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| Like most anime, this smooths over the rough edges and fills in the holes of the slop garbage the source material is. In this case the light novel is so abysmally bad that I'm not holding out too much hope to make this show decent. At least it's not as appallingly bad as the source. I don't know why they didn't just make an original show, it would be less work than they had to do to fix this. |
| it was kinda hot when she got tortured, hopefully she will go full keyaru on them |
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| So... is this really a revenge genre? I don't see Flum blaming her party, like at all. It's more like she's accepting her fate for being a burden. She looks like she's trying to move on after she knows how her power works. Curious how much debuff she can stack along the way. |
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Phantom_373 said: The hero's party all except for that dude and Cyril seemed to be unaware about Flum being sold to slaves. Even though Cyril clearly regrets or feels bad about it like come on at this point you can't take back what you done so those two deserve to have some kind of punishment. It may have been poorly communicated but Cyril does NOT know that Flum was sold into slavery. This is an important detail because it's an important plot point for Cyril's development much later on. CottonModem said: This was disappointing on basically every level. The OP is another case of "I like the band but don't like the song". The action shied away from showing anything and just presented stray eyeballs and pools of blood. The slave trader's death wasn't satisfying and contributed to the feeling it's all being rushed. I see comments from source readers confirming my suspicion that it's a bad adaptation. Even the voice acting often didn't feel like it matched the characters. I'm going to stick with it though, in the name of (girls') love. Try the LN. It doesn't shy away from describing some very brutal things. That includes the slave trader's death. Mirality said: Why doesn't OP regen magic erase the slave brand? It should be considered an injury just like a sword cut. The slave brand was actually magically treated to be completely permanent. It's directly addressed in the LN. |
| yes yes , this show for me is good to watch |
| Probably already my favorite this season, along with Eris no Seihai (already eyeing novels for both). Everyone is a scum around you and you have to survive, one of my most favorite unexplored genres. |
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Phantom_373 said:
The hero's party all except for that dude and Cyril seemed to be unaware about Flum being sold to slaves. Even though Cyril clearly regrets or feels bad about it like come on at this point you can't take back what you done so those two deserve to have some kind of punishment.
The hero's party all except for that dude and Cyril seemed to be unaware about Flum being sold to slaves. Even though Cyril clearly regrets or feels bad about it like come on at this point you can't take back what you done so those two deserve to have some kind of punishment.
It may have been poorly communicated but Cyril does NOT know that Flum was sold into slavery. This is an important detail because it's an important plot point for Cyril's development much later on.
CottonModem said:
This was disappointing on basically every level. The OP is another case of "I like the band but don't like the song". The action shied away from showing anything and just presented stray eyeballs and pools of blood. The slave trader's death wasn't satisfying and contributed to the feeling it's all being rushed. I see comments from source readers confirming my suspicion that it's a bad adaptation. Even the voice acting often didn't feel like it matched the characters. I'm going to stick with it though, in the name of (girls') love.
This was disappointing on basically every level. The OP is another case of "I like the band but don't like the song". The action shied away from showing anything and just presented stray eyeballs and pools of blood. The slave trader's death wasn't satisfying and contributed to the feeling it's all being rushed. I see comments from source readers confirming my suspicion that it's a bad adaptation. Even the voice acting often didn't feel like it matched the characters. I'm going to stick with it though, in the name of (girls') love.
Try the LN. It doesn't shy away from describing some very brutal things. That includes the slave trader's death.
Mirality said:
Why doesn't OP regen magic erase the slave brand? It should be considered an injury just like a sword cut.
Why doesn't OP regen magic erase the slave brand? It should be considered an injury just like a sword cut.
The slave brand was actually magically treated to be completely permanent. It's directly addressed in the LN.
| @Alice3173 Ah okay I appreciate the clarification on that, so like to what level does she know about what happened? Is she just unaware like everyone else? I don't really mind minor spoilers |
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@Alice3173 Ah okay I appreciate the clarification on that, so like to what level does she know about what happened? Is she just unaware like everyone else? I don't really mind minor spoilers
Phantom_373 said: @Alice3173 Ah okay I appreciate the clarification on that, so like to what level does she know about what happened? Is she just unaware like everyone else? I don't really mind minor spoilers Spoiler tagged for what I imagine are obvious reasons. And much more major spoilers about it that are far enough in the future that they're unlikely to appear in the anime: |
| clevatess type vibes. |
| Came to check this out because it had yuri in the tags and I generally like dark fantasy. However the first episode was extreme levels of cringe.
