this the tweet you're thinking of? |
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@Sheol01
I found Saruman to be a compelling villain. I'm surprised nobody else seems to agree.
I found Saruman to be a compelling villain. I'm surprised nobody else seems to agree.
| @Lucifrost Saruman with his Uruk-Hai was my favorite character when I saw the movies in the theaters in the early 2000s. As an adult I've come to appreciate Aragorn more but he's definitely a top tier villain. I used to always prefer characters like Jaffar from Aladdin and Ramesses II from The Prince of Egypt over the heroes of the stories |
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@Lucifrost Saruman with his Uruk-Hai was my favorite character when I saw the movies in the theaters in the early 2000s. As an adult I've come to appreciate Aragorn more but he's definitely a top tier villain. I used to always prefer characters like Jaffar from Aladdin and Ramesses II from The Prince of Egypt over the heroes of the stories
| @NS2D If you like Saruman and haven't read the books, you simply must check out the penultimate chapter "The Scouring of the Shire." It disappoints me greatly that nobody has attempted to adapt it. |
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bluesun24 said: "Evil" is subjective to a degree, though I do think there are some characters that could be considered evil. While not everyone who acts in harmful ways is evil, there is a certain level where harm does cross into evil. Genocide and other large-scale crimes come to mind "Evil" to me has always meant that there is an intention to do harm for the sake of harm. Many of those perpetrating and enacting genocides whether on a large-scale or in smaller individual instances don't believe they're perpetrating a harm, but carrying out something necessary, an act of collective self-preservation or even an act of great service - even if they're aware it's brutal, ugly, and viewed negatively by many others. There is a rationale at play which isn't rooted in doing harm for harm's sake. The same can be said of anything else to accomplish any other political or religious goal (which sometimes genocide and ethnic cleansing fall under). There are more obviously selfish crimes, like theft/robbery, rape, etc., but similarly those are typically not rooted in a desire to commit harm in and of itself either, but selfish gain and pleasure. Those who only who only want to impose mass suffering or usher in a new age of darkness or some such with no personal benefit or more fleshed out ideological motive or goal other than destruction, torment, and pain are like the archetypal religious/mythological/high fantasy monsters. And even them in certain instances a case could be made on their behalf (even if it was not what was originally intended - I go by "The author is dead" tenet) as to why they had sound reason for doing what they did within their own logic and framework in a little more two or three-dimensional way. "Evil" is something I've always viewed as designed to label the otherwise inexplicable and often purely otherworldly. Once the alleged evildoer is shown to have any motives beyond harm, the case for it falls apart. |
WatchTillTandavaYesterday, 12:21 PM
| Liking questionable/evil characters or creeps isn't sus per se, but the reasons people give for liking them or the arguments they use to justify their actions can definitely be judged in good conscience as they tell you something about the actual person behind the screen and their values and mentality. I love me a good villain, but I will not defend or justify them committing rape or genocide or other atrocities because I don't think you can justify certain things. It's the difference between saying you like a villain because they play their role well in the context of the show and trying to make the argument that 'they did nothing wrong' when they clearly committed some atrocities. Judging people for the latter is definitely okay in my book. Being a three-dimensional villain doesn't automatically justify all the bad shit a character is doing, it just means they're a well written villain and if someone does not understand that distinction and feels compelled to defend their actions just because they enjoyed the character and their role in the show, that's mildly crazy to me. |
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@NS2D
If you like Saruman and haven't read the books, you simply must check out the penultimate chapter "The Scouring of the Shire." It disappoints me greatly that nobody has attempted to adapt it.
If you like Saruman and haven't read the books, you simply must check out the penultimate chapter "The Scouring of the Shire." It disappoints me greatly that nobody has attempted to adapt it.
| @Lucifrost I did read them although it was a very long time ago and yeah it's one of the best parts of the books and probably the most personal that Tolkien ever got with his writing. I understand why it wasn't included in the Peter Jackson trilogy but damn it's so good It would also be really cool to see a proper adaptation of The Silmarillion and the Unfinished Tales but I don't trust any person or studio in modern times to do it right |
| I'm so over puritanical pearl clutching and an abject lack of media literacy, it's worryingly pervasive in online culture. People unable to differentiate fiction from reality are the problem, not people who like villainous characters. |
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bluesun24 said:
"Evil" is subjective to a degree, though I do think there are some characters that could be considered evil. While not everyone who acts in harmful ways is evil, there is a certain level where harm does cross into evil. Genocide and other large-scale crimes come to mind
"Evil" is subjective to a degree, though I do think there are some characters that could be considered evil. While not everyone who acts in harmful ways is evil, there is a certain level where harm does cross into evil. Genocide and other large-scale crimes come to mind
"Evil" to me has always meant that there is an intention to do harm for the sake of harm. Many of those perpetrating and enacting genocides whether on a large-scale or in smaller individual instances don't believe they're perpetrating a harm, but carrying out something necessary, an act of collective self-preservation or even an act of great service - even if they're aware it's brutal, ugly, and viewed negatively by many others. There is a rationale at play which isn't rooted in doing harm for harm's sake. The same can be said of anything else to accomplish any other political or religious goal (which sometimes genocide and ethnic cleansing fall under).
