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Aug 28, 2017 7:06 AM
#1151
logic340 said: snip I don't think I can hold that reasoning against you but I feel it would've been a much better choice to leave reiyii till the next day and lynch someone else. if Abu really is miller town has the worst read possible in this game. |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:07 AM
#1152
logic340 said: RE1031 said: My issue with this is that is a cool line of thinking for players like me, you, Togs, people who have played with grrr, but you cannot hold Amai to the same line of thinking. This is flawed reasoning that has been pointed out by Togs and I both to you and you are still using it?logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:18 AM
#1153
RE1031 said: I really don't want to take meta reads at face value because you guys have biased reads at times. Have you ever thought that new eyes can catch something you miss? Amai_yume said: I have class and work today expect little activity from me today. We need to look more at Conq because I don't really like how you all suspected him and now he's apparently not even worth looking at. It's players like those that I believe need to be double checked after two mislynches. I've already explained why he's probably not scum. The way the votes played out day 1 where he didn't vote in self defense is so unlikely for scum. Specify which players. Going to have to reread the posts where he talked about SK, cause I honestly don't remember. |
Aug 28, 2017 7:20 AM
#1154
TheConquerer said: Had I had ample time to think about that I might have come to that conclusion but Reiynii claimed inside the last 15 minutes I believe. As town we have to do better about helping each other to make the best possible decision. She should have claimed when I started asking 1 hour before phase change. Instead I get met with you are role fishing when I am trying to ensure shit like EoD2 doesn't happen. So if people are leading the vote with a good number of votes due to time zones and shit it may be a good idea to claim a little earlier than say the last minute?logic340 said: snip I don't think I can hold that reasoning against you but I feel it would've been a much better choice to leave reiyii till the next day and lynch someone else. if Abu really is miller town has the worst read possible in this game. |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:21 AM
#1155
Amai_yume said: RE1031 said: I really don't want to take meta reads at face value because you guys have biased reads at times. Have you ever thought that new eyes can catch something you miss? Amai_yume said: I have class and work today expect little activity from me today. We need to look more at Conq because I don't really like how you all suspected him and now he's apparently not even worth looking at. It's players like those that I believe need to be double checked after two mislynches. I've already explained why he's probably not scum. The way the votes played out day 1 where he didn't vote in self defense is so unlikely for scum. Specify which players. Going to have to reread the posts where he talked about SK, cause I honestly don't remember. I have literally never thought that. Maybe because in my early games here, I don't recall much game solving via meta... But. If it's not too much trouble, could you link the posts where TheConq talks about the SK? I'll go search for it if need be but I like camping out on the lazy pile. |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:22 AM
#1156
RE1031 said: No I don't I usually find a good reason to counter the townies who are scum reading him to pocket the anti-town player and the townies I am arguing with. Why? Because I don't have to lie in this situation he is town and the townies arguing he is scum are wrong. I have the high ground in the battle I can easily win because the person I am defending is town. Kind of like what you did in that situation. logic340 said: RE1031 said: logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:23 AM
#1157
RE1031 said: No I don't. I usually find a good reason to counter the townies who are scum reading him to pocket the anti-town player and the townies I am arguing with. Why? Because I don't have to lie in this situation he is town and the townies arguing he is scum are wrong. I have the high ground in the battle I can easily win because the person I am defending is town. Kind of like what you did in that situation. @Amai_yume and @Togslogic340 said: RE1031 said: logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:24 AM
#1158
logic340 said: RE1031 said: No I don't. I usually find a good reason to counter the townies who are scum reading him to pocket the anti-town player and the townies I am arguing with. Why? Because I don't have to lie in this situation he is town and the townies arguing he is scum are wrong. I have the high ground in the battle I can easily win because the person I am defending is town. Kind of like what you did in that situation. @Amai_yume and @Togslogic340 said: RE1031 said: My issue with this is that is a cool line of thinking for players like me, you, Togs, people who have played with grrr, but you cannot hold Amai to the same line of thinking. This is flawed reasoning that has been pointed out by Togs and I both to you and you are still using it?logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. So, I first pocket him, and then I kill him. |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:25 AM
