| Look, I was already aware that , but I didn't think it would be executed in such a bad way. I am also aware of the fact that the anime didn't adapt a few scenes from the LN (because some people use it to justify Roxy's actions), but with all of that in mind I'm still not satisfied with this result at all. Yes, Mushoku Tensei is a fictional story and therefore it's moral views are different from ours, but I still believe that without a harem aspect this show could've been 10/10. Roxy's entire character was killed right in front of my eyes when she decided to rape Rudy as "a last resort", then gaslighting him into marrying her simply because she loves him and because of a . She's a shameless bitch, and I'll be cheering if or when she dies. I am baffled how Sylphie is okay with this (can you tell she's my favorite? :^)). She said her reasons as to why she is okay with it, but it doesn't justify it to me. You might even call it a butterfly effect, that if only Paul didn't cheat on Zenith, none of this polygyny would've happened. Rudy grew a lot, and I've rooted for him for a while, but him deciding to marry Roxy simply cause he'd "rather be a scumbag than have regrets" completely shattered any character growth he gained up until this point. Yes I am aware of what's gonna happen in Season 3, and no I'm not happy about it. I thought I wouldn't care about polygyny as long as it didn't ruin the story, but now that it did in ways that I described above, I dislike it hard. For anyone that asks me about Mushoku Tensei, I'll make sure to tell them to drop the show at S2 P1, because that's a way better ending than this. |
| "Nooo muh beloved Roxy she is supposed to be a goddess she is supposed to be a ideal waifu why she is selfish why she is acting like a normal human"πππ‘π‘π‘π‘ 2 years and people still having this argument...smh -There were some parts anime didn't adapt which should have been but that didn't really matters on the overall context. I didn't really get the crash out from the LN readers becz when I read it I thought adaptation wasn't bad. And the Sylphy scene was done perfectly. It's not like the desert journey where they skipped 3-4 chapters that was horrible. - About Roxy's pregnancy - Roxy didn't "rape" Rudeus. She was motivated to do this because she wants to help him. Anime skipped how everyone was worried and tried to cheer him up and lastly people asked Roxy to do it. Again good they skipped it. If Roxy hadn't done that Rudeus would have stayed in depression for long. Could he have recovered alone maybe? But this guy moped about Eris for years and almost killed himself so.. -There is misconception that Sylphy rooted for Polygamy. But after reading few volumes. She ABSOLUTELY doesn't. She is jealous of Roxy And she rather be his sole wife. But she prioritised Rudeus before herself. Just so she can live happily. It might not satisfy people with anti polygamy modern view. But it's pretty normal and she was kinda prepared for it even though didn't wanting it. She would rather make Rudeus happy than hold her ground. Also she just didn't willy nilly accepted anyone. She accepted Roxy becz she knew without her Rudeus would have been in very bad condition. She wasn't there when he needed so she is glad Roxy did. And Rudeus always respected her and told about her to Sylphy. Like it was said in anime, they did the scene prefect. Norn also played her role perfectly as a counter as she should. - For Rudeus it's lose lose situation. Staying loyal to only Sylphiette is looks good on outside. But abandoning Roxy who helped him throughout his life and during his lowest of low is also a scumbag move. He won't bea cheater but that doesn't make him clean either. As biggest Sylphy simp I also hoped it stayed monogamy but Roxy also deserved their role. Having a multiple wives doens't make Rudeus a shitty person nor eradicate his progress in any way. |
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"Nooo muh beloved Roxy she is supposed to be a goddess she is supposed to be a ideal waifu why she is selfish why she is acting like a normal human"πππ‘π‘π‘π‘
2 years and people still having this argument...smh
-There were some parts anime didn't adapt which should have been but that didn't really matters on the overall context.
I didn't really get the crash out from the LN readers becz when I read it I thought adaptation wasn't bad. And the Sylphy scene was done perfectly.
It's not like the desert journey where they skipped 3-4 chapters that was horrible.
- About Roxy's pregnancy
- Roxy didn't "rape" Rudeus. She was motivated to do this because she wants to help him. Anime skipped how everyone was worried and tried to cheer him up and lastly people asked Roxy to do it. Again good they skipped it. If Roxy hadn't done that Rudeus would have stayed in depression for long. Could he have recovered alone maybe? But this guy moped about Eris for years and almost killed himself so..
