Game v7: The Great Terror - (The Original Mafia)

PentaFlare said:

What has lead you to townreading Rinto?

Also, why is your read on Rinto stronger than your read on Chione when she has produced more meaningful content?

[2] KOtA ✖ Chione, LucianRoy
[1] Karote ✖ KOtA
[1] PentaFlare ✖ logic340
[1] No Lynch ✖ DenjaX


Neglect of Duty || Togs, Rinto-kun, Sodalicious_, Karote, PentaFlare, -shad-

logic340 said:
@PentaFlare You made a comment about how I didn't have enough content from you to scum read you. I still don't think I have enough content to read you either way but I am beginning to wonder if that may be by design, Can you please give me a read list or something about why you suspect DenjaX?

Edit: grammar

[2] KOtA ✖ Chione, LucianRoy
[1] PentaFlare ✖ logic340
[1] Karote ✖ KOtA
[1] No Lynch ✖ DenjaX


Neglect of Duty || Togs, Rinto-kun, Sodalicious_, Karote, PentaFlare, -shad-

PentaFlare said:

I want to but I need to finish a paper first. By the end of tonight I will have all my schoolwork done and will pretty much be on vacation. I'll have all the time in the world then.

DenjaX said:
@logic340 who are you inclined to vote today? I suggest not waiting for Penta, I think he is going to come 30 minutes before phase change again. xDD

@-shad- who you want to vote? You can sheep with my vote since you can trust me. :D

logic340 said:
So 7 (going on 8) hours of inactivity now really??? I gotta say I am a little extremely disapointed in this town. I guess we didn't learn our lesson from D1 and D2? Do we think that the 3rd time will be the charm or something?

@Kit and @Gruffin I am sorry I am trying not to let your deaths be in vain I really am.

logic340 said:
Meaningful content is subject to opinion. I have found plenty of meaningful content in Rinto's posts. I would like to ask you what your read on Rinto is?

PentaFlare said:

Rinto-kun is pretty close to a policy lynch but if you think they are town I will give it a chance and take a closer look.

PentaFlare said:

What has lead you to townreading Rinto?

Also, why is your read on Rinto stronger than your read on Chione when she has produced more meaningful content?

logic340 said:
What does Policy lynch mean?

#1318 - Here I explain how I see KOta and Rinto in a similar light and explain why one is viewed town while the other is more scum.
#1371 - This kind of explains it but I can go into further detail.

-shad- said:
I shall post when I get up from a quick nap. 12 hours of uni was tiring with added amount of pressure from presentation.

DenjaX said:
Policy lynch is someone we always lynch due to their behaviour or meta of always rolling scum xDD Take a look at Shinichi kin and grrr for example. Nobody regrets their lynch even if theyre town. xDD

logic340 said:
Policy Lynch sounds lazy and scummy. Rather than think about where Rinto's actions are coming from he should be policy lynched?? Moving forward anyone who talks Policy lynch to me will be viewed as scum. Let's put our behavioral analysis to work people.

logic340 said:
So 7 (going on 8) hours of inactivity now really??? I gotta say I am a little extremely disapointed in this town. I guess we didn't learn our lesson from D1 and D2? Do we think that the 3rd time will be the charm or something?

@Kit and @Gruffin I am sorry I am trying not to let your deaths be in vain I really am.

Karote said:
Leaning towards town - DenjaX , logic, Chione, Lucian
Leaning towards scum - shad, Kota, Phraze, then last one is I'm not sure of yet.
Unknown - Togs, Penta, Rinto

I can't read Penta yet because I know he's really argumentative and sticks to his own opinions strongly regardless of alignment.
Though I'm looking forward to their scumhunt posts, said had one for Denja but will post later.

Rinto plays bit similar like me in the past, passive and lurks. Analyses in his mind instead of posting them.
I find it weird they would try to contribute to seem town when I remember them playing differently but I won't depend on meta and will continue to observe him.
Also noticed got bit more active after few active players got killed, got confidence to post more?

