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"art is subjective and open to multiple interpretation" do you believe this is true ? if so, how come the idea of "mischaracterisation" even come from ?

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art is subjective and open to multiple interpretations depending on the viewer, art is meant to resonate to different people in different manner but what happens when someone's interpretation mischaracterises or wrongly understands a character, story or etc.

there are many but one example that come to my mind right now is Denji and how he has been seen as the "pervert loser" in most of viewers eyes when he is the biggest victim of gr**ming and had a backstory indefinitely jarring. How do we boil down such complex characters to such simple tropes ?


One of the biggest offender of this is American Psycho, how it's a story about the horror of hypermasculine lifestyle and people think of its as something aspirational rather than terrifying.






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Everyone interprets the world at large differently, how could we expect everyone to agree on something as personal as art?

One of my favorite aspects of creating music was listening to the various kinds of responses people had to it. Parents would tell me their kids would dance to it, some people said they felt sad listening to it, some said they felt calm... All were valid, music was just an expression - a way to let something out. (It was instrumental, classical, ambient music I made, but I experimented with a lot of genres)

I think everyone's individual interpretations of all forms of art are valid and worth exploring. The creation and appreciation (or not) of art is intrinsic to one's humanity, I don't think it would be fair to deny anyone their expression of self by delegating how they should or should not feel about art.

Whether someone has a simple reaction or a complex reaction is irrelevant, so long as it's a genuine reaction.
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Personally, I enjoy reading others' opinions about something I really liked. It helps me see different perspectives and, somehow, even enjoy the show a lot more when I find something I hadn't thought of the first time I watched it...

Still, I have to say it really reflects a person's way of seeing life. I think sometimes, if you mischaracterize characters such as Denji, it may be because you don't see those facades of people in real life, for example, dismissing any abuse of some kind just because in the show it wasn't explicit enough, or because the character didn't knew how to take it.

It can really reflect the way we take art may be the way life is for us
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art is "mostly" subjective but not "always" so there is some level of objectiveness involve there including characterization like cultural references of characters
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Lmao, the reason Denji is labelled as some perverted loser is because the author wants so. Chainsaw Man was never a character driven story, so expecting an mc of an action slop getting treated like some deeply thought-out character is so out of touch. That is the same reason Akame Ga Kill is treated as an edgy story who loves to kill off its characters instead of a brilliant story featuring a revolution where its characters died martyrs. The same reason Rudeus' pervertedness is received very differently as compared to Denji's, because it is a part of his redemption, or atleast its said to be. You can't expect the same from the story which relies on huge fights and events only there for shock value as the few meaningful moments which its readers read for.

And for your other question, yes art is hugely subjective. On first glance Guernica by Pablo Picasso might appear good at best for an average person, but if one knows the meaning the painting is trying to convey, its impact, the philosophy and thinking Picasso had while making it, his/her thoughts will surely change regarding the painting.
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ame said:
art is subjective and open to multiple interpretations depending on the viewer, art is meant to resonate to different people in different manner but what happens when someone's interpretation mischaracterises or wrongly understands a character, story or etc.

Mischaracterization or incorrect understandings are really just shorthand for "not the consensus". As long as someone isn't getting facts wrong, they aren't "incorrect" about really anything. Or, perhaps, it's people using subconscious selective interpretation based on what parts of a work land most strongly with them. Your Denji example might look like people are getting facts wrong, but it might actually just be that their memory of his backstory is not top of mind when thinking about his behavior.

So, when you say:
ame said:
How do we boil down such complex characters to such simple tropes ?

The answer is likely as simple as, "That's the way the complex characters are most frequently characterized, and their complexity is only evident in sparing moments." So people remember Denji's frequent pervert loser moments, and the short backstory sequence of him being groomed was a one-time flashback that could easily be forgotten or missed.
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Your appreciation of the art might be subjective, but that doesn't mean the content of the art is subjective, unless the creator intends it to be.
ie If there is a story about a protagonist who goes from point A to B, him going from A to B is not subjective or open to interpretation. However, what you think of his journey or how it resonates with you is subjective. If we aren't told why the character went on this journey or what his goals are, then the meaning of his journey would become open for interpretation based on what we are shown throughout the story. It really depends on the context of what it is.
But "art is subjective" isn't a blanket statement for you to form your own headcanon of what is going on when it clashes with information given or what the author means.
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Art CAN be subjective, but not totally subjective. Things that happen in a story, happen in that story; things that are said in a story, are said in that story. Literature can be subjective because different people understand language differently from others or have a unique perspective. A common example of this are "queer readings" of stories which usually involve a queer reader relating to a character in a way that the author probably didn't originally intend. There are also people who deconstruct the author's language and deeply analyze stories in order to find hidden meanings and assumptions that the author often likely did not intend to write. Some people understand writing from a "death of the author" perspective where the author and their intentions have no authority over how a story should be interpreted at all, however this approach is often misunderstood because this view gives authority to the "text", not purely subjective reader opinion.

The point being: if a person's read on a story or a character is contradicted by the story it would typically be considered a misreading or if they are unable to identify things like irony (text contradicting text) in a story.

With Denji, for example, some people might mischaracterize him as typical pervert character but this aspect of his character is made ironic when Denji touches Power's boobs and feels dissatisfied and unsure of what he really desires.
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All interpretations are valid, but some interpretations are more valid than others. Namely, my interpretations.

More seriously: I try to think of "misinterpretations" as "less-convincing interpretations." And by "less-convincing," I guess I mean less-convincing to me, but I also try to keep an open mind towards the majority opinion.

Regarding Denji, I don't think it's a "misinterpretation" to call him a pervert loser. He IS one. The main issue seems to be whether one can accept the fact that he's a pervert loser, without immediately getting annoyed by him.
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op: art is subjective and open to interpretations
op: people who say denji is a pervert loser are wrong, they are shallow and know nothing, only I know the truth

excellent post, have you ever thought that denji can be both in the same time?

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