-There is misconception that Sylphy rooted for Polygamy. But after reading few volumes. She ABSOLUTELY doesn't. She is jealous of Roxy
- For Rudeus it's lose lose situation. Staying loyal to only Sylphiette is looks good on outside. But abandoning Roxy who helped him throughout his life and during his lowest of low is also a scumbag move. He won't bea cheater but that doesn't make him clean either.
As biggest Sylphy simp I also hoped it stayed monogamy but Roxy
2 years and people still having this argument...smh
-There were some parts anime didn't adapt which should have been but that didn't really matters on the overall context.
I didn't really get the crash out from the LN readers becz when I read it I thought adaptation wasn't bad. And the Sylphy scene was done perfectly.
It's not like the desert journey where they skipped 3-4 chapters that was horrible.
- About Roxy's pregnancy
- Roxy didn't "rape" Rudeus. She was motivated to do this because she wants to help him. Anime skipped how everyone was worried and tried to cheer him up and lastly people asked Roxy to do it. Again good they skipped it. If Roxy hadn't done that Rudeus would have stayed in depression for long. Could he have recovered alone maybe? But this guy moped about Eris for years and almost killed himself so..
-There is misconception that Sylphy rooted for Polygamy. But after reading few volumes. She ABSOLUTELY doesn't. She is jealous of Roxy
And she rather be his sole wife. But she prioritised Rudeus before herself. Just so she can live happily. It might not satisfy people with anti polygamy modern view. But it's pretty normal and she was kinda prepared for it even though didn't wanting it. She would rather make Rudeus happy than hold her ground. Also she just didn't willy nilly accepted anyone. She accepted Roxy becz she knew without her Rudeus would have been in very bad condition. She wasn't there when he needed so she is glad Roxy did. And Rudeus always respected her and told about her to Sylphy. Like it was said in anime, they did the scene prefect. Norn also played her role perfectly as a counter as she should.
- For Rudeus it's lose lose situation. Staying loyal to only Sylphiette is looks good on outside. But abandoning Roxy who helped him throughout his life and during his lowest of low is also a scumbag move. He won't bea cheater but that doesn't make him clean either.
As biggest Sylphy simp I also hoped it stayed monogamy but Roxy
also deserved their role. Having a multiple wives doens't make Rudeus a shitty person nor eradicate his progress in any way.
| @WaterMage It completely eradicates his progress. I've read the parts that weren't adapted into the anime and none of them justify Roxy doing what she did. You may be able to think that Roxy didn't rape Rudy, but she did, there is genuinely no argument there. It is the objective truth. I am honestly surprised that you can even read if you're mocking me as some Roxy obsessed waifu-lover when I firmly stated that it's the opposite. I like Sylphy more than any other potential lover for Rudy. I don't think there are grounds for a conversation here if you're implying that raping someone is just her acting a "normal human". And judging from the fact that you were apart of conversations like this for 2 years and STILL didn't get the point of it into your head, then you're hopelessly lost. Good luck. |
Noctis_Caelum said: People who are reading the light Novel are not Justifying Roxy's actions, we are Understanding Roxy's action. The Light Novel gives readers more detail to help people interperate the character's situation to better understand there mental states to before the act. Now as for the "rape". this is more of a emotional response then analytical, because making a scene messy and controversial doens not mean it is depicted as non-consensual or forced, so calling it rape is inaccurate. "Gaslighting" is also not a accurate interpertation because she never invalidates Rudeus's feelings or deny his grief in a way that shows it isn't real. Your criticism of Sylphy's situation is also wrong because what you said is only true if Sylphie’s character was meant to be a modern self-insert with modern monogamy standards (Like Isekaid character Nanahoshi "Silent Star"). Sylphy is shown as a character with a Different upbringing, a different worldview, and having different norms in her setting. Finally Rudeus's growth was never about him becoming a morally flawless character. It was about someone who faces consequences instead of running away from them. The Roxy situation is messy and human, but it doesn’t erase his development, it shows that