There are more obviously selfish crimes, like theft/robbery, rape, etc., but similarly those are typically not rooted in a desire to commit harm in and of itself either, but selfish gain and pleasure.
Those who only who only want to impose mass suffering or usher in a new age of darkness or some such with no personal benefit or more fleshed out ideological motive or goal other than destruction, torment, and pain are like the archetypal religious/mythological/high fantasy monsters. And even them in certain instances a case could be made on their behalf (even if it was not what was originally intended - I go by "The author is dead" tenet) as to why they had sound reason for doing what they did within their own logic and framework in a little more two or three-dimensional way. "Evil" is something I've always viewed as designed to label the otherwise inexplicable and often purely otherworldly. Once the alleged evildoer is shown to have any motives beyond harm, the case for it falls apart.
WatchTillTandava said: "Evil" to me has always meant that there is an intention to do harm for the sake of harm. Many of those perpetrating and enacting genocides whether on a large-scale or in smaller individual instances don't believe they're perpetrating a harm, but carrying out something necessary, an act of collective self-preservation or even an act of great service - even if they're aware it's brutal, ugly, and viewed negatively by many others. There is a rationale at play which isn't rooted in doing harm for harm's sake. The same can be said of anything else to accomplish any other political or religious goal (which sometimes genocide and ethnic cleansing fall under). I consider "evil" in fiction to be a matter of ambiguity. Villains are evil regardless of motives if their purpose is to be defeated by heroes. |
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| @UhOhFanOfTouhou No but that is another good one. |
| there's many layers to 'evil', but that sort of character can be liked without defending their actions. when they're defended, their fans tend to go to extreme levels of mischaracterization with the pile of created head-canons treated as canon, that the characters just become caricatures of themselves. like stop babying these grown ass men. and the thing is, this way of thinking is rampant when it comes to male characters, but when it's a female character who is ''evil'', you bet she would not have the same grace of people defending her like it would hurt them if they don't. overall, it misses the point; if they're well-written they're not supposed to be defended or justified, but just understood. |
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UhOhFanOfTouhou said: I like Bondrewd. He is the best villain in my opinion. I love how he is written and how he justifies what he does. He's a complex character that believes he is doing good (as most evil does). Also, he's pretty badass looking. Someone mentioned daddy Bondrewd? ^ô^ Yea, he scared the hell out of me both in the manga and the anime. He has some kind of terrifying aura with that mask in the dark, and the loving daddy chara just makes it worse. Or better, depending on how you frame it. |
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| To quote certain cartoon character (guess who I am talking about...it's not Ralph, his quote is a bit different). "I am baaad and it feels goood!" |
okay, first off: that instagram post? there is massive difference between liking a character for being a well written character, and defending a characters actions outside of them being simply a writing decision. like, I love Tywin Lannister. he is one of the best written villians ever. he's one of the smartest characters and seemingly the only one with a brain who ever sat on that throne, even if it's just as the Hand. he is also a huge piece of shit. there seems to be a subset of people out there who don't fully manage to make the disconnect between reality and fiction. people who get angry at a character, not because they are badly written, but because they are written like assholes, and those people fail to realize that it's not a real person they are getting angry at. and I feel that subset is the same that has to avert their eyes when there is a nude drawing of a fictional 15-year-old girl on the screen because they feel ashamed. |
Ghostfreak2000 said: There is nothing wrong with liking evil characters as long as you don't believe that what they are doing is right. Agreed. enjoying how an evil character operates and their thought process is every much different from actually believing what they did is necessary, i believe some justification can make sense but at the end of the day if I agree the character I like or have fun watching is evil and had done evil things albeit me liking those things he did in it, i believe I'm aware that their actions were not right. |
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bluesun24 said: I don't really get how people could like evil characters. Unless it's shown that they had a tragic backstory, AND end up becoming better people in some way throughout the story AND feel sorry for what they did in the past. But regardless, liking an evil character is different from actually supporting what they do. Most media has violence to some degree, so does that mean most fictional characters are evil? I'd say no, the much bigger issue is framing. Many stories clearly show that an evil character, is evil. Some shows do try to depict the evil characters as actually being right or justified, and that's where some people find this problematic. I dislike when horrific acts are portrayed as being good, but I wouldn't go as far as assuming the viewer "can't be a feminist" or is "misogynistic" for liking them. It's important to acknowledge we all have our biases and opinions. I choose to consume media that aligns with my ethics and values, which are subjective. If someone wants to consume media with evil characters and horrific acts being done, that's their choice, and I see no need for restricting or stopping it. However, I do see a need with acknowledging how certain portrayals of violence and sexualization have a real impact on society. Acknowledgement does not equal condemnation. And impact does not mean media is entirely responsible for whatever happens in society, just that it plays a role. EDIT: I thought about what OP mentioned, and I can see how someone could equate enjoying how an evil character is written with "liking" an evil character. But I would still say that liking how an evil character is written is fundamentally different from liking the character themselves. intriguing as always...just one thing I want to add that sometimes i fear even when a show doesn't particularly frame a shitty character as "bad"... lot of the times audience is actually much more aware of the actions taken by those characters, there are many examples of such portrayal but right off the bat I can think of BoJack Horseman I've never someone ever justify his actions but a lot of people including me loves his character not because he's a good person in the show but because we all relate to some of his shitty behaviour now when it's something extreme like a misogynistic or genocidal character, i believe most people like them more their backstory, or just because they make the plot much more exciting... |