Honestly the only redeeming quality that I can think of here, is that it was so trashy it was somewhat entertaining. I haven't seen something this trashy in a while. I'm not holding out for yuri because I can bet it's gonna be horribly written. And author seems to confuse dark with edgy. |
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| Nothing spectacular about this episode, it was generic, despite the mild gore. Let's see how the next ones will be. |
| hello, just a brazilian boy who likes anime |
| Oh noooo! A generic fantasy set-up that horny MAL teens can't self-insert. I'm so sad for you. ;) It has been a hot minute since we got an edgy yuri anime. I don't have high expectations for the writing/story or anything, but should be enjoyable enough. |
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Deansdale said: It's childish writing when almost all characters/NPCs around the protagonist are cartoonishly evil for absolutely no reason. That's not how you create a "dark" setting. Randomly giving the antagonist a magic item that turns her from the weakest to the strongest is also pretty tropey and a sign of immature writing. True. Also general logic is non-existent here: Who on their sane mind would sent 0-stats civilian teenager girl to a demon-slaying mission within "hero's party"? Or if her "skill" was that important why noone taught her how to use it, or tried to investigate her disappearance afterwards? Or why would any remotely competent slave merchant kept slaves+ghouls+cursed weapon together or stayed alone with them? etc, etc. Gore alone won't make the anime good or cover flaws in writing imo. |
nick_el_sonJan 10, 5:43 AM
| If I had a nickel for every time a dark fantasy story with girls love themes with a metal af opening showing the on the ground MC stabbed with a blade and in a decomposed corpse state, and endless slaughter, I would have two nickels, which isn't much. So we need more. Unf I share the sentiment of some ppl in this topic a little bit. Hope this becomes more ruthless from that moment on. Also why doesn't MC scar her slave mark with the cursed sword so the skin heals without it? Why keep a slave mark on your face, you are becoming a magnet for bullies (see dudes on the street bumping her and then maniacally laughing around her for no effin reason lol) Also I hope we get to see below those bandages for the other female lead. Even if she remains somewhat scarred. |
| bruh |
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@Jebidor this isn't the first yuri of the season this is the 3rd the first is the sequel to There's No Freaking Way I'll be Your Lover! Unless... the second is Does It Count If You Lose Your Innocence to an Android? so this makes the third.
| @LilyBlueCat ? sequel did not count, but this air from Jan 9 and that Android show air from Jan 10, which makes this show the first and you still? well ... whatever, yes, this is the third. @Sheol01 Sheol01 said: Don't think this is yuri at all. Looks like straight up Dark Fantasy. Which has always been my Cup of Tea. Bring it On! Hopefully we'll some nice revenge on that worthless Sage. hear hear, feel free to enjoy it. no need to tell me your cup of shit. |
| This is the most limp-wristed revenge story I think I've ever encountered. Flum is betrayed and sold into slavery but rather let that get her down she picks up the cursed sword and slays with a smile. Please, if she had been bitter and vowed vengeance it could have been something. But that would involve some competent writing. I don't think it is worth continuing at this point. I am utterly disappointed. edit: reading through the comments I have come to the conclusion that this anime adaption is the end result of a game of telephone. Apparently the light novel is really good and the reader spends a lot of time in Flum's head reading her inner monologue. But in the manga adaptation a lot of that dialogue was left out. I can only assume the script for the anime was adapted from the manga and yet more important details left out and this is the end result. |
pixelanteJan 10, 6:03 AM
| I think that she's actually not a hero from the start but have a trait to use cursed item :) |
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on Electromistress said: Why is there a Stats UI that you can just bring up? Is this a videogame? Why can't we just have regular fantasy? This is immersion breaking. I'm not going to go into details because it's an extremely major spoiler but there actually is a reason for it. That said, the LN has only just started touching on it (only mostly in light hints, though I haven't gotten around to reading the latest volume yet so I can't speak for whether it's more directly addressed there) in the latest volumes so it's not going to be explained in the anime. pixelante said: This is the most limp-wristed revenge story I think I've ever encountered. Flum is betrayed and sold into slavery but rather let that get her down she picks up the cursed sword and slays with a smile. Please, if she had been bitter and vowed vengeance it could have been something. But that would involve some competent writing. I don't think it is worth continuing at this point. I am utterly disappointed. edit: reading through the