89% of Japanese artists consider generative AI “a serious threat” to their livelihood, large-scale survey shows
Yeah, that's understandable AI trains on their own original works in the goal of replacing, this is the literal definition of the expression "adding insult to injury" |
| I don't know, h artists should stop drawing the newest gatcha waifus and gb2 anime fanart. they should also lay off the subscription bs and gb2 doujins. |
| 馬鹿げた倫理 全部ガラクタで |
| If AI is taking their jobs, why can't they use AI to keep their jobs???????????????????????????????????????????? |
RushingSugar9 hours ago
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Reply to deg
@Lucifrost they can go indie anime works and even add patreon since there is no stopping ai now
| @deg 89% are worried they won't be able to do that. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Reply to valico
@RushingSugar Real answer to a bait reply:
The artists have developed skills for a specific workflow. This is essentially the same as blacksmiths moving to CNC machining. One is a manual labor skill, the other is computer work. The result is the same(ish), the work is completely different skillsets. This is why people fear losing jobs to automation, because manning automation systems is nothing like manual labor, and laborers often struggle to make that transition.
The artists have developed skills for a specific workflow. This is essentially the same as blacksmiths moving to CNC machining. One is a manual labor skill, the other is computer work. The result is the same(ish), the work is completely different skillsets. This is why people fear losing jobs to automation, because manning automation systems is nothing like manual labor, and laborers often struggle to make that transition.
| @valico OH GEEZ YOU'RE SUCH A GENIUS! I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT THAT USING AI ART GENERATORS WERE A HIGH LEVEL SKILL THAT TAKES YEARS OF LEARNING!!!!  |
Currently Watching ☆ With You and the Rain ☆ Current Visual Novel ☆ The Colorful World ☆ |
| I think AI is a threat to humanity and should be dealt with accordingly. EXTERMINATION. Well, AI can be useful so maybe not total extermination. Just partial extermination. |
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@valico
OH GEEZ YOU'RE SUCH A GENIUS! I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT THAT USING AI ART GENERATORS WERE A HIGH LEVEL SKILL THAT TAKES YEARS OF LEARNING!!!!
OH GEEZ YOU'RE SUCH A GENIUS! I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT THAT USING AI ART GENERATORS WERE A HIGH LEVEL SKILL THAT TAKES YEARS OF LEARNING!!!!
| @RushingSugar CAD/CNC is not a high level skill either. But I'm certain many blacksmiths and/or carpenters would struggle to adjust their mindset to adapt to the new technology, which would obviously create some anxiety about being phased out of your realm of expertise. I'm not saying people can't or won't adapt, but that struggle is naturally going to generate some fear of becoming obsolete. It's just normal. Also, this kind of technological development typically reduces the number of jobs in an industry, which means if every artist becomes proficient in AI generation workflows, they still likely wont all have a position to fill. |
Reply to RushingSugar
If AI is taking their jobs, why can't they use AI to keep their jobs????????????????????????????????????????????
| @RushingSugar Yeah, sounds like a skill issue. Ironically, that kind of arguments I saw quite often coming from Internet digital artists mocking traditional technique artists who refused, from various reasons, to switch into digital. xD |
| @deg it's either that or no pay, no hours and no royalties either way, so it's a pick your poison situation in which you choose the lesser of two evils. |
Reply to RushingSugar
If AI is taking their jobs, why can't they use AI to keep their jobs????????????????????????????????????????????
| @RushingSugar Because then what's the point? That's the same amount of stimulation as being a cashier at a store. |
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| AI is at best a threat to really bad artists, the rest may just want to incorporate it into their workflow. deg said: thoughts? universal basic income by robot tax and wealth tax is the way Sneakily throwing in some economic misinformation into anime discussion are we? |
*:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧May the winds of change transform you entirely.*:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧ |
Reply to RushingSugar
If AI is taking their jobs, why can't they use AI to keep their jobs????????????????????????????????????????????