#1159
logic340 said: RE1031 said: No I don't. I usually find a good reason to counter the townies who are scum reading him to pocket the anti-town player and the townies I am arguing with. Why? Because I don't have to lie in this situation he is town and the townies arguing he is scum are wrong. I have the high ground in the battle I can easily win because the person I am defending is town. Kind of like what you did in that situation. @Amai_yume and @Togslogic340 said: RE1031 said: My issue with this is that is a cool line of thinking for players like me, you, Togs, people who have played with grrr, but you cannot hold Amai to the same line of thinking. This is flawed reasoning that has been pointed out by Togs and I both to you and you are still using it?logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. |
Aug 28, 2017 7:27 AM
#1160
Amai_yume said: logic340 said: RE1031 said: logic340 said: If I was scum, I would probably do something similar to the Luna defense because people have trouble with that approach.RE1031 said: My issue with this is that is a cool line of thinking for players like me, you, Togs, people who have played with grrr, but you cannot hold Amai to the same line of thinking. This is flawed reasoning that has been pointed out by Togs and I both to you and you are still using it?logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. I remember you doing this in Vengeful mafia. lol... |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:28 AM
#1161
RE1031 said: Hypothetically speaking If you are the mafia you are not alone. So yes you could pocket him and one of your teammates could kill grrr. Don't act like one person makes all the decisions. It's a team game. This response serves no purpose it's wine so I answered with more wine.logic340 said: RE1031 said: logic340 said: RE1031 said: My issue with this is that is a cool line of thinking for players like me, you, Togs, people who have played with grrr, but you cannot hold Amai to the same line of thinking. This is flawed reasoning that has been pointed out by Togs and I both to you and you are still using it?logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. So, I first pocket him, and then I kill him. |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:29 AM
#1162
RE1031 said: Is that a sign of town amai then since they were town there? What is the reference in regard to?Amai_yume said: logic340 said: RE1031 said: No I don't. I usually find a good reason to counter the townies who are scum reading him to pocket the anti-town player and the townies I am arguing with. Why? Because I don't have to lie in this situation he is town and the townies arguing he is scum are wrong. I have the high ground in the battle I can easily win because the person I am defending is town. Kind of like what you did in that situation. @Amai_yume and @Togslogic340 said: If I was scum, I would probably do something similar to the Luna defense because people have trouble with that approach.RE1031 said: My issue with this is that is a cool line of thinking for players like me, you, Togs, people who have played with grrr, but you cannot hold Amai to the same line of thinking. This is flawed reasoning that has been pointed out by Togs and I both to you and you are still using it?logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. I remember you doing this in Vengeful mafia. lol... |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:30 AM
#1163
Amai_yume said: ^THISRE1031 said: I really don't want to take meta reads at face value because you guys have biased reads at times. Have you ever thought that new eyes can catch something you miss? Amai_yume said: I have class and work today expect little activity from me today. We need to look more at Conq because I don't really like how you all suspected him and now he's apparently not even worth looking at. It's players like those that I believe need to be double checked after two mislynches. I've already explained why he's probably not scum. The way the votes played out day 1 where he didn't vote in self defense is so unlikely for scum. Specify which players. Going to have to reread the posts where he talked about SK, cause I honestly don't remember. I was like that when I started. Though I am getting better at catching certain people I feel like I was better when I didn't have preconceived notions of certain people in my head. |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:32 AM
#1164
