Piracy of Japanese games and anime has tripled over the past 3 years. Government acknowledges need to expand legitimate global distribution channels
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Jan 28, 4:43 PM
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| Japan’s METI (Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry) announced the results of its survey on online piracy of Japanese content on January 26. According to the results, damages from piracy in 2025 rose to 5.7 trillion yen (about $36.9 billion USD), which is almost three times higher than the 2 trillion ($12.9 billion USD) in damages recorded in a past survey from 2022. However, as ITMedia News reports, from 2025, new categories like “character merchandise” were also included in the survey, and if we take them into account as well, the overall damages for this year total 10.4 trillion yen (about $67.4 billion USD). However, the government also notes that as long as there is demand for Japanese content, pirated versions are bound to emerge regardless of how strong their anti-piracy measures are, which is why its main goal will be to “guide consumers of pirated content to legal means of usage.” Therefore, it promises to continue supporting the expansion of global streaming and distribution platforms which handle Japanese content. https://automaton-media.com/en/news/piracy-of-japanese-games-and-anime-has-tripled-over-the-past-3-years-government-acknowledges-need-to-expand-legitimate-global-distribution-channels/ also do note this report too Global Anime Market Grew 15% to Record 3.84 Trillion Yen in 2024 Industry group: 2nd highest year-over-year jump recorded, fueled by 26% increase overseas https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2025-10-30/global-anime-market-grew-15-percent-to-record-3.84-trillion-yen-in-2024/.230464 ye there is no actual damage or profit loss due to any piracy they are just estimating potential profits here also here in south east asia they should expand their legal youtube free or ads supported anime offerings |
degJan 28, 5:50 PM
Jan 28, 5:35 PM
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| First, the word damage is exaggerated. No house burned down, no shop window was shattered, no statue was defiled. In investor language, “damage” usually refers to expected sales minus actual sales. It is hypothetical income that never existed. Second, the market itself is growing. Basic economics tells us that prices and revenues depend on both demand and supply. When supply increases faster than consumers’ money and attention, revenue declines. Instead of acknowledging oversupply and price deflation, the industry conveniently assumes an external cause (as if someone must have stolen their wallet) which protects producers and shifts blame outward. Piracy becomes the perfect convenient scapegoat: count every pirate as a lost sale. Yet laws have been enforced and numerous sites have been shut down in recent years, without any guaranteed conversion of pirates into paying consumers. Finally, this makes recent METI announcements particularly ideological. Because piracy cannot be directly counted, it is inferred indirectly from sales figures: a method that already assumes its own conclusion. That is not neutral analysis; it is political framing. Framing imaginary income as “damage” while ignoring structural overproduction is misleading or worse, deeply dishonest. So who benefits from framing overproduction and market saturation as “damage” caused by piracy? ........ Addendum: This question is straying into political territory, so it might be best to close this thread. |
EldinisJan 28, 5:40 PM
Jan 28, 5:47 PM
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| By piracy do they mean zoomie zoom zooms streaming on ad filled sites with buffering lmao |
Jan 28, 5:50 PM
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Reply to ComeInReiAsuka
By piracy do they mean zoomie zoom zooms streaming on ad filled sites with buffering lmao
| @ComeInReiAsuka ye illegal streaming sites is one major sources of anime piracy they say |
Jan 28, 6:24 PM
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| I don't know why the producers don't just put all their anime on Youtube for free with ads available worldwide outside Japan. That has to make more money than licensing out to middle men, right?? Maybe not idk |
Jan 28, 6:33 PM
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| they shoulda went the gacha route like China. Can't pirate gachas |
Currently Watching ☆ In/Spectre ☆ Current Visual Novel ☆ The Colorful World ☆ |
Jan 28, 6:38 PM
#7
| It would be best for anime to be made by Japanese people, for Japanese people, and to focus on the Japanese market. Anime sales from Western companies go to Western companies, not back to the Japanese creators. If they absolutely need to focus on stopping piracy, they should do so domestically, and stop bothering with foreign markets. |
Jan 28, 6:43 PM
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Jan 28, 7:13 PM
#9
Reply to rohan121
As a brokie I doubt I will ever stop pirating media. The cost of living only rises overtime as salaries tend to stagnate. Tariffs in the US destroyed a lot of hobbies already like beyblades and figures. Legit distribution can't save anything imo.