| @RushingSugar That doesn't make any sense. The fear of AI is that its purpose/end result will be saving money for companies by replacing people. They don't need to pay artists any more, because they can just have AI generate what they need. How would an artist switching to AI solve that? The problem is that they aren't paying artists in the first place, whether that artist uses AI now or not is irrelevant. Like, if you work at a software company, and they lay off half their staff because they think they don't need as many people now that their employees will be more efficient using AI, then AI is going to have taken half those people's jobs even though they were using AI. |
| Mangaka should better learn how to train AI so that they can make it draw with their individual art styles. They still need to draw themselves to feed the AI with training data, just less overall so they can focus more on other aspects. |
*kappa* |
| AI appears to be a serious threat to rationality and reasoning ability when the replacement is failing to replace the replaced. |
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@RushingSugar
That doesn't make any sense. The fear of AI is that its purpose/end result will be saving money for companies by replacing people. They don't need to pay artists any more, because they can just have AI generate what they need. How would an artist switching to AI solve that? The problem is that they aren't paying artists in the first place, whether that artist uses AI now or not is irrelevant.
Like, if you work at a software company, and they lay off half their staff because they think they don't need as many people now that their employees will be more efficient using AI, then AI is going to have taken half those people's jobs even though they were using AI.
That doesn't make any sense. The fear of AI is that its purpose/end result will be saving money for companies by replacing people. They don't need to pay artists any more, because they can just have AI generate what they need. How would an artist switching to AI solve that? The problem is that they aren't paying artists in the first place, whether that artist uses AI now or not is irrelevant.
Like, if you work at a software company, and they lay off half their staff because they think they don't need as many people now that their employees will be more efficient using AI, then AI is going to have taken half those people's jobs even though they were using AI.
| @Saku_k AI *might* make people a bit more efficient, I don't know about art but as far as programming goes, debugging AI code is harder than typing in your own code. AI speeds up the one part that takes physical effort, but then good luck maintaining a vibe coded code base. Companies that laid of programmers citing AI ended up rehiring a bunch of people, mostly cheap labour from India... And there is a very problematic trend of corporate cost cutting at the cost of their product quality, that will come back to bite them in the long run. |
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Reply to Zarutaku
Mangaka should better learn how to train AI so that they can make it draw with their individual art styles.
They still need to draw themselves to feed the AI with training data, just less overall so they can focus more on other aspects.
They still need to draw themselves to feed the AI with training data, just less overall so they can focus more on other aspects.
| @Zarutaku Artists would need to fix up the parts where AI messes up, that might take longer than just doing in by hand. |
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@JaniSIr A well-trained competent AI wouldn't mess up that much.
| @Zarutaku At this point that's not a thing outside of marketing, where the CEO begs for more investor money. There are rumors that OpenAI will run out of money in 2027 without new investors, because they can't monetize their AI hard enough to be self sufficient. |
*:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧May the winds of change transform you entirely.*:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧ |
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@Zarutaku At this point that's not a thing outside of marketing, where the CEO begs for more investor money.
There are rumors that OpenAI will run out of money in 2027 without new investors, because they can't monetize their AI hard enough to be self sufficient.
There are rumors that OpenAI will run out of money in 2027 without new investors, because they can't monetize their AI hard enough to be self sufficient.
JaniSIr said: At this point that's not a thing Maybe, but it's a foreseeable development. |
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Reply to Zarutaku
JaniSIr said:
At this point that's not a thing
At this point that's not a thing
Maybe, but it's a foreseeable development.
| @Zarutaku Another possibility is that AI generated slop gets mixed into the training data, and the models start to deteriorate... |
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| In the future, where AI gets good enough for that to be a thing, maybe. Currently, I'd say the bigger threat are older works. Back in the days of books, when an old book was out of print it became inaccessible. Someone had to reprint it. With cinema, if a movie had it's run you were never going to see it again, ever. This only changed in the early 1980s, when home video became affordable. But even then, it only got into the territory of books. After a while, there was just no way to buy the old stuff unless someone bothered to release a new version. But now, we have more and more of that older stuff accessible. Especially the really good works. So now, when someone releases something new they not only compete with whatever else is new, but also with all the old masterpieces, that are still easily accessible. |
| 89% of people who became what they are because they can't do anything in their life other than vomiting their badly drawn, badly written shit on paper consider AI a threat to their non-career My thought is if you're really good at your work no AI will ever sobstitute you, like no other person will sobstitute you and you will keep being untouched and beloved the same. If you feel threatened the problem is on you alone, not on AI or any other scapegoat. |
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