adulthood isn’t alsways clean. Old Rudy in his infant stages and past life would’ve lied, fled, or denied his actions. New Rudy stays, takes responsibility, and tries to build a real life even through imperfection. That’s literally what Mushoku Tensei has always been about. IMO i think you dropping the show is ok if you honestly feel this angry at it's midpoint; but to say "For anyone who ask me about Mushoku Tensei, I'll make sure to tell them to drop show at S2P1, because thats a way better ending then this." Is pretty apalling. Telling people to drop Mushoku Tensei at S2P1 because you personally dislike is a Negative anime Gatekeeping tactic and from your POV a illogical emotional one. I do agree that my frustration is large because it's recent. You're absolutely right it's apalling, but in a different view of yours that matters very little to me. At the end of the day it's fiction, and if I wanted to choose where or how the series ends for me, then that's my cannon ending. I will continue to enjoy MT and treat everything past S2P1 as nothing more than a fun spin-off. Cheers. |
| What LN readers complain about is the fact they cut possibly the most important dialogue in the series, which explains both Rudues and Roxy's actions. You could understand anyway, but as we can see it was not the case. Rudues is an all time low, he's depressed, he feels like he's messed up his second life as well. The entire party is trying to help him go out of this sorry state and Roxy especially wants to help. Yes, she also has selfish reasons, she fell in love with him during their time together here as being saved in a dungeon by a handsome mage has always been her wet dream. She lets him share the pain with her, vent his frustration and comforts him. When she approaches, Rudeus pushes her away telling her she can't ever understand how he feels, not having lost a parent. But it's not just the loss of a parent: it's Rudy's regret about never loving his parents in his old life and failing to cherish them enough in this either, as he let Paul die. That's what makes him suffer so much. All of this is glossed over in the anime, but it's crucial. In the novel, the morning later Rudeus tells Roxy an abridged version of his life story, without mentioning himself, and asks her what that person is supposed to do. She simply tells him that if he can't go back and make things right with his old family, he should simply focus on the present, on the people here who care about him. He should look the future and live the life he has. As simple as this is, it's exactly what Rudeus needed to hear to come out of the darkness he fell into. So just like when he was afraid of going outside and Roxy made him overcome that fear, now Roxy saved him a second time. Rudy idolizes Roxy because it's only thanks to her that he was able to live this second time. And now that she saved him again and showed her love for him, he cannot push her away. He resolves to do what he can to keep her in her life and make her happy. So both Rudeus and Roxy have selfish reasons and both of them also helped and need each other, that's why they marry. They are human, flawed but loving. And Sylphie accepts this because she knows Rudeus and knows how much Roxy did for him, she is grateful to her and is willing to share with someone like that. At the end of the day, she loves Rudeus and without Roxy none of this would've been possible. No character was assassinated, the only thing to blame is the rushed adaptation. And if you drop it now, yikes. You don't know what you're missing, next season will be the best one. |
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@WaterMage It completely eradicates his progress. I've read the parts that weren't adapted into the anime and none of them justify Roxy doing what she did. You may be able to think that Roxy didn't rape Rudy, but she did, there is genuinely no argument there. It is the objective truth. I am honestly surprised that you can even read if you're mocking me as some Roxy obsessed waifu-lover when I firmly stated that it's the opposite. I like Sylphy more than any other potential lover for Rudy. I don't think there are grounds for a conversation here if you're implying that raping someone is just her acting a "normal human".
And judging from the fact that you were apart of conversations like this for 2 years and STILL didn't get the point of it into your head, then you're hopelessly lost. Good luck.
And judging from the fact that you were apart of conversations like this for 2 years and STILL didn't get the point of it into your head, then you're hopelessly lost. Good luck.