| @rohan121 didn't you vote for the guy who brought all these tariffs upon us in the first place? Stop being a chud. Not to mention you're not even a real pirate. |
Jan 28, 7:21 PM
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| What they need to do is lower physical media prices, and when it comes to selling rights not give exclusive rights to but have quality control over what foreign countries do to a work where they can just say "no" and pull back the rights if they fuck it up. They also need to have donation channels available and good access to merchandise. |
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Jan 28, 7:44 PM
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ForgotEyeWasHere said: So how are Western companies allowed to operate, if they're keeping all the money and not returning anything back to Japan?Anime sales from Western companies go to Western companies, not back to the Japanese creators. |
Jan 28, 7:48 PM
#12
Reply to GrumbleDango
I don't know why the producers don't just put all their anime on Youtube for free with ads available worldwide outside Japan. That has to make more money than licensing out to middle men, right?? Maybe not idk
| @GrumbleDango ye that would be the dream but i guess some big companies like netflix or amazon or even crunchyroll pays better in licensing |
Jan 28, 8:10 PM
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| I would consider paying if I didn't just read an article of the Japan Fair Trade Comission talking about corruption in the industry and how workers are being paid less than what they should have and adding several irregularities in contracts. If they give series for free, be they welcome. TMS and Viz media are a small step. |
MOKUSHI KUSHIMO SHIMOKU KUMOSHI MOSHIKU SHIKUMO. |
Jan 28, 8:37 PM
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Reply to Zalis
ForgotEyeWasHere said:
Anime sales from Western companies go to Western companies, not back to the Japanese creators.
So how are Western companies allowed to operate, if they're keeping all the money and not returning anything back to Japan?Anime sales from Western companies go to Western companies, not back to the Japanese creators.
| @Zalis They pay a teeny tiny licensing fee, and then steal all the profits after that on the Western end for themselves. It's very cheap to import anime. |
ForgotEyeWasHereJan 28, 8:44 PM
Jan 29, 10:05 AM
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| Producers and their representatives always complain about piracy to maximize their profits, even if they already make large enough profits. |
*kappa* |
Jan 29, 10:13 AM
#16
| I hope that we one day get to see a world where outdated concepts such as trademarks and copyright no longer exists. They served a purpose in the 1800s and early 1900s to give an incentive for people to be innovative but it has no place in the modern world |
Jan 29, 10:16 AM
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Reply to NS2D
I hope that we one day get to see a world where outdated concepts such as trademarks and copyright no longer exists. They served a purpose in the 1800s and early 1900s to give an incentive for people to be innovative but it has no place in the modern world
| @NS2D are you part of the "delete all ip law" movement then? im starting to like that movement but i hate that elon musk is part of it |
Jan 29, 10:20 AM
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Reply to deg
@NS2D are you part of the "delete all ip law" movement then? im starting to like that movement but i hate that elon musk is part of it
| @deg I've never heard of that movement before but I've always had the opinion that human creativity shouldn't be copyrighted. At this point it does more harm to actual innovation which is why I think it has outlived the purpose that it once had, and now serve as a detriment rather than something that increases innovation overall |
Jan 29, 10:25 AM
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Reply to NS2D
@deg I've never heard of that movement before but I've always had the opinion that human creativity shouldn't be copyrighted. At this point it does more harm to actual innovation which is why I think it has outlived the purpose that it once had, and now serve as a detriment rather than something that increases innovation overall
| @NS2D jack dorsey the creator of twitter popularizes the delete all ip movement but its link with ai stuff again also ye plus ip laws are modern invention for just the past hundred years ip laws are legalize monopoly so its against the free market anyway |
Jan 29, 10:39 AM
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| Theoretically speaking, let's say those companies had their profits without the "piracy" issue, how much would realistically go back to the animators and artists of the anime? Aren't most of them relatively poor? |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas |
Jan 29, 10:50 AM
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Reply to Tropisch
Theoretically speaking, let's say those companies had their profits without the "piracy" issue, how much would realistically go back to the animators and artists of the anime? Aren't most of them relatively poor?