logic340 said: RE1031 said: Hypothetically speaking If you are the mafia you are not alone. So yes you could pocket him and one of your teammates could kill grrr. Don't act like one person makes all the decisions. It's a team game. This response serves no purpose it's wine so I answered with more wine.logic340 said: RE1031 said: No I don't. I usually find a good reason to counter the townies who are scum reading him to pocket the anti-town player and the townies I am arguing with. Why? Because I don't have to lie in this situation he is town and the townies arguing he is scum are wrong. I have the high ground in the battle I can easily win because the person I am defending is town. Kind of like what you did in that situation. @Amai_yume and @Togslogic340 said: RE1031 said: My issue with this is that is a cool line of thinking for players like me, you, Togs, people who have played with grrr, but you cannot hold Amai to the same line of thinking. This is flawed reasoning that has been pointed out by Togs and I both to you and you are still using it?logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. So, I first pocket him, and then I kill him. Then let me ask you this. HAS GRRR EVER BEEN POCKETED? And even before that. DO YOU SEE ME ATTEMPTING TO POCKET HIM? :) |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:33 AM
#1165
logic340 said: RE1031 said: Is that a sign of town amai then since they were town there? What is the reference in regard to?Amai_yume said: logic340 said: RE1031 said: No I don't. I usually find a good reason to counter the townies who are scum reading him to pocket the anti-town player and the townies I am arguing with. Why? Because I don't have to lie in this situation he is town and the townies arguing he is scum are wrong. I have the high ground in the battle I can easily win because the person I am defending is town. Kind of like what you did in that situation. @Amai_yume and @Togslogic340 said: If I was scum, I would probably do something similar to the Luna defense because people have trouble with that approach.RE1031 said: My issue with this is that is a cool line of thinking for players like me, you, Togs, people who have played with grrr, but you cannot hold Amai to the same line of thinking. This is flawed reasoning that has been pointed out by Togs and I both to you and you are still using it?logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. I remember you doing this in Vengeful mafia. lol... No, they accidentally wrote their response in one of the quotes. |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:34 AM
#1166
logic340 said: ironace said: I mean if this is all we are going to get out of you then maybe lynching you wouldn't have been a bad idea? Now let's talk about the game and moving forward with it. Of the people who suspect you or voted you D2 who do you think may be scum? Has your read on me changed any? Togs said: Man now I wish no one claimed at all and we just lynched Iron, at least we would have info of where to go next Your wouldn't have gotten anything useful from myou lynch. As you have said later on..you can see that labs has steeped on both days. I want either labs or yurkin on the stake tomorrow I still suspect that you may be fooling us all. But for now, I want labs and yurkin to be lynched.My reasons remain the same, though it seems like labs has shown some cooperation but im still not satisfied. |
Aug 28, 2017 7:34 AM
#1167
yurkin said: There is a term for what he is doing here but role fishing is not the proper one. theconp's #791 "and labs slipped my mind as well, i wonder if they're the vig and inactive since there was no vig kill" "otherwise maybe its abu since if its not an inactive a lack of vig kill was due to more methodological player. -whoah role fishing for real. Why searching so hard for the vig, if there is even such in the game, why try to identify the vig. I don't see revealing the power roles to be something possitive on the contraty - trying to find them is weird. And why someone would try to do it? Where is theconquirer motivation for searching for the pr and specificaly the vig is coming from ? I cant see town motivation in here. "amateurs" Is theconq an amateur player and dont know that about the town power roles? -"lack of vig kill" The kills are indistingtguishable from each others. How you came with that idea ? Why so sure its a mafia kill? How did you know its not a sk kill? You cant know these unless you are part of the informed minority. I can speculate roles all I want doesn't mean it is a fish. This is a problem I have with yurkin's misrepresentation of events is that all of you have ran with it. If you guys don't like him speculating who is what role then so be it but what is the scum motive of sharing that in the threads when scum would be better keeping that knowledge to themselves? So I see this is bad shading from yurkin more than anything wrong with what the conquerer said. |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:38 AM
#1168