Most of their posts are just observations and sheep votes, so I'm leaning towards scum atm.

Togs is just an alien to me.

LucianRoy said:

Maybe everyone lives on the East coast and we all went to sleep?

PentaFlare said:

Rinto-kun is pretty close to a policy lynch but if you think they are town I will give it a chance and take a closer look.

logic340 said:
I am not trying to be rude but I honestly feel that with as much time as you have missed from D1 and D2, I would think you should be the last one talking about a Policy Lynch.

logic340 said:
PentaFlare:
So before I even get into looking though their post. It strikes me as odd that Gruffin, logic340, and DenjaX have all caught the attention of this player. We know Gruffin is town and Guffin believed that DenjaX and I are town. I know that DenjaX is town and I know I am town so from my PoV it is odd that someone has gone through all my best town reads for their scum reads. Not even thinking about my previous interaction with them this sets off alarms to me. I ask myself how can they be reading thing so wrong from my POV? I am speaking directly to what the situation is not what was intended or unavoidable just what is.

I am going to end it where I ended it the other day. There are things from today but you guys can go over those and hopefully already have.

Reading the first half of this has really given me direction in the way I feel about Penta. After our interaction I didn't know how to feel about things. I though I over reacted but when I looked at things again I reel like this really wasn't my fault. As you will notice in the bolded comments there are a fair amount of inconsistencies I found as I went though this. I can wholeheartedly say that this is officially a scum read on PentaFlare.
1. I still don't like the "misunderstanding" with the whole "panic lynch" argument against Gruffin. I don't care that Gruffin accepted what Penta had to say the reality is that Penta showing up 30 minutes before Phase Change. So Gruffin was scum read for warning against panic which was "perceived" as Gruffin trying to cause panic.
2. The next thing is wanting to cast a meaningful vote with limited information. How is this even possible to me this is the definition of hypocrisy. You cannot make a meaningful vote if you are uninformed, in actuality you are adding to the panic. I think the more town thing to do would have been to continue catching up rather than add yourself to the Chaos while being admittedly uninformed.
3. The unanswered questions and the fact that it's been 36+ hours and they are still unanswered isn't alignment indicative but it makes me feel like they did enough to meet the activity requirement only to slink back off into the shadows.
4. I haven't even began to touch the Denja stuff which I am going to have a ball with when that read comes out. So yeah easy call for this one PentaFlare is scum.

Vadim: PentaFlare Togs and Rinto both RSVP'd Penta are they town who both got lucky and hit scum by accident or are they his partners? One and one?

Edit: Added numbers to my points at the bottom and bolded my report for Vadim

aa-dono said:

LucianRoy said:

So far I'm thinking that the last minute vote on shad with zero explanation and zero follow-up has been the only truly scummy thing that sticks out to me with Penta. Judging by your post, you think it's looking like dodgy scum?

Penta just loves to pick fights with people. He's the epitome of violence. Just look at him, he's already had beef with logic, gruf, and denja. Penta is like, the least hot in terms of reads fmpov because I don't think the people he's going after are scum at all. Logic, tell me the biggest reason you think this is scum dissent as opposed to mislead townie.

Karote said:


That didn't notify me.

Chione said:
Rinto-kun


KOtA


Karote


These are the ones I deemed most important right now. I'll try to do some more later/tomorrow, though I can't guarantee anything since they are just way too time consuming and I have stuff to do. Feel free to comment on/object against these. Laters.

logic340 said:
Rinto-kun:

This goes up to the start of D3. I can see how my read on him progresses from feeling good to being essentially confirmed by the end as I read it. Rinto's activity really isn't as bad as it seems. He gets a lot of flack for being passive but he tries to keep people active. I ask myself why would scum push so hard for the inactive players to get active? What does he stand to gain from a scum perspective? A little town cred maybe, but would it be worth the effort considering how much he is putting himself out there while being a less active player himself. I can see the town motive behind his play and I am very comfortable with my town read on Rinto. There are some bolded parts that stand out as well some relate to Rinto and others don't. I hope this helps everyone put their thoughts together on Rinto. Please like and share....lol.