| @Pexcel you think helping a depressed person is raping then hope is also lost for you. You can only read the first part which was parody of the general argument. I mean shouldn't expect this from someone who calls Roxy's action is rape to respond to actual argument. You just needed to rant and shit upon the series. You achieved that what else matters? I don't believe in shitting on a person who acts selfishly inhuman let alone rape for helping a depressed person if that makes me hopeless I am happy to be that. |
| Bruh, it's been like two years and people are still spreading the lie that Roxy either exploited Rudeus' depression to seize opportunity or that she even "raped" him. The misconception literally happened just because adaptation kinda botched the scene and left out important context by cutting it out. It has been explained time and time again so many times, that at this point it must be wilful lying. I am also not a fan of polygamy aspect of this series, but you don't have to spread misinformation to criticise it properly. |
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| I would definitely prefer a more traditional monogamy situation and no one doing horrible things but from the get go that's impossible in this anime, considering Rudeus' past, age, and all that. I'm honestly just happy there is a show where all kinds of stuff happen, I'm definitely liking the drama, it's interesting and different. I like characters with a horrible personality if that makes sense. Doesn't mean that I would be okay with that in real life |
| Keep hating while they are loving each other. |
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TrickyHunter0506 said: You realised that the anime skipped many parts of that particular situation. The anime situation was shows way to fast and was very abruptly shown. The Events which aren't shown in the anime follows below π Elinalise notices Rudeus is mentally destroyed. She tells Roxy something like: “For men in that state, sometimes words aren’t enough. Physical closeness can save them.” Elinalise pushes the idea, saying Roxy is the only woman he trusts because of their Student, teacher bonding also Rudeus treats Roxy as a God. Roxy was hesitant to do the deed. She Thought about Rudeus's Wife Sylphy and knew it was wrong to go ahead with it. Roxy tried to comfort him with words and talked about their 1st meeting and other things. But no matter what she talked or told him he was still in shock, she then took measures in her own hands not out of a chance to sleep with Rudeus but out of love and worry for him. Roxy didn't manipulate Rudeus but comforted him when he was mentally broken. Basically Elinalise encourages or manipulates the situation for roxy to go further with Rudeus. Rudeus didn't cheat on Sylphy for fun but was actually devastated physically and mentally. Talking about how Sylphy accepted Roxy They skipped the main parts in Anime aswell. Sylphie accepted Roxy because Elinalise explained that Roxy had saved Rudeus from total emotional collapse and told "Without Roxy, you might have lost him entirely" Sylphy felt hurt but understood that It was roxy who helped him & knew Rudeus talked about how Roxy taught him about magic and how he sees her as his god. She accepted it rather than losing him and agreed to share Rudeus with Roxy but keept certain conditions. In short Rudeus didn't Cheat on Sylphy with Roxy just for Fun. Roxy didn't manipulate Rudeus into submitting. Sylphy didn't directly accepted Roxy, but when she learnt the truth and understood she accepted but kept certain conditions There is a huge difference between LN & Anime. Anime has skipped so many things and have also taken liberty to change things. So don't just Believe everything you see in Anime. Read the source material for more and accurate information. I understand that, however nothing can justify cheating (I'm aware that none of you are trying to justify it either). While I can understand why she did that, that doesnt mean I'll accept it like some people here. In the LN (as far as I know), the possibility of Roxy getting pregnant played a big part in why Rudy decided to take Roxy in as his 2nd wife. When the truth is revealed that it was a lie, I don't see why Rudy and Roxy couldn't have just stayed close friends instead. Sylphie only accepted it because she wants Rudy to be happy. We can see that if she also prioritized herself she wouldn't allow Rudy to have any partner but herself. |
| Honestly when I heard Mushoku turns into a full on harem I stopped watching. S1 was ok. I never watched s2. I think I was falsely lured by the series with people calling it a "redemption story." I do not even say that as moral arbiter given I love ecchi and cute and funny. I guess I just see the series as a major blackpill fantasy where sub 5 becomes tall chad harem king plot. Makes it impossible to relate too. |
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Pexcel said:
I understand that, however nothing can justify cheating (I'm aware that none of you are trying to justify it either). While I can understand why she did that, that doesnt mean I'll accept it like some people here. In the LN (as far as I know), the possibility of Roxy getting pregnant played a big part in why Rudy decided to take Roxy in as his 2nd wife. When the truth is revealed that it was a lie, I don't see why Rudy and Roxy couldn't have just stayed close friends instead.
Sylphie only accepted it because she wants Rudy to be happy. We can see that if she also prioritized herself she wouldn't allow Rudy to have any partner but herself.
TrickyHunter0506 said:
You realised that the anime skipped many parts of that particular situation. The anime situation was shows way to fast and was very abruptly shown.