RE1031 said: logic340 said: RE1031 said: logic340 said: RE1031 said: No I don't. I usually find a good reason to counter the townies who are scum reading him to pocket the anti-town player and the townies I am arguing with. Why? Because I don't have to lie in this situation he is town and the townies arguing he is scum are wrong. I have the high ground in the battle I can easily win because the person I am defending is town. Kind of like what you did in that situation. @Amai_yume and @Togslogic340 said: RE1031 said: My issue with this is that is a cool line of thinking for players like me, you, Togs, people who have played with grrr, but you cannot hold Amai to the same line of thinking. This is flawed reasoning that has been pointed out by Togs and I both to you and you are still using it?logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. So, I first pocket him, and then I kill him. Then let me ask you this. HAS GRRR EVER BEEN POCKETED? And even before that. DO YOU SEE ME ATTEMPTING TO POCKET HIM? :) 1. I wouldn't know the answer to this. I am sure we have all be pocketed before. 2. It appears that it could be an attempt to yes but I am not certain as I am wrestling with how I feel about your alignment. |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:39 AM
#1169
ironace said: What do you make of my role blocker claim? logic340 said: ironace said: Togs said: Man now I wish no one claimed at all and we just lynched Iron, at least we would have info of where to go next Your wouldn't have gotten anything useful from myou lynch. As you have said later on..you can see that labs has steeped on both days. I want either labs or yurkin on the stake tomorrow I still suspect that you may be fooling us all. But for now, I want labs and yurkin to be lynched.My reasons remain the same, though it seems like labs has shown some cooperation but im still not satisfied. I will likely be killed tonight so when you see my flip will that change how you view other players? |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:42 AM
#1170
Amai_yume said: So in Eeveelution mafia the Luna got 5 votes from town D1 and lead with 4 votes two times. Are you suggesting something like that could have happened with you?logic340 said: RE1031 said: logic340 said: If I was scum, I would probably do something similar to the Luna defense because people have trouble with that approach.RE1031 said: My issue with this is that is a cool line of thinking for players like me, you, Togs, people who have played with grrr, but you cannot hold Amai to the same line of thinking. This is flawed reasoning that has been pointed out by Togs and I both to you and you are still using it?logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. |
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Aug 28, 2017 7:45 AM
#1171
RE1031 said: RIP bbcode I was in starbucks >.>Amai_yume said: logic340 said: RE1031 said: No I don't. I usually find a good reason to counter the townies who are scum reading him to pocket the anti-town player and the townies I am arguing with. Why? Because I don't have to lie in this situation he is town and the townies arguing he is scum are wrong. I have the high ground in the battle I can easily win because the person I am defending is town. Kind of like what you did in that situation. @Amai_yume and @Togslogic340 said: If I was scum, I would probably do something similar to the Luna defense because people have trouble with that approach.RE1031 said: My issue with this is that is a cool line of thinking for players like me, you, Togs, people who have played with grrr, but you cannot hold Amai to the same line of thinking. This is flawed reasoning that has been pointed out by Togs and I both to you and you are still using it?logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. I remember you doing this in Vengeful mafia. lol... |
Aug 28, 2017 7:45 AM
#1172
logic340 said: I mean defend the slot of a misunderstood player. Amai_yume said: So in Eeveelution mafia the Luna got 5 votes from town D1 and lead with 4 votes two times. Are you suggesting something like that could have happened with you?logic340 said: RE1031 said: No I don't. I usually find a good reason to counter the townies who are scum reading him to pocket the anti-town player and the townies I am arguing with. Why? Because I don't have to lie in this situation he is town and the townies arguing he is scum are wrong. I have the high ground in the battle I can easily win because the person I am defending is town. Kind of like what you did in that situation. @Amai_yume and @Togslogic340 said: If I was scum, I would probably do something similar to the Luna defense because people have trouble with that approach.RE1031 said: My issue with this is that is a cool line of thinking for players like me, you, Togs, people who have played with grrr, but you cannot hold Amai to the same line of thinking. This is flawed reasoning that has been pointed out by Togs and I both to you and you are still using it?logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. |
Aug 28, 2017 7:48 AM
#1173