Rinto-kun said:
Sorry for the inactivity guys.
I'm 2 pages behind.
See ya when I read them.
Btw who do you think we should lynch? I'm always open for a policy lynch on Penta though
P.S. The inactivity really kills the game though. I just hope we can for once know how many mafias there are next night phase and finally unite our efforts to agree on a lynch. >.>

Karote said:


Hmm, why do you try to play pro-town? You're usually anti-town with your riddles and stuff.
Did you change your meta?

Rinto-kun said:

Lol, thanks, that's nice.
Even I don't remember what I said xP
My current reads haven't changed though, and with your list I don't like Togs's play even more. No matter how many times I read what KOtA says, it always sounds fairly scummy and somehow standalone. If you do the same thing for KOtA as you did for me, you might see what I'm talking about.

logic340 said:
Karote - Neutral read feels more like a town read from where I am sitting. Karote's reasoning for voting KOta was fairly weak if I remember correctly...yup just checked it and it was. How the F..... is Karote going to call someone out for shallow reads when they haven't given any themselves to that point. If they did you neglected it in your read list so it looks like Karote is being a hypocrite. Is hypocricy a town mindset because I see a lot of it going around right now.

logic340 said:
Welcome Comrade, I think we should lynch PentaFlare. I have given my reasons and I look forward to hearing everyone's responses to them.

Rinto-kun said:

I agree with your reasons, I don't really can add anything to them since they speak for themselves.
Also I'll probably get too lazy to play tomorrow so I'll be back around 2-3 hours until phase-change.
Going to put this vote here for now.
Vadim: Pentaflare
Seems like we're making a new train, tbh I'm fine with both.
You can ask me questions as long as I am here to answer them.
Also, if Karote is reading this, I act passive in the beginning because there are too many people to follow. And maybe I become more proactive when there are no people who would take the lead, kind of feels like my duty to be a second-in-command. xD

Rinto-kun said:
Sorry for the inactivity guys.
I'm 2 pages behind.
See ya when I read them.
Btw who do you think we should lynch? I'm always open for a policy lynch on Penta though
P.S. The inactivity really kills the game though. I just hope we can for once know how many mafias there are next night phase and finally unite our efforts to agree on a lynch. >.>

LucianRoy said:


You think that Phraze bus-voted shad? Are you certain? Or was it an act of desperation?

logic340 said:
"Only mafia want to make panic happen." This is a thought that seems to have slipped away from Penta when they arrived 30 minutes before Phase Change. They say their intention was not to cause panic (we can certainly say that he added to it), but what matters to me here is what actually happened. They can say the didnt intened for it to happen but how do I know that? Like i said before a more town mindset imo would have been to catch up before trying to join in the panic while claiming he wanted to make a meaningful vote. I cannot say that moving the vote to shad without giving reason is scummy in itself because almost everyone has done it at some point this game it certainly isn't a tell if that is what you are asking me. If anything I would think he wanted to look like he was contributing by being there for the vote. This could come from a scum or town mindset imo though. The reason I find this scummy is because they had already talked about panic in regards to Gruffin so they should have known that showing up 30 minutes before the phase change without having all the necessary information should would cause or add to the panic. This is contradictory and not something I expect to see in a town mind set. Also loads and loads of unanswered questions that they don't seem to have any real desire to answer. I cannot point to one thing that says scum but at this point I have a hard time doing that with anyone.

Karote said:


Lol, I give up on you.

logic340 said:
We didn't get a notification because the @ User Names are inside a quote block.

Karote said:
Yeah, you know what.

Vadim: Kota

KOtA said:
Vote : All the spies :V

aa-dono said:

DenjaX said:
@logic340 What do you want to do for the remaining of the phase? Who do you want to lynch today? Who would likely be lynched today?

I still havent voted anyone.

Im going to be busy for the remaining of the phase but ill try my best to check whats up.