| @Tropisch for sure trickle down economics is a sham |
Jan 29, 11:54 AM
#22
| * I think it would be a better thing if Japan itself controls the whole distribution of Anime & Manga worldwide instead of Western distributors... * There should be supporting forums & platforms where registered animators can directly get financial encouragement and gifts from all the fans worldwide... * Higher ups in the studio should pay the animators fairly and they should know that a sound minded animator is more productive. Japanese government should keep a check & balance time to time wether the animators & other staff are being paid fairly or not... * I think if Japan succeeds in creating a single comprehensive platform where we can get each & every Anime & Manga till date and that platform is regularly updated and maintained with currently airing titles, all this with a reasonable subscription everyone can pay, then I will willingly pay for it and I assume those will too who are fed up with western distributors thus automatically creating a direct relation between consumers and suppliers while reducing the prices by removing the third parties in between... * What can be better than a platform where its users are kept happy, their rights are respected and they can easily support the creators they adore. By doing all this not only fans & animators would be benefited but the country's revenue will also reasonably increase ... ---- Just some thoughts I came across before sleeping 😋💤 If anyone agrees it's ok and if someone doesn't it's still ok ...おやすみ みんな 。😴💤 |
Jan 29, 1:41 PM
#23
| I think maybe we should stop calling it piracy. I mean it is fun to pretend to be old time pirates but it implies theft. |
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Jan 29, 2:14 PM
#24
Reply to GrumbleDango
I don't know why the producers don't just put all their anime on Youtube for free with ads available worldwide outside Japan. That has to make more money than licensing out to middle men, right?? Maybe not idk
GrumbleDango said: no, most definitely not.don't know why the producers don't just put all their anime on Youtube for free with ads available worldwide outside Japan. That has to make more money than licensing out to middle men, right?? Maybe not idk an ad-supported view on YT is worth about $0.001 (0.1 cents). a CR sub is $8, let's say $3 of that go to CR themselves. that leaves $5 for the rights holders. and let's say the subscriber watches 100 episodes a month, each episode would get a $0.05 share, which would make an episode viewed through a CR sub 50 times more profitable than an episode viewed on YT with ads. even if we assume a 90% piracy rate, it still makes more sense to keep the content behind a paywall. (also, Youtube is still a middle man. they keep almost half the ad revenue.) |
krautnelsonJan 29, 2:22 PM
Jan 29, 5:20 PM
#25
| How about not region lock almost everything, and make international payment available? It's so frustrating not being able to purchase something directly with my debit card and instead I have to buy some manga app coins from a local Japanese convenience store which requires a Japanese account. And you wonder why people pirate. No, official localization takes forever to come out, so that's out of the question when I want to keep up with all the manga I'm reading. I import my manga volumes from Japan because the localized version here just isn't as good. |
Jan 29, 5:37 PM
#26
Reply to NS2D
@deg I've never heard of that movement before but I've always had the opinion that human creativity shouldn't be copyrighted. At this point it does more harm to actual innovation which is why I think it has outlived the purpose that it once had, and now serve as a detriment rather than something that increases innovation overall
| @NS2D IP law is valuable, but it has been extended too far beyond reasonable protection to the point that it does more to hinder creativity than encourage it. It shouldn't be eliminated, but severely reduced back to expiry within a lifetime. Currently it does more to serve large organizations/properties maximizing profit with minimal input, whereas shorter copy protections would protect new creative endeavors while preventing them from cashing in for a century without making something new. |
Jan 29, 5:45 PM
#27
Reply to valico
@NS2D IP law is valuable, but it has been extended too far beyond reasonable protection to the point that it does more to hinder creativity than encourage it. It shouldn't be eliminated, but severely reduced back to expiry within a lifetime. Currently it does more to serve large organizations/properties maximizing profit with minimal input, whereas shorter copy protections would protect new creative endeavors while preventing them from cashing in for a century without making something new.
| @valico thats a good compromise to the whole delete ip law movement ye just make the ip rights expiration shorter |
Jan 29, 5:55 PM
#28
Reply to deg
@valico thats a good compromise to the whole delete ip law movement ye just make the ip rights expiration shorter
| @deg they originally were like 30 years of protection in the US, but, if I recall, corps like Disney lobbied to have them extended and now Mickey Mouse is still protected nearly a century later. |
Jan 29, 5:57 PM
#29
Jan 29, 8:51 PM
#30
Reply to krautnelson
GrumbleDango said:
don't know why the producers don't just put all their anime on Youtube for free with ads available worldwide outside Japan. That has to make more money than licensing out to middle men, right?? Maybe not idk
no, most definitely not.don't know why the producers don't just put all their anime on Youtube for free with ads available worldwide outside Japan. That has to make more money than licensing out to middle men, right?? Maybe not idk
an ad-supported view on YT is worth about $0.001 (0.1 cents).
a CR sub is $8, let's say $3 of that go to CR themselves. that leaves $5 for the rights holders. and let's say the subscriber watches 100 episodes a month, each episode would get a $0.05 share, which would make an episode viewed through a CR sub 50 times more profitable than an episode viewed on YT with ads.
even if we assume a 90% piracy rate, it still makes more sense to keep the content behind a paywall.