logic340 said: Speculating in a semi-open setup kind of benefits scum because they know their roles. All they need to is flip on PR to narrow down the role set.yurkin said: There is a term for what he is doing here but role fishing is not the proper one. theconp's #791 "and labs slipped my mind as well, i wonder if they're the vig and inactive since there was no vig kill" "otherwise maybe its abu since if its not an inactive a lack of vig kill was due to more methodological player. -whoah role fishing for real. Why searching so hard for the vig, if there is even such in the game, why try to identify the vig. I don't see revealing the power roles to be something possitive on the contraty - trying to find them is weird. And why someone would try to do it? Where is theconquirer motivation for searching for the pr and specificaly the vig is coming from ? I cant see town motivation in here. "amateurs" Is theconq an amateur player and dont know that about the town power roles? -"lack of vig kill" The kills are indistingtguishable from each others. How you came with that idea ? Why so sure its a mafia kill? How did you know its not a sk kill? You cant know these unless you are part of the informed minority. I can speculate roles all I want doesn't mean it is a fish. This is a problem I have with yurkin's misrepresentation of events is that all of you have ran with it. If you guys don't like him speculating who is what role then so be it but what is the scum motive of sharing that in the threads when scum would be better keeping that knowledge to themselves? So I see this is bad shading from yurkin more than anything wrong with what the conquerer said. |
Aug 28, 2017 7:52 AM
#1174
Amai_yume said: logic340 said: I mean defend the slot of a misunderstood player. Amai_yume said: logic340 said: RE1031 said: No I don't. I usually find a good reason to counter the townies who are scum reading him to pocket the anti-town player and the townies I am arguing with. Why? Because I don't have to lie in this situation he is town and the townies arguing he is scum are wrong. I have the high ground in the battle I can easily win because the person I am defending is town. Kind of like what you did in that situation. @Amai_yume and @Togslogic340 said: If I was scum, I would probably do something similar to the Luna defense because people have trouble with that approach.RE1031 said: My issue with this is that is a cool line of thinking for players like me, you, Togs, people who have played with grrr, but you cannot hold Amai to the same line of thinking. This is flawed reasoning that has been pointed out by Togs and I both to you and you are still using it?logic340 said: @Togs a big part of my issue with RE is her push to lynch Amai no matter what others said for Amai pushing grrr. Could town anyone have that good a read on grrr early D1 that Amai has to be scum for taking the position they did, never having played with grrr before and coming form a different meta? Seem like an easy place to hide a bad vote if you ask me. As is grrr. Or at least the easiest place ever to have your suspicions camped. You start playing a game as scum. You see a guy clearly being anti-town. Do you not target him? You don't need to know grrr has a history of being like this for this to be the case. I would say Luna and grrr are infinitely different types of players. The only time I've seen grrr be defended was by lastwhisper in The Morning After, other than that, I don't see the benefit to scum in defending him. |
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Aug 28, 2017 8:50 AM
#1175
Amai_yume said: So they had that with grrr's flip and I am not sure how TheConq speculating over a vig or Sk changes any of that?logic340 said: Speculating in a semi-open setup kind of benefits scum because they know their roles. All they need to is flip on PR to narrow down the role set.yurkin said: theconp's #791 "and labs slipped my mind as well, i wonder if they're the vig and inactive since there was no vig kill" "otherwise maybe its abu since if its not an inactive a lack of vig kill was due to more methodological player. -whoah role fishing for real. Why searching so hard for the vig, if there is even such in the game, why try to identify the vig. I don't see revealing the power roles to be something possitive on the contraty - trying to find them is weird. And why someone would try to do it? Where is theconquirer motivation for searching for the pr and specificaly the vig is coming from ? I cant see town motivation in here. "amateurs" Is theconq an amateur player and dont know that about the town power roles? -"lack of vig kill" The kills are indistingtguishable from each others. How you came with that idea ? Why so sure its a mafia kill? How did you know its not a sk kill? You cant know these unless you are part of the informed minority. I can speculate roles all I want doesn't mean it is a fish. This is a problem I have with yurkin's misrepresentation of events is that all of you have ran with it. If you guys don't like him speculating who is what role then so be it but what is the scum motive of sharing that in the threads when scum would be better keeping that knowledge to themselves? So I see this is bad shading from yurkin more than anything wrong with what the conquerer said. |
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Aug 28, 2017 8:50 AM
#1176