comments I have come to the conclusion that this anime adaption is the end result of a game of telephone. Apparently the light novel is really good and the reader spends a lot of time in Flum's head reading her inner monologue. But in the manga adaptation a lot of that dialogue was left out. I can only assume the script for the anime was adapted from the manga and yet more important details left out and this is the end result. Flum's optimism is a major part of her characterization. And it's precisely because we get her inner monologue in the LN that it's so much better there. That said, I wouldn't judge the series off just the first episode. I'm not sure where the first season will end but we should get a number of scenes that will show that Flum was far from unaffected by Jean's betrayal and her treatment at the slave trader's hands. If the anime goes to the point I'm hoping it will, we'll see one of her most brutal kills, though dumbed down and somewhat censored due to anime standards. Edit: nick_el_son said: Also general logic is non-existent here: Who on their sane mind would sent 0-stats civilian teenager girl to a demon-slaying mission within "hero's party"? Or if her "skill" was that important why noone taught her how to use it, or tried to investigate her disappearance afterwards? Actually, it's not non-existent. These things will be explained in the future but they're tied to the core storyline that the first episode wasn't able to start establishing. Though one major part of the explanation is unlikely to make it into the anime simply by virtue of being fairly far into the story. It only even showed up in the LN in not the latest volume that just released in December but the previous volume. |
Alice3173Jan 10, 8:36 AM
| @Alice3173 promises that the story will get better are often that, promises. Rarely have I ever seen it come true and when it has happened there was at least something in the first episode to encourage the viewer to give it a chance, whether it was the story, characters or even just the world-building. As an anime-only though this episode left me cold. I cannot abide the clumsy writing and Flum is not an interesting character. A.C.G.T. fumbled the start and I am disinclined to give this any more of my time to see if they recover. I will add a caveat though. If Geoff Thew or Chibi say it is worth watching I might give it another chance. |
| RIP MC and all those other "slaves" Also, I take it the "Hero" team are actually evil, as they support cruel slavery. (not even "nice slavery" that some fantasy series makes slavery out to be, lol) (especially since everyone accepted that she left, and the female hero was there when she saw MC being choked and didn't help and just left) Even the "Guild" are pretty much evil and purposedly sends people out to death simply cause they're branded as "slaves" I can see this turning out to be another revenge plot series with the MC being treated like crap everywhere she goes cause she's a "slave". . Instead of Yuri or adventuring, this series is probably going to be filled with topics of her trying to overcome Slavery. |
amlgJan 11, 1:21 AM
| Nothing Written Here But Us Anime Bunnies *boing boing boing* |
| I already want half the character introduced to suffer agonizing deaths. I don't know if this will be a painful watch or a satisfying one. |
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| Of course, an OP MC. That's the basic on those "they have no power/skill/ability" trope. But the way it operates was quite amazing, inverting all the stats. As she said herself, who on heavens would think on using cursed items to boost their own stats, right? I will keep watching it |
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RIP MC and all those other "slaves"
Also, I take it the "Hero" team are actually evil, as they support cruel slavery. (not even "nice slavery" that some fantasy series makes slavery out to be, lol) (especially since everyone accepted that she left, and the female hero was there when she saw MC being choked and didn't help and just left)
Even the "Guild" are pretty much evil and purposedly sends people out to death simply cause they're branded as "slaves"
I can see this turning out to be another revenge plot series with the MC being treated like crap everywhere she goes cause she's a "slave".
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Instead of Yuri or adventuring, this series is probably going to be filled with topics of her trying to overcome Slavery.
Also, I take it the "Hero" team are actually evil, as they support cruel slavery. (not even "nice slavery" that some fantasy series makes slavery out to be, lol) (especially since everyone accepted that she left, and the female hero was there when she saw MC being choked and didn't help and just left)
Even the "Guild" are pretty much evil and purposedly sends people out to death simply cause they're branded as "slaves"
I can see this turning out to be another revenge plot series with the MC being treated like crap everywhere she goes cause she's a "slave".
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Instead of Yuri or adventuring, this series is probably going to be filled with topics of her trying to overcome Slavery.