(also, Youtube is still a middle man. they keep almost half the ad revenue.)
| @krautnelson The flaw with your estimate is that we don't really know how Crunchyroll pays the rights holders. I've heard it's per view and I'd assume that would be an agreed upon flat rate and not a portion of the subscription fee divided by an arbitrary number. So it could be a lot closer to the Youtube ad revenue estimate than you'd think. You're also not taking into account that large entities are able to negotiate a contract with Youtube that would pay out a higher rate than what the average indie content creator gets. A company like Kadokawa for example would be valuable enough to able to do this. Also, Youtube gets massive traffic, way more than Crunchyroll and pirate sites. The views a freely available anime would get could be huge, far more than paid views and pirated views combined when you consider the extra reach the platform would provide. And if entire catalogues of anime were available in consistent high quality, it would be the ideal way to consume anime. Elevating Youtube to a "one-stop shop" for anime status would add even more to the reach. I know all of this is speculation since we don't have the numbers on any of this. And even if the anime producers did the market research and found out Youtube would be more profitable, there could still be other reasons it would not be feasible, such as contracts in place with other companies to distribute anime with them for x amount of years or something. So it might not ever happen. Except that it is already happening. This channel, "It's Anime powered by REMOW", is already using this model to offer a small selection of seasonal anime to NA and maybe some other regions. It's how I watched Watanare last year. The views on a lot of their videos are pretty dismal, so who knows if it's actually profitable for them at this point, but I'm interested to see how it turns out. There are also similar channels serving Asia like Muse Asia and Ani-One that have a ton more content (see this seasonal simulcast news post). |
Jan 29, 9:17 PM
#31
Reply to Zarutaku
Producers and their representatives always complain about piracy to maximize their profits, even if they already make large enough profits.
| @Zarutaku Facts. I bet u they barely care, they just want to make noise. But, that's the anime industry for u. |
"Hard work is worthless for those that don’t believe in themselves" - Naruto Uzumaki I rate by enjoyment |
Jan 30, 11:21 AM
#32
| This pic I made when Mangadex lost a lot of its scans to DMCAs is looking quite relevant rn (spoiler'd because beeeg) |
| Some of you never watched Bakugan Battle Brawlers on TeleToon in 2008 and it shows. |
Jan 30, 12:19 PM
#33
ForgotEyeWasHere said: Have you seen any credible "teeny tiny" numbers out there, or is this just something you want to believe because it supports your "Western Companies Bad" narrative? Because what I've seen is this:They pay a teeny tiny licensing fee, and then steal all the profits after that on the Western end for themselves. It's very cheap to import anime. While most Crunchyroll titles do pay "back-end" royalties based on how many people watch, the vast majority of the money they, or any other overseas distributor, contributes to the production is in the advance payment for the rights, also known as a "minimum guarantee." These can run from US$30,000 all the way up to US$200,000 PER EPISODE. Crunchyroll then builds in additional payments based on viewership, on top of that. Since production costs generally hover around US$275,000 per episode, this actually has the potential to outright pay for an entire production. Kurayamisenpai24 said: Japan tried this with Daisuki awhile back, but found that "The site also couldn't compete with the big money being paid by Crunchyroll, Funimation, and later Amazon for exclusive streaming rights." I think if Japan succeeds in creating a single comprehensive platform where we can get each & every Anime & Manga till date and that platform is regularly updated and maintained with currently airing titles, all this with a reasonable subscription everyone can pay, then I will willingly pay for it and I assume those will too who are fed up with western distributors thus automatically creating a direct relation between consumers and suppliers while reducing the prices by removing the third parties in between... Also, it's dubious to assume that Japan getting directly involved with foreign markets would reduce prices. Look at physical media -- Japanese domestic releases cost far more than licensed releases elsewhere, and virtually every time Japanese companies have tried to directly sell discs in overseas markets (Bandai Visual, Aniplex USA, PonyCan USA), those discs have cost considerably more than the average release by local licensees. |
Jan 30, 12:35 PM
#34
| Japanese companies need to take it easy, they remaster a game from 1627 and charge 70 dollars. |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
Jan 30, 1:53 PM
#35
| So you're telling me I can write a batch file to copy One Punch Man 3 a few hundred thousand times locally to bankrupt Bandai? |
Jan 30, 1:55 PM
#36
| Time to tap the sign: "Piracy is almost always a service problem." |
*:・゚✧*:・゚✧May the winds of change transform you entirely.*:・゚✧*:・゚✧ |
Jan 30, 1:59 PM
#37
Reply to plebrepel
So you're telling me I can write a batch file to copy One Punch Man 3 a few hundred thousand times locally to bankrupt Bandai?