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Satyr_icon said: This is a very "turn off the internet and it goes away" problem. sure it does, but it's always interesting to understand the mind of other people, what makes them come to such harsh conclusions, we are a community and I don't see anything wrong with sometimes engaging in things as a community |
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| It is what it is, I guess? Anime as a whole has been rapidly gaining popularity for a good few years now, so it's not uncommon to see mentally challenged people show their inabilities to differentiate fiction and reality anymore. Have you seen the whole Kirara discourse as well? They think he's transgender, lol. |
neolilac said: there's many layers to 'evil', but that sort of character can be liked without defending their actions. when they're defended, their fans tend to go to extreme levels of mischaracterization with the pile of created head-canons treated as canon, that the characters just become caricatures of themselves. like stop babying these grown ass men. and the thing is, this way of thinking is rampant when it comes to male characters, but when it's a female character who is ''evil'', you bet she would not have the same grace of people defending her like it would hurt them if they don't. overall, it misses the point; if they're well-written they're not supposed to be defended or justified, but just understood. I feel like most female villains are less justified by their fans and more sexualized, Makima being the biggest example I can think of right now... since most of the fanbase is male, they don't care about her actions as a character but because she's hot and "mommy" with female fanbases, I feel like sometimes we have reached to a very puritan culture, liking bad characters in fiction doesn't necessarily mean you're bad as a person, sure as many stated - the reason behind is the most important factor but to make such claims tha just because I like a messy, problematic...even MISOGYNYSTIC characters makes me anti-feminist is silly 😭😭😭 sometimes we go so far off the curve, we go more regressive than progressive. |
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@deg That would just continue the cycle of hatred and in a few hundred or thousand years things would repeat again.
| @NS2D 1. Eren literally says it himself that If his primary motivation was indeed "protecting Paradis", Armin makes it clear that the Shiganshina colossals alone would have been more than sufficient to crush any opposing militaries. 2. The existence of and focus on Ramzi and Halil prove that plenty, if not the majority, of the Rumbling's victims were innocents who had no part in the Eldia-Marley conflict. 3. |
Some of you never watched Bakugan Battle Brawlers on TeleToon in 2008 and it shows. |
| Liking a character of fiction does not mean you agree with the ideals presented. Basic media literacy. Post must be bait. |
 MOKUSHI KUSHIMO SHIMOKU KUMOSHI MOSHIKU SHIKUMO. |
| I mean at the end of the day the characters don't exist in real life..it's not that deep. I have a favourite character because his design was cool.... |
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neolilac said:
there's many layers to 'evil', but that sort of character can be liked without defending their actions. when they're defended, their fans tend to go to extreme levels of mischaracterization with the pile of created head-canons treated as canon, that the characters just become caricatures of themselves. like stop babying these grown ass men. and the thing is, this way of thinking is rampant when it comes to male characters, but when it's a female character who is ''evil'', you bet she would not have the same grace of people defending her like it would hurt them if they don't.
overall, it misses the point; if they're well-written they're not supposed to be defended or justified, but just understood.
there's many layers to 'evil', but that sort of character can be liked without defending their actions. when they're defended, their fans tend to go to extreme levels of mischaracterization with the pile of created head-canons treated as canon, that the characters just become caricatures of themselves. like stop babying these grown ass men. and the thing is, this way of thinking is rampant when it comes to male characters, but when it's a female character who is ''evil'', you bet she would not have the same grace of people defending her like it would hurt them if they don't.
overall, it misses the point; if they're well-written they're not supposed to be defended or justified, but just understood.
I feel like most female villains are less justified by their fans and more sexualized, Makima being the biggest example I can think of right now... since most of the fanbase is male, they don't care about her actions as a character but because she's hot and "mommy"
with female fanbases, I feel like sometimes we have reached to a very puritan culture, liking bad characters in fiction doesn't necessarily mean you're bad as a person, sure as many stated - the reason behind is the most important factor but to make such claims tha just because I like a messy, problematic...even MISOGYNYSTIC characters makes me anti-feminist is silly 😭😭😭
sometimes we go so far off the curve, we go more regressive than progressive.
| @ame some people shouldn't be part of the anime fanbase holy shit. |
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