Amai_yume said: So they had that with grrr's flip and I am not sure how TheConq speculating over a vig or Sk changes any of that?logic340 said: Speculating in a semi-open setup kind of benefits scum because they know their roles. All they need to is flip on PR to narrow down the role set.yurkin said: theconp's #791 "and labs slipped my mind as well, i wonder if they're the vig and inactive since there was no vig kill" "otherwise maybe its abu since if its not an inactive a lack of vig kill was due to more methodological player. -whoah role fishing for real. Why searching so hard for the vig, if there is even such in the game, why try to identify the vig. I don't see revealing the power roles to be something possitive on the contraty - trying to find them is weird. And why someone would try to do it? Where is theconquirer motivation for searching for the pr and specificaly the vig is coming from ? I cant see town motivation in here. "amateurs" Is theconq an amateur player and dont know that about the town power roles? -"lack of vig kill" The kills are indistingtguishable from each others. How you came with that idea ? Why so sure its a mafia kill? How did you know its not a sk kill? You cant know these unless you are part of the informed minority. I can speculate roles all I want doesn't mean it is a fish. This is a problem I have with yurkin's misrepresentation of events is that all of you have ran with it. If you guys don't like him speculating who is what role then so be it but what is the scum motive of sharing that in the threads when scum would be better keeping that knowledge to themselves? So I see this is bad shading from yurkin more than anything wrong with what the conquerer said. |
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Aug 28, 2017 8:50 AM
#1177
Amai_yume said: So they had that with grrr's flip and I am not sure how TheConq speculating over a vig or Sk changes any of that?logic340 said: Speculating in a semi-open setup kind of benefits scum because they know their roles. All they need to is flip on PR to narrow down the role set.yurkin said: theconp's #791 "and labs slipped my mind as well, i wonder if they're the vig and inactive since there was no vig kill" "otherwise maybe its abu since if its not an inactive a lack of vig kill was due to more methodological player. -whoah role fishing for real. Why searching so hard for the vig, if there is even such in the game, why try to identify the vig. I don't see revealing the power roles to be something possitive on the contraty - trying to find them is weird. And why someone would try to do it? Where is theconquirer motivation for searching for the pr and specificaly the vig is coming from ? I cant see town motivation in here. "amateurs" Is theconq an amateur player and dont know that about the town power roles? -"lack of vig kill" The kills are indistingtguishable from each others. How you came with that idea ? Why so sure its a mafia kill? How did you know its not a sk kill? You cant know these unless you are part of the informed minority. I can speculate roles all I want doesn't mean it is a fish. This is a problem I have with yurkin's misrepresentation of events is that all of you have ran with it. If you guys don't like him speculating who is what role then so be it but what is the scum motive of sharing that in the threads when scum would be better keeping that knowledge to themselves? So I see this is bad shading from yurkin more than anything wrong with what the conquerer said. |
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Aug 28, 2017 9:13 AM
#1178
@TheConquerer If the phase started right now who would you vote for and why? @Floofs are you still petitioning for my lynch today? @AbuHumaid I need to look closer at your posts but are you implementing what you have learned form the logic school of mafia? @RE1031 I am really not comfortable with you, can you remember the last time that was in a game? I cannot we usually make a good little team. Even when I figured you out in TMA it took 3 days. Not sure why I feel this way. @Togs thoughts on yurkin her? @Amai-yume you have a fresh set of eyes and an unbiased view. Your thoughts on Labs? @AlbertinoDias I am really liking what I am seeing from you here. What are your thoughts on the reiynii train. @yurkin thoughts on ironace? @ironace I hope you will be able to post more content today. @Labs do you scum read Togs? |
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Aug 28, 2017 9:37 AM
#1179
Probably yurkin or labs, I don't really get town vibes of either,also depending on what happens tonight I might look at other people. when day comes I'll reread yesterday and see what I can discern. |
I've been here way too long... |
Aug 28, 2017 9:41 AM
#1180
Amai_yume (5): RE1031, ironace, Labs, Floofs, grrr TheConquerer (5): yurkin, AbuHumaid, Togs, logic340, Amai_yume Togs (2): TheConquerer, AlbertinoDias AbuHumaid (1): reiynii Players not voting: Mod Notes: Tied votes will result in no lynch on Day 1. Luna said: reiynii (6): Labs, AbuHumaid, logic340, Amai_yume, Togs, TheConquerer AbuHumaid (3): reiynii, RE1031, AlbertinoDias yurkin (1): ironace ironace (1): yurkin logic340(1): Floofs Players not voting: |
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Aug 28, 2017 9:43 AM
#1181
TheConquerer said: are there any other thoughts you would like to share?Probably yurkin or labs, I don't really get town vibes of either,also depending on what happens tonight I might look at other people. when day comes I'll reread yesterday and see what I can discern. Maybe why labs or yurkin would get your vote? Also if you really are town a little more content might go a long way to keeping the mafia from making an easy push on you? |