| @plebrepel According to lawyers,.yes. According to reality, no. |
*:・゚✧*:・゚✧May the winds of change transform you entirely.*:・゚✧*:・゚✧ |
Jan 30, 2:35 PM
#38
Reply to Zalis
ForgotEyeWasHere said:
They pay a teeny tiny licensing fee, and then steal all the profits after that on the Western end for themselves. It's very cheap to import anime.
Have you seen any credible "teeny tiny" numbers out there, or is this just something you want to believe because it supports your "Western Companies Bad" narrative? Because what I've seen is this:They pay a teeny tiny licensing fee, and then steal all the profits after that on the Western end for themselves. It's very cheap to import anime.
While most Crunchyroll titles do pay "back-end" royalties based on how many people watch, the vast majority of the money they, or any other overseas distributor, contributes to the production is in the advance payment for the rights, also known as a "minimum guarantee." These can run from US$30,000 all the way up to US$200,000 PER EPISODE. Crunchyroll then builds in additional payments based on viewership, on top of that. Since production costs generally hover around US$275,000 per episode, this actually has the potential to outright pay for an entire production.
Kurayamisenpai24 said:
I think if Japan succeeds in creating a single comprehensive platform where we can get each & every Anime & Manga till date and that platform is regularly updated and maintained with currently airing titles, all this with a reasonable subscription everyone can pay, then I will willingly pay for it and I assume those will too who are fed up with western distributors thus automatically creating a direct relation between consumers and suppliers while reducing the prices by removing the third parties in between...
Japan tried this with Daisuki awhile back, but found that "The site also couldn't compete with the big money being paid by Crunchyroll, Funimation, and later Amazon for exclusive streaming rights." I think if Japan succeeds in creating a single comprehensive platform where we can get each & every Anime & Manga till date and that platform is regularly updated and maintained with currently airing titles, all this with a reasonable subscription everyone can pay, then I will willingly pay for it and I assume those will too who are fed up with western distributors thus automatically creating a direct relation between consumers and suppliers while reducing the prices by removing the third parties in between...
Also, it's dubious to assume that Japan getting directly involved with foreign markets would reduce prices. Look at physical media -- Japanese domestic releases cost far more than licensed releases elsewhere, and virtually every time Japanese companies have tried to directly sell discs in overseas markets (Bandai Visual, Aniplex USA, PonyCan USA), those discs have cost considerably more than the average release by local licensees.
| @Zalis Most of the time, the prices they pay are on the low end, which usually is well below $30,000 USD. Anime News Network is owned by Kadokawa, which itself is owned by Sony, who also owns Crunchyroll, so it would make sense that they would have biases in favor of Crunchyroll. Even so, Crunchyroll does not actually pay those royalties to studios they don't like. They've been sued over this. It's a bad thing that any one company gets to decide which anime studios and franchises get to live or die, like Crunchyroll does. They always pay to the big shows that are popular in the West, which ignoring shows that are popular in Japan. Crunchyroll wants to make anime appeal to Americans, while ignoring Japanese audiences. |
Jan 30, 3:44 PM
#39
Reply to Yuu_Kanzaki
How about not region lock almost everything, and make international payment available? It's so frustrating not being able to purchase something directly with my debit card and instead I have to buy some manga app coins from a local Japanese convenience store which requires a Japanese account. And you wonder why people pirate. No, official localization takes forever to come out, so that's out of the question when I want to keep up with all the manga I'm reading.
I import my manga volumes from Japan because the localized version here just isn't as good.