The Events which aren't shown in the anime follows below π
Elinalise notices Rudeus is mentally destroyed.
She tells Roxy something like:
“For men in that state, sometimes words aren’t enough. Physical closeness can save them.”
Elinalise pushes the idea, saying Roxy is the only woman he trusts because of their Student, teacher bonding also Rudeus treats Roxy as a God.
Roxy was hesitant to do the deed. She Thought about Rudeus's Wife Sylphy and knew it was wrong to go ahead with it. Roxy tried to comfort him with words and talked about their 1st meeting and other things. But no matter what she talked or told him he was still in shock, she then took measures in her own hands not out of a chance to sleep with Rudeus but out of love and worry for him.
Roxy didn't manipulate Rudeus but comforted him when he was mentally broken.
Basically Elinalise encourages or manipulates the situation for roxy to go further with Rudeus.
Rudeus didn't cheat on Sylphy for fun but was actually devastated physically and mentally.
Talking about how Sylphy accepted Roxy
They skipped the main parts in Anime aswell.
Sylphie accepted Roxy because Elinalise explained that Roxy had saved Rudeus from total emotional collapse and told "Without Roxy, you might have lost him entirely"
Sylphy felt hurt but understood that It was roxy who helped him & knew Rudeus talked about how Roxy taught him about magic and how he sees her as his god. She accepted it rather than losing him and agreed to share Rudeus with Roxy but keept certain conditions.
In short Rudeus didn't Cheat on Sylphy with Roxy just for Fun.
Roxy didn't manipulate Rudeus into submitting.
Sylphy didn't directly accepted Roxy, but when she learnt the truth and understood she accepted but kept certain conditions
There is a huge difference between LN & Anime. Anime has skipped so many things and have also taken liberty to change things. So don't just Believe everything you see in Anime. Read the source material for more and accurate information.
You realised that the anime skipped many parts of that particular situation. The anime situation was shows way to fast and was very abruptly shown.
The Events which aren't shown in the anime follows below π
Elinalise notices Rudeus is mentally destroyed.
She tells Roxy something like:
“For men in that state, sometimes words aren’t enough. Physical closeness can save them.”
Elinalise pushes the idea, saying Roxy is the only woman he trusts because of their Student, teacher bonding also Rudeus treats Roxy as a God.
Roxy was hesitant to do the deed. She Thought about Rudeus's Wife Sylphy and knew it was wrong to go ahead with it. Roxy tried to comfort him with words and talked about their 1st meeting and other things. But no matter what she talked or told him he was still in shock, she then took measures in her own hands not out of a chance to sleep with Rudeus but out of love and worry for him.
Roxy didn't manipulate Rudeus but comforted him when he was mentally broken.
Basically Elinalise encourages or manipulates the situation for roxy to go further with Rudeus.
Rudeus didn't cheat on Sylphy for fun but was actually devastated physically and mentally.
Talking about how Sylphy accepted Roxy
They skipped the main parts in Anime aswell.
Sylphie accepted Roxy because Elinalise explained that Roxy had saved Rudeus from total emotional collapse and told "Without Roxy, you might have lost him entirely"
Sylphy felt hurt but understood that It was roxy who helped him & knew Rudeus talked about how Roxy taught him about magic and how he sees her as his god. She accepted it rather than losing him and agreed to share Rudeus with Roxy but keept certain conditions.
In short Rudeus didn't Cheat on Sylphy with Roxy just for Fun.
Roxy didn't manipulate Rudeus into submitting.
Sylphy didn't directly accepted Roxy, but when she learnt the truth and understood she accepted but kept certain conditions
There is a huge difference between LN & Anime. Anime has skipped so many things and have also taken liberty to change things. So don't just Believe everything you see in Anime. Read the source material for more and accurate information.
I understand that, however nothing can justify cheating (I'm aware that none of you are trying to justify it either). While I can understand why she did that, that doesnt mean I'll accept it like some people here. In the LN (as far as I know), the possibility of Roxy getting pregnant played a big part in why Rudy decided to take Roxy in as his 2nd wife. When the truth is revealed that it was a lie, I don't see why Rudy and Roxy couldn't have just stayed close friends instead.