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Aug 28, 2017 10:12 AM
#1182
ironace said: logic340 said: I still suspect that you may be fooling us all.ironace said: Togs said: Your wouldn't have gotten anything useful from myou lynch.Man now I wish no one claimed at all and we just lynched Iron, at least we would have info of where to go next As you have said later on..you can see that labs has steeped on both days. I want either labs or yurkin on the stake tomorrow But for now, I want Labs and yurkin to be lynched. My reasons remain the same, though it seems like labs has shown some cooperation but im still not satisfied. TheConquerer said: Probably yurkin or labs, I don't really get town vibes of either,also depending on what happens tonight I might look at other people. when day comes I'll reread yesterday and see what I can discern. |
logic340Aug 28, 2017 10:18 AM
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Aug 28, 2017 10:14 AM
#1183
logic340 said: TheConquerer said: are there any other thoughts you would like to share?Probably yurkin or labs, I don't really get town vibes of either,also depending on what happens tonight I might look at other people. when day comes I'll reread yesterday and see what I can discern. Maybe why labs or yurkin would get your vote? Also if you really are town a little more content might go a long way to keeping the mafia from making an easy push on you? Not really, my vote on yurkin from yesterday has just carried over to today. As for labs, I haven' seen much from them apart from their vote on reiyiin which they left and seemingly never returned to. |
I've been here way too long... |
Aug 28, 2017 10:16 AM
#1184
logic340 said: ironace said: logic340 said: ironace said: I mean if this is all we are going to get out of you then maybe lynching you wouldn't have been a bad idea? Now let's talk about the game and moving forward with it. Of the people who suspect you or voted you D2 who do you think may be scum? Has your read on me changed any? Togs said: Your wouldn't have gotten anything useful from myou lynch.Man now I wish no one claimed at all and we just lynched Iron, at least we would have info of where to go next As you have said later on..you can see that labs has steeped on both days. I want either labs or yurkin on the stake tomorrow But for now, I want labs and yurkin to be lynched. My reasons remain the same, though it seems like labs has shown some cooperation but im still not satisfied. TheConquerer said: Probably yurkin or labs, I don't really get town vibes of either,also depending on what happens tonight I might look at other people. when day comes I'll reread yesterday and see what I can discern. Didn't notice that, I'd argue ironace is copying me though, my targeting of yurkin was there way before his. |
I've been here way too long... |
Aug 28, 2017 10:19 AM
#1185
TheConquerer said: So reiynii's flip doesn't change the way you feel about anyone?logic340 said: TheConquerer said: Probably yurkin or labs, I don't really get town vibes of either,also depending on what happens tonight I might look at other people. when day comes I'll reread yesterday and see what I can discern. Maybe why labs or yurkin would get your vote? Also if you really are town a little more content might go a long way to keeping the mafia from making an easy push on you? Not really, my vote on yurkin from yesterday has just carried over to today. As for labs, I haven' seen much from them apart from their vote on reiyiin which they left and seemingly never returned to. TheConquerer said: just an observation....lol logic340 said: ironace said: logic340 said: I still suspect that you may be fooling us all.ironace said: I mean if this is all we are going to get out of you then maybe lynching you wouldn't have been a bad idea? Now let's talk about the game and moving forward with it. Of the people who suspect you or voted you D2 who do you think may be scum? Has your read on me changed any? Togs said: Your wouldn't have gotten anything useful from myou lynch.Man now I wish no one claimed at all and we just lynched Iron, at least we would have info of where to go next As you have said later on..you can see that labs has steeped on both days. I want either labs or yurkin on the stake tomorrow But for now, I want labs and yurkin to be lynched. My reasons remain the same, though it seems like labs has shown some cooperation but im still not satisfied. TheConquerer said: Probably yurkin or labs, I don't really get town vibes of either,also depending on what happens tonight I might look at other people. when day comes I'll reread yesterday and see what I can discern. Didn't notice that, I'd argue ironace is copying me though, my targeting of yurkin was there way before his. Probably means you guys aren't a team if anything can be gleaned from it |
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Aug 28, 2017 10:29 AM
#1186