I import my manga volumes from Japan because the localized version here just isn't as good.
| @Yuu_Kanzaki The country always had a very protectionist politics. Most major banks will require your red stamp (anko) with your kanji family name on it. People are still used to pay a lot with cash. International transactions are very limited even to tourists and visa students. I think it's a global mentality of "no foreigners here", although on the business side of things, you can have official partnerships. I also heard from people living there, that even Japanese who expat are sometimes considered foreign. Historically, there was also the concept of being tainted (kegare) by ill-intent purists (dumb racists everywhere). You either live in Japan or you're a gaijin. When both politics and the financial world that actually run the country oppose it, what can a mere part of the cultural (anime studios or METI) do anyway? On the other hand, that's because of this protectionism that the market is booming so well. Domestic preference does have that effect. ... That makes me think that METI also forgets to mention a lot of anime goods are actually produced by China. They'll never recover from the "goods piracy" as long as the Imperial Dragon is there, as there is no copyright control over China. Empty words from politicians. |
EldinisJan 30, 4:01 PM
Jan 30, 3:52 PM
#40
Reply to ForgotEyeWasHere
@Zalis They pay a teeny tiny licensing fee, and then steal all the profits after that on the Western end for themselves. It's very cheap to import anime.
| @ForgotEyeWasHere There's not nothing more ridiculous than a moralfagging pirate. Everything you believe is false - Crunchyroll had an 8% margin last fiscal year after losing money in the two years before that, ie it performs no better than a Treasury bond with more risk. Logically, most of the money goes to royalties and most of the rest is spent on stuff like servers and advertising that a hypothetical Japanese corporation would also have had to pay for. Except, it's not a hypothetical because Crunchyroll is owned by a Japanese company. Grow some balls and admit you just don't feel like paying for anime |
Feb 1, 2:42 PM
#41
| As with any product, if you want to combat illegal trafficking, you have to make the product cheap and accessible enough that the risk versus reward for the trafficker does not even justify engaging in the activity. |
Yesterday, 7:01 PM
#42
Reply to Zalis
ForgotEyeWasHere said:
They pay a teeny tiny licensing fee, and then steal all the profits after that on the Western end for themselves. It's very cheap to import anime.
Have you seen any credible "teeny tiny" numbers out there, or is this just something you want to believe because it supports your "Western Companies Bad" narrative? Because what I've seen is this:They pay a teeny tiny licensing fee, and then steal all the profits after that on the Western end for themselves. It's very cheap to import anime.
While most Crunchyroll titles do pay "back-end" royalties based on how many people watch, the vast majority of the money they, or any other overseas distributor, contributes to the production is in the advance payment for the rights, also known as a "minimum guarantee." These can run from US$30,000 all the way up to US$200,000 PER EPISODE. Crunchyroll then builds in additional payments based on viewership, on top of that. Since production costs generally hover around US$275,000 per episode, this actually has the potential to outright pay for an entire production.
Kurayamisenpai24 said:
I think if Japan succeeds in creating a single comprehensive platform where we can get each & every Anime & Manga till date and that platform is regularly updated and maintained with currently airing titles, all this with a reasonable subscription everyone can pay, then I will willingly pay for it and I assume those will too who are fed up with western distributors thus automatically creating a direct relation between consumers and suppliers while reducing the prices by removing the third parties in between...
Japan tried this with Daisuki awhile back, but found that "The site also couldn't compete with the big money being paid by Crunchyroll, Funimation, and later Amazon for exclusive streaming rights." I think if Japan succeeds in creating a single comprehensive platform where we can get each & every Anime & Manga till date and that platform is regularly updated and maintained with currently airing titles, all this with a reasonable subscription everyone can pay, then I will willingly pay for it and I assume those will too who are fed up with western distributors thus automatically creating a direct relation between consumers and suppliers while reducing the prices by removing the third parties in between...
Also, it's dubious to assume that Japan getting directly involved with foreign markets would reduce prices. Look at physical media -- Japanese domestic releases cost far more than licensed releases elsewhere, and virtually every time Japanese companies have tried to directly sell discs in overseas markets (Bandai Visual, Aniplex USA, PonyCan USA), those discs have cost considerably more than the average release by local licensees.
| @Zalis But at the end of the day we don't have a comprehensive legal platform to watch anime that we all adore. Platforms like Netflix have a limited library And Crunchyroll like platforms still lack many titles that one is willing to watch especially old ones. I hope you can understand what I'm trying to convey 😇 |
10 hours ago
#43
ForgotEyeWasHere said: But some western licensors do produce anime tho, like Netflix and Crunchyroll, even Sentai has produced some anime...Anime sales from Western companies go to Western companies, not back to the Japanese creators. |
10 hours ago
#44
| Piracy is a crime. It's literally in the law of every country in the world. Who ever pirates any type of media is a criminal. |
10 hours ago
#45
Reply to rohan121
As a brokie I doubt I will ever stop pirating media. The cost of living only rises overtime as salaries tend to stagnate. Tariffs in the US destroyed a lot of hobbies already like beyblades and figures. Legit distribution can't save anything imo.