Sylphie only accepted it because she wants Rudy to be happy. We can see that if she also prioritized herself she wouldn't allow Rudy to have any partner but herself.
You are missing the point. Cheating is not justified cause you live in this world with so and so morals. You can't expect each and every fictional story to have the same morals. There are many animes that show settings where killing is necessary and that is what the main character could do to live a happy life. So is the case here ( I am not saying rudeus' only option was to cheat, but from what his situation was I don't think so he could have gotten himself back together without roxy's intervention) this is a story set in mediaeval times, you are not gonna find a counselor to talk about your life problems and find solutions to them. In such a setting people don't know many ways to bring people out of depression so one of the only few ways was to have sex.
Roxy loved Rudeus both as a student and her saviour(which btw he was exactly her dream man) and rudeus was able to meet sylphy cause Roxy helped him get out of his house in the first place and then she helped him to learn demon language(helped Rudeus survive demon continent) and she helped his family to be reunited. Rudeus got out of depression cause of the counselling with Roxy which was only possible after their sex( to get Rudy's attention away from what happened to paul).
Roxy was like a wheelchair for the injured Rudeus, and you would have preferred after being saved by the woman who you respect and admire the most these many times, Rudeus to abandon Roxy.
Does she not deserve the love sylphy gets after all of these actions only because she was late trying to save Rudeus' family?
| @Shinotaro Does she not deserve the love sylphy gets after all of these actions only because she was late trying to save Rudeus' family? My thoughts? No, she does not. I don't think staying close friends with Roxy would equal to abandoning her. Yes, it's not even the medieval times, it's a whole different world, so naturally the said world has different moral views and laws than ours. Rudy does not, he has memories of the modern world with modern moral views. Yes, he's shown to continuously have fucked up moral views, but even he acknowledged that cheating and marrying Roxy would be wrong, and only buried that feeling of it being extremely wrong towards Sylphie because he kept getting pushed to do it. I was pissed when I made the thread because I just finished watching the last 2 episodes, yes, but even now I still feel that this was totally unneeded. The author made this polygyny happen simply because he wanted a harem where harem wasn't needed. I'm glad Rudy is grateful for Roxy saving him, but he doesn't owe her anything. If that was the case, then Rudy would go around marrying anyone who liked him or helped him in the past. What frustrates me is how selfish Roxy is. She admits she's shameless and instead of owning up her mistake of wanting to barge in on someone else's marriage, she dives even further when Sylphie tells her it's okay. Just 2 chapters later she treats Rudy like he's been hers all along, "Our Rudy is such a perv.", or how they start to discuss on how much time Rudy is gonna spend with each of them (which is insane to me, Sylphie should be a priority forever and if Roxy doesn't like it, she can kick rocks.) I've been told that Sylphie gets jealous of Roxy following Roxy & Rudy's marriage and assuming that's true, with my previous reply in this thread it should be obvious by now that Sylphie never wanted this. She did it for Rudy's sake. As for Roxy, I don't understand how someone can be this shameless and selfish, and I acknowledge that MT is a phenomenal piece of fiction if it's able to spark suck feelings from me. I was never into her as a character, yet even I'm disappointed with how badly the author butchered her in just 10+- chapters. Lastly, not everything is black and white. We're all aware of that, so while you can accept her actions and this outcome, that's fine for me and I'm glad you do. But I don't, and I don't plan on accepting it anytime soon. I did not miss your point, I just don't agree with it. I appreciate you not pushing your opinions on me like a few blokes in this thread did. |
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Fair, you don't gotta like it. I already imagine it's gonna end with all three heroines being with Rudeus by S3 with Eris coming back for "Turning Point" 4 possibly 5.
Perfectly describes this isekai thats getting a S2.
"I Got A Cheat Skill in Another World and Become Unrivaled In The Real World, Too"
I don't get wanting to be relatable from mcs of fantasy/isekai just with isekais alone being a premise of getting transported or hit by truck-kun so you get reincarnated in another world because you're previous life (1st life, real life or whatever) is shitty. Than the opportunity of you disappearing from family, friends to go into another world where the "grass is greener" so you can get loss in the new environment you're in. Thinking that you'll be the mc of "I'm built different". Like someone is going through a bad break but then compares themselves by saying "I relate to Thorfinn/Guts fr fr." At least that's the vibe I get. Not that I'm clowning on you, I'm genuinely curious why you like relateability for fantasy shows if you can elaborate more.