there's not much to speculate in the mechanics... logic was also RB, since Grave confirmed us he wouldn't know that, i think the mafia RB him, since Grr died, that way what logic said at the beginning of day 2 (this was to frame me, or something) is true... and we can have a better view of logic, he did that thing with Grrr and now, he wanted to save reiynii (labs, i know what you want to say when "logic was already preparing everything for the reveal") this is the only thing i can think about the mechanics... this way reiynii told us the truth.... if some of you do not want to believe this, you only have one option, believe that logic lied for the 2º time, and lynch him.... and with that lose a great asset to town.... we have much information, i think that we should start to put Abu in the pedestal and do an "early vote" in order to get things going quicker, it's all my fault for a bit of a lack of posts but we need to get something from night 2 and not "waste it" like night 1 (i mean more dialog, night 1 was horrible) since we can talk during nights, i think Abu matter should be resolved here and now, so we can use all day 3 to find other scum But, i would also like to know your opinion, speculating in the roles, is it good or bad?? and why?? About the Reiynii train, there is at least 1 scum there, Amai is most likely town togs could be one because this is his vote: I'm down for going down this route. Even if Reiynii is lying we caught scum either way but then there's this.... I trust Logic way more and he gains nothing from lying unlike Rei. adding up the timing and all that reasoning he did... i don't know why would he change his vote from Abu to rayinii... (unless he knew he was going to flip scum and had a change to get one extra day...) labs and the conquerer missing. i don't really buy what labs said in response to the blank vote in me, and she voted again like this #884 Blank looking vote, koz it's clean.... though I hope reading for once clears up at least the general idea for why said vote is in play. Vote: reiynii so out of the 3 left i think those 2 are the best option.... still going to look into TQ |
Aug 28, 2017 12:01 PM
#1187
Day 3 Another tarot card flipped. The moon, bringer of night! "The Night Summons like an unquenched love beckoning with the promise of dark desire." Mused the enchantress to herself before setting out to find what she desired the most. A few others possessed dark desires, made their move under the shadow of night. The teachers who set out to look for the chamber and the principal returned in the early morning. They were greeted by the sorrowful sight of their fallen colleagues. logic340 - Croix Meridies (Town Roleblocker) was killed Amai_yume - Anne Finnelan (Unaware Miller) was killed ●▬▬▬▬▬๑۩۩๑▬▬▬▬▬● Players List:
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Aug 28, 2017 12:10 PM
#1188
Well, we're screwed |
Aug 28, 2017 12:13 PM
#1189
##vote: AbuHumaid There are other things to sort out but this is where I want to lynch first. |
Aug 28, 2017 12:14 PM
#1190
BRB... it's unfortunate logic died :/ but now we know there is a VIG or a SK... Vote Abuhumaid .... besides him, who do you guys think was scum in that train?? |
Aug 28, 2017 12:15 PM
#1191
Togs said: wait what? So you're lynching me for information?##vote: AbuHumaid There are other things to sort out but this is where I want to lynch first. |
Aug 28, 2017 12:15 PM
#1192
AbuHumaid said: You seem to me to be the most screwed right now, in specific.Well, we're screwed |
Aug 28, 2017 12:17 PM
#1194
You know what? Fuck it Vote: AbuHumaid Let's hope this lynch helps my townie comrades |
Aug 28, 2017 12:17 PM
#1195
AbuHumaid said: I'm voting to lynch you because:Togs said: wait what? So you're lynching me for information?##vote: AbuHumaid There are other things to sort out but this is where I want to lynch first. 1. Occam's razor says the guy with a cop result on him is probably scum 2. Amai just flipped a miller, which I'm pretty sure makes it even less likely that you are one 3. I'm haven't done the mylo/lylo calcs yet but I'm pretty sure if there's an SK in the setup we really need to hit scum toDay |
Aug 28, 2017 12:19 PM
#1196
Togs said: there's still a chance there two millers but fineAbuHumaid said: I'm voting to lynch you because:Togs said: ##vote: AbuHumaid There are other things to sort out but this is where I want to lynch first. 1. Occam's razor says the guy with a cop result on him is probably scum 2. Amai just flipped a miller, which I'm pretty sure makes it even less likely that you are one 3. I'm haven't done the mylo/lylo calcs yet but I'm pretty sure if there's an SK in the setup we really need to hit scum toDay |
Aug 28, 2017 12:20 PM
#1197
AbuHumaid (3): Togs, AlbertinoDias, AbuHumaid Players not voting: ironace, RE1031, TheConquerer, yurkin, Floofs, Labs Mod Notes: ~ |
Aug 28, 2017 12:22 PM
#1198
If there is an SK: D1: 9/3/1 D2: 8/3/1 D3: 5/3/1 -assume a mislynch and 1 kill- D4: 3/3/1 No SK: D1: 10/3 D2: 9/3 D3: 6/3 -assume a mislynch and 1 kill- D4: 4/3 OK, actually we aren’t in mylo or lylo, we can still afford 1 mislynch regardless of whether an SK exists or not ASSUMING that there is 1 kill the next Night. If the SK or Vig hits a townie again after a mislynch, we lose. |
Aug 28, 2017 12:23 PM
#1199
There doesn't seem to be any other explanation that I can see which defends Abu vote Abu |
I've been here way too long... |
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