| @rohan121 So you would rather steal then just go for a job? Minimum wage in US is $7.25 per hour. A Crunchyroll subscription is $9.99 / month. You can literally make that up with 2 hours of work and have change left. |
10 hours ago
#46
| "Wow, imagine if all hese people who watch our stuff for free paid instead, we would be rich!" 1 - Bold of you to assume people would pay for 90% of that mid shit 2 - We all know piracy is not a threat to anything, otherwise the videogame industry would have died two decades ago 3 - You're rich already, stop being bitches and make good anime signed - someone who just dumped 250€ on 15 Ghibli blu-rays and some extras |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
10 hours ago
#47
Reply to lil_rez_vert
@rohan121 So you would rather steal then just go for a job? Minimum wage in US is $7.25 per hour. A Crunchyroll subscription is $9.99 / month. You can literally make that up with 2 hours of work and have change left.
| @lil_rez_vert Jesus christ, minimum wage in the US is absolute dogshit, what was the point of abolishing slavery and conquering the world if you're getting paid 7$/hour lmao? "People don't want to work nowadays" I wonder why when my grandpa could buy a house in 20 years of minimum wage, while it'd take me 3 centuries to do so lmao. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
3 hours ago
#48
Reply to Deathko
"Wow, imagine if all hese people who watch our stuff for free paid instead, we would be rich!"
1 - Bold of you to assume people would pay for 90% of that mid shit
2 - We all know piracy is not a threat to anything, otherwise the videogame industry would have died two decades ago
3 - You're rich already, stop being bitches and make good anime
signed - someone who just dumped 250€ on 15 Ghibli blu-rays and some extras
1 - Bold of you to assume people would pay for 90% of that mid shit
2 - We all know piracy is not a threat to anything, otherwise the videogame industry would have died two decades ago
3 - You're rich already, stop being bitches and make good anime
signed - someone who just dumped 250€ on 15 Ghibli blu-rays and some extras
| @Deathko Sadly, the Japanese love to eat up the thousandth OP Isekai loser and the same repeated school romance with copy-pasted character tropes. Which end up being the most bought novels and manga, leading to anime adaptations which consequently end up being the most bought Bluray's of that anime season, resulting in more of that stuff. At this point, I doubt the spam of those two things will ever stop. From the slop writers pov, why would they make something original if they can just copy-paste full well knowing their fellow slop enjoyers will eat it up? |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas |
3 hours ago
#49
Reply to Tropisch
@Deathko
Sadly, the Japanese love to eat up the thousandth OP Isekai loser and the same repeated school romance with copy-pasted character tropes. Which end up being the most bought novels and manga, leading to anime adaptations which consequently end up being the most bought Bluray's of that anime season, resulting in more of that stuff. At this point, I doubt the spam of those two things will ever stop. From the slop writers pov, why would they make something original if they can just copy-paste full well knowing their fellow slop enjoyers will eat it up?
Sadly, the Japanese love to eat up the thousandth OP Isekai loser and the same repeated school romance with copy-pasted character tropes. Which end up being the most bought novels and manga, leading to anime adaptations which consequently end up being the most bought Bluray's of that anime season, resulting in more of that stuff. At this point, I doubt the spam of those two things will ever stop. From the slop writers pov, why would they make something original if they can just copy-paste full well knowing their fellow slop enjoyers will eat it up?
| @Tropisch Well, they can try to put slop with dumb names like "I am a 42-yo loser otaku and turned a girl into a roll cake with my new powers before eating her!?" on western shelves, see how much money westerners who pirate that garbage on their phones while running two hours on a threadmill are willing to spend to watch it on blu-ray. My bet is, not much. But good luck, anime CEO-kun! |
Deathko2 hours ago
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
2 hours ago
#50
| They could start by not keeping beloved classic series that haven't seen the sun in decades under lock & key and actually let companies (especially American ones) license them. And they shouldn't have let that "abandonware" bill essentially die. |
| "You can't decide the future, but I'm going to re-educate you in the past!" - Erna Kurtz |
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