Nobody ever says I want to be isekai'd into Goblin Slayer, Re:Zero, Overlord, Ragna Crimson, Executioner and Her Way of Life where you're rolling the dice of you're fate just being a background side character killed off or a villager that gets victimized by something than being the mc everyone wants to fantasize themselves as if they were to get isekai'd. Which is where I enjoy fantasy series by their plot rather than reliability with concepts like magic, medieval culture, societal norms that completely differ from modern day.
rohan121 said:
I guess I just see the series as a major blackpill fantasy where sub 5 becomes tall chad harem king plot. Makes it impossible to relate too.
I guess I just see the series as a major blackpill fantasy where sub 5 becomes tall chad harem king plot. Makes it impossible to relate too.
Perfectly describes this isekai thats getting a S2.
"I Got A Cheat Skill in Another World and Become Unrivaled In The Real World, Too"
I don't get wanting to be relatable from mcs of fantasy/isekai just with isekais alone being a premise of getting transported or hit by truck-kun so you get reincarnated in another world because you're previous life (1st life, real life or whatever) is shitty. Than the opportunity of you disappearing from family, friends to go into another world where the "grass is greener" so you can get loss in the new environment you're in. Thinking that you'll be the mc of "I'm built different". Like someone is going through a bad break but then compares themselves by saying "I relate to Thorfinn/Guts fr fr." At least that's the vibe I get. Not that I'm clowning on you, I'm genuinely curious why you like relateability for fantasy shows if you can elaborate more.
Nobody ever says I want to be isekai'd into Goblin Slayer, Re:Zero, Overlord, Ragna Crimson, Executioner and Her Way of Life where you're rolling the dice of you're fate just being a background side character killed off or a villager that gets victimized by something than being the mc everyone wants to fantasize themselves as if they were to get isekai'd. Which is where I enjoy fantasy series by their plot rather than reliability with concepts like magic, medieval culture, societal norms that completely differ from modern day.
| @Liental I guess I would say more so say I actively disliked Rudeus overtime making it a lot harder to watch. I had this happen too disliking the playboy mc of Alderamin in the Sky. I would more so say the relatable aspect I was refering too was mostly an account of them being sympathetic to the viewer given the conditions they were given. Rudeus crosses the line of sympathy into apathy which can hinder watching the series from my viewpoint. I know that is all up to personal taste though. |
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@rohan121
Fair. I get you now. I didn't watch alderamin in the sky to comment on that but I'm guessing you're talking about the mc getting all the girls. Sure, but I say Mushoku is different than how it usually goes for isekai harem with how they work out their relationship dynamic in comparison to Mushoku at least they tried. That being the turning points that Mushoku has over other fantasies. Where other isekai harem animes scrub the dynamic into just glossing over it for fantasizing about a self insert being OP and surrounded by hot girls.
Can't blame you though if you just aren't into harem/redeus's personality. I don't get the trope in fantasy though in having a lot of girls at least realism wise. Seems already tough dealing with one can't imagine taking care of mutiple wives but being in a story for me I don't really care either or about it.
Fair. I get you now. I didn't watch alderamin in the sky to comment on that but I'm guessing you're talking about the mc getting all the girls. Sure, but I say Mushoku is different than how it usually goes for isekai harem with how they work out their relationship dynamic in comparison to Mushoku at least they tried. That being the turning points that Mushoku has over other fantasies. Where other isekai harem animes scrub the dynamic into just glossing over it for fantasizing about a self insert being OP and surrounded by hot girls.
Can't blame you though if you just aren't into harem/redeus's personality. I don't get the trope in fantasy though in having a lot of girls at least realism wise. Seems already tough dealing with one can't imagine taking care of mutiple wives but being in a story for me I don't really care either or about it.
| @Liental My salt against Rudeus is not really that he has a harem, but that he actively became Paul 2.0 despite giving his dad dirt for his cheating. Issei for instance never moralizes like that making him far more likable. |
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