| @amlg well, for me I got that the blue hair guy was the one doing the "shady" stuff to get rid of our MC, and the others are clueless of her ACTUAL fate (maybe not for her best friend, but the flashback scene was confusing, it may be a miss interpretation from the MC). No one seemed to be bothered by her presence, she was helfull in other ways and the "heart" of the party, for what we've seen from the flashbacks |
| so her Reversal took the sword's "-995 to All Stats"... and gave her a +995? starting at Zero? as well as Reversed "this equipment causes your body to melt" into 'causes your body to heal' instead? mmkaay... so if she say finds a ring that 'puts the wearer into a deep and endless state of sleep'... she will NEVER sleep again? or a pair of shoes that 'causes the wearer to move slower than a turtle or sloth'... and she'll then get FASTER? like if she was wearing Boots of Haste? and if somebody DEBUFFS her with a spell it will act like a BUFF spell instead? ok that's a peculiar, but interesting idea! i've heard of D&D characters/monsters that Heal injures, or Bless etc. injures as well... various undead etc. but it think this is the first time i've heard of something like this. :) |
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pixelante said: @Alice3173 promises that the story will get better are often that, promises. Rarely have I ever seen it come true and when it has happened there was at least something in the first episode to encourage the viewer to give it a chance, whether it was the story, characters or even just the world-building. As an anime-only though this episode left me cold. I cannot abide the clumsy writing and Flum is not an interesting character. A.C.G.T. fumbled the start and I am disinclined to give this any more of my time to see if they recover. I will add a caveat though. If Geoff Thew or Chibi say it is worth watching I might give it another chance. I'm speaking from knowledge of the light novel. Flum is much more interesting in the light novel than what's been shown thus far in the anime partially due to it being so early in the story and partially due to it being an anime and thus much (if not all, in some cases) of the inner dialogue being left out. If you're not one of those people who are allergic to reading, I'd highly recommend giving the light novel a shot and seeing if that does things better for you. I'll continue watching myself but I'm not really expecting much from it to begin with since most light novel adaptations rather suck compared to the source material. |
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pixelante said:
@Alice3173 promises that the story will get better are often that, promises. Rarely have I ever seen it come true and when it has happened there was at least something in the first episode to encourage the viewer to give it a chance, whether it was the story, characters or even just the world-building. As an anime-only though this episode left me cold. I cannot abide the clumsy writing and Flum is not an interesting character. A.C.G.T. fumbled the start and I am disinclined to give this any more of my time to see if they recover.
I will add a caveat though. If Geoff Thew or Chibi say it is worth watching I might give it another chance.
@Alice3173 promises that the story will get better are often that, promises. Rarely have I ever seen it come true and when it has happened there was at least something in the first episode to encourage the viewer to give it a chance, whether it was the story, characters or even just the world-building. As an anime-only though this episode left me cold. I cannot abide the clumsy writing and Flum is not an interesting character. A.C.G.T. fumbled the start and I am disinclined to give this any more of my time to see if they recover.
I will add a caveat though. If Geoff Thew or Chibi say it is worth watching I might give it another chance.
I'm speaking from knowledge of the light novel. Flum is much more interesting in the light novel than what's been shown thus far in the anime partially due to it being so early in the story and partially due to it being an anime and thus much (if not all, in some cases) of the inner dialogue being left out. If you're not one of those people who are allergic to reading, I'd highly recommend giving the light novel a shot and seeing if that does things better for you. I'll continue watching myself but I'm not really expecting much from it to begin with since most light novel adaptations rather suck compared to the source material.
| @Alice3173 I get that anime adaptions aren't as good as the LN source material, but adaptions have been successful despite the limitations. The point I am trying to get across is that it isn't a good adaption if the first episode makes you want to drop it. Also, I am not allergic to reading. I read a lot, but this adaption is so bad I don't even want to give the LN a try. |
| Yea, the Reversal is funky Cause this means she's technically weak to being "buffed". MC needs to find and equip as much cursed items as she can to become stronger. But if she gets buffed by anyone or item, she takes damage, LOL. So MC isn't really immune, her condition just makes it so everything that's done to her is the opposite. Good become Bad, Bad become Good. Everything is still balanced in a way. And I am pretty sure by the looks of it, she still gets exp from killing others. Stuff done to others remains the same. It's only stuff done to HER is reversed. |
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@KiliianSleipnir what I want to know with this Reversal is:
In order to gain EXP points, does she have to bring a bunch of monsters to life??? Birthing them?
Or does "killing" undead with Heal count?
In order to gain EXP points, does she have to bring a bunch of monsters to life??? Birthing them?
Or does "killing" undead with Heal count?
| @cdurst i'm THINKING the Reversal is just Status related issues. she started out with ZEROS across the board etc. but STILL got 'picked' by god etc. SOMEHOW to be a heroic party blablabla. so maybe 'god' just had a reeeeally uhhmmm... what's the word i'm thinking of... oh! "sick sense of humor day" when 'it' was writing up her 'character sheet' before she was born? if you think on it 'bad guys' throw around drain life, fear, poison, stun/paralyze, and other debuffs left n right all day long. so if 'god' put her in the 'hero party' and she 'got swole' every time she or the party got WHAMMIED... she would be an invaluable asset. |
| just an ol school